Subliminal Talk

Can't take a guy named Jay diesel seriously

Quote:He said good things about both AM5 and AM6 in the link Dzemoo posted, but then he says they don't work and stops COMPLETELY! I don't understand why stop listening to anything? He reported results, so he can't bee 100% sure subs don't work for him, so why not leave AM (refresher) or ASC, OGSF, something playing for 2 hours a day forever? Just reeks of frustration and slamming doors to me.

What I said in my post without expanding too much on his behaviour explains this perfectly. It's just him trying to cause an issue after being caught out.

(04-17-2016, 05:10 AM)LionKing Wrote: [ -> ]He said good things about both AM5 and AM6 in the link Dzemoo posted, but then he says they don't work and stops COMPLETELY! I don't understand why stop listening to anything? He reported results, so he can't bee 100% sure subs don't work for him, so why not leave AM (refresher) or ASC, OGSF, something playing for 2 hours a day forever? Just reeks of frustration and slamming doors to me.

He's an affiliate marketer. 90% of them are shady. How do I know? Well -- I'm also an affiliate marketer. I own a number of profitable affiliate sites. The difference is, I've significantly tested every product and I give honest recommendations and reviews. IML's lack of an affiliate program is exactly why I haven't made an affiliate site promoting subliminals. I refuse to promote subpar products just to make a buck.

I'm guessing he gave these good reviews when IML's affiliate program was up. When they took it down, he changed all the reviews to negative and will eventually start promoting other products.

(04-17-2016, 05:36 PM)chaosvrgn Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-17-2016, 05:10 AM)LionKing Wrote: [ -> ]He said good things about both AM5 and AM6 in the link Dzemoo posted, but then he says they don't work and stops COMPLETELY! I don't understand why stop listening to anything? He reported results, so he can't bee 100% sure subs don't work for him, so why not leave AM (refresher) or ASC, OGSF, something playing for 2 hours a day forever? Just reeks of frustration and slamming doors to me.

He's an affiliate marketer. 90% of them are shady. How do I know? Well -- I'm also an affiliate marketer. I own a number of profitable affiliate sites. The difference is, I've significantly tested every product and I give honest recommendations and reviews. IML's lack of an affiliate program is exactly why I haven't made an affiliate site promoting subliminals. I refuse to promote subpar products just to make a buck.

I'm guessing he gave these good reviews when IML's affiliate program was up. When they took it down, he changed all the reviews to negative and will eventually start promoting other products.

If memory serves, it was Jay Deisel who scammed us so badly that we shut down the affiliate system. So you have to consider the source.

Also, I can explain his complaints, and in a single word. In fact I have already explained why some people seem to get no results many times: FEAR.

If you want to jump from one roof to another, but you're afraid of heights, is watching someone else do it successfully going to make you jump? Probably not. Is it going to do anything for me to tell you, "Hey, man, all you have to do is get a good running start and jump right here."? No. Those fears will still prevent you from jumping.

Now if that is true, is it my fault that you didn't get across because I told you how to do it and you succumbed to fear instead? Is it the fault of the builder of the two buildings because of how the distance between them has made you afraid to jump? Of course not. The reason you didn't make it across is because you ignored the instructions and refused to try!

So basically what happens is, these guys get a set of instructions and listen to it, and then they react with fear and refuse to act and try and of course then they fail. And it's easy to blame the subliminal because "it was supposed to do this and this", but really, the choice was theirs what to do in response to their fears. The program is just a set of instructions. You have to accept and act on those instructions to get the desired results.

And what is listed in the sales page as to what it's designed to do? That's not a guarantee that every person will absolutely achieve those results, it's just a description of what it's designed to do! Again, you have to accept the instructions and act on them.

5G being too much for the mind is preposterous and ignorant, especially considering what you guys have seen EHPRA 2.0 doing, which makes 5G standard look like a joke for "words per second". What we have here is someone who's not really well educated on what's going on, who thinks they are. And they open their mouth about it.

Of course people being how they are, anyone says anything negative and everyone assumes it's true. Say anything positive, and people assume it's delusion or marketing. So there seems to be some bias here in that direction too.

So a big part of what I have been working on in 6G is dealing with the fears that make people resist. And as you can see with EHPRA 2.0, which only uses a small handful of the entire 6G technology set, it works. Future versions will be much more powerful and effective because of that. But building these will take time.

And please guys, in the future, consider the source and remember that just because someone said something that doesn't make it true, or false. Think for yourselves, please.

he replied to some of my questions:

AM6 I had a STRONG drive to workout, more than ever before. That's all I can say it did for me, positively. I hired a legit bodybuilding-personal trainer, started taking "steroids" (test-e @ 500mg/week) and got jacked. I got more attention from females and felt better about myself than EVER before. But hey, everyone is different. Was AM6 to thank for that? Maybe, but I ended up dropping subs around stage 5. I grew tired of the typical lethargic side effects from subs.



"doing really think running no subs is better than running subs? and why you dont run the old multistages?"



Yes, because I now believe the problem isn't creating new beliefs. The problem is removing the resistance that holds you back. Subs don't clear resistance, they can't it's too personal. They probably just add to it. Meditation, PSTEC or Aspectics all do wonders for resistance. Clear the resistance and you won't have to worry about subs again. You'll effortlessly be taking action towards doing the things you want to do.



I don't run the old multistages because looking back I feel the changes I made were so minimal. It's not worth the anger and fatigue I always felt (minus AM5 for the most part). Looking back, I wish I would have just pushed myself to take action and meditate 20 minutes twice a day. If I would have done that I would have never needed subs.



Quite frankly, a HUGE concerning factor for me is Shannon. Read his journal. Not even he can make subs work for himself. He always HYPES up new subs, but once people use them the reports aren't that great. I used to LOVE subs, but as we grow older we're able to look back on the past and see our flaws. Those that make AM work, are those that never had much resistance in the first place. Those that have run staged subs many times, such as myself, and don't get very far have a resistance issue.



I'm not just basing my information off of my experience or reports I read online. I basing my information off of my very similar experiences to those of my real-life friends.



Focus on dealing with the resistance, everything else will fall into place

OF, OGSF, EPRHA2

"Also SM3 is garbage, it has a track record for making sure you do NOT get laid."

Ask him to explain that, it would be more fun to him I'm sure

Translation...

Quote:Jay Diesel - Quite frankly, a HUGE concerning factor for me is that I tried to scam money from IML and they didn't let me, how dare they. I used to LOVE scamming people for money, but as we scam for longer we're able to get caught for being dodgy but won't admit it see our flaws. Those that have probably scammed people for money, such as myself, get upset and don't get very far after they get caught because they have an issue.

That guy is full crap. Subs do work , because positivity is being constantly poured into your mind. I was getting insane results in 1G or 2G whatever the sub was. I once had about 90% could be more or less, just an estimate of women trying to hook up with me at bar. How do i know ? Studying pickup , body language you learn a thing or too. How do i know AM works? When everyone around you acts paranoid and afraid and you can read into it, you just know. If a sub doesn't work for you , you probably need to run OF. The reason I seen WM as being matched with SM Is the OF. Different technology but one has OF , and the other as far as I know doesnt.

(04-20-2016, 02:03 AM)Dzemoo Wrote: [ -> ]he replied to some of my questions:

AM6 I had a STRONG drive to workout, more than ever before. That's all I can say it did for me, positively. I hired a legit bodybuilding-personal trainer, started taking "steroids" (test-e @ 500mg/week) and got jacked. I got more attention from females and felt better about myself than EVER before. But hey, everyone is different. Was AM6 to thank for that? Maybe, but I ended up dropping subs around stage 5. I grew tired of the typical lethargic side effects from subs.

So we have someone here who was using the program, probably too much hours in a day, and got tired. Then he disregarded the instructions, and stopped before he was finished using the program. And if he is the scammer who shut down our affiliat system, I have to seriously wonder if he was using a legal copy. So that is what, three strikes against his credibility.

Quote:"doing really think running no subs is better than running subs? and why you dont run the old multistages?"

Yes, because I now believe the problem isn't creating new beliefs. The problem is removing the resistance that holds you back. Subs don't clear resistance, they can't it's too personal. They probably just add to it. Meditation, PSTEC or Aspectics all do wonders for resistance. Clear the resistance and you won't have to worry about subs again. You'll effortlessly be taking action towards doing the things you want to do.

So suddeny this guy is the expert and has all the answers as to what the issue is and is not. Which doubtless explains why he needs to scam people as an affiliate marketer.

He is right when he says that removing resistance that holds you back is the problem. He is also wrong when he says that subs can't clear resistance. The issue with that is that nobody has ever done what I am doing with subs. So naturally, I am pioneering the field and I am learning what needs to be done and how to do it as I go along. The first step was creating something powerful enough to trigger resistance. The second step was learning that you can't bulldoze resistance. The third step was figuring out how to deal with resistance effectively. 5G started off as an attempt to bulldoze. That doesn't work. So for a long time now, 5G has been using methods of persuasion instead. But while persuasion does work, it takes time if you're not dealing with fear in the right ways - which also took me time to lear and understand how to do.

Clearing resistance requires clearing the fears that cause the resistance, and there are other ways to do that than subliminals. But if you want to see where my understanding is now, just take a look at EHPRA 2.0.

I'm not sure I believe that the other methods can clear the root causes of the resistance as quickly or effectively as the methods I use in EHPRA 2.0, if truly they are able to clear them at all.

Quote:I don't run the old multistages because looking back I feel the changes I made were so minimal. It's not worth the anger and fatigue I always felt (minus AM5 for the most part). Looking back, I wish I would have just pushed myself to take action and meditate 20 minutes twice a day. If I would have done that I would have never needed subs.

When you refuse to cooperate, you don't get results. I think we have all figured that one out. But good luck getting the same or better results pushing yourself and meditating 20 minutes a day.

Quote:Quite frankly, a HUGE concerning factor for me is Shannon. Read his journal. Not even he can make subs work for himself. He always HYPES up new subs, but once people use them the reports aren't that great. I used to LOVE subs, but as we grow older we're able to look back on the past and see our flaws. Those that make AM work, are those that never had much resistance in the first place. Those that have run staged subs many times, such as myself, and don't get very far have a resistance issue.

This just makes me laugh. I was a social phobic agorophobic hopeless helpless beta wreck before I started using my own subs. I couldn't go to a restaurant without someone else. Leaving my own bedroom was challenging. Getting the mail was terrifying. And forget standing up for myself to anyone. I could not possibly have started this business, or made it succeed, without success with my own subs. And I seriously question how we could have stayed in business if they don't work.

He used to LOVE subs, but then we caught him scamming us, and well, sour grapes and all that. Now he's going to do what he can to deteriorate the bottom line, since we wouldn't let him do it by scamming us. But again, he's right when he says that those people who refuse to cooperate with the script of suggestions that the subliminal is made up of, don't get as good results as those who do cooperate. He's refused to copperate, and he didn't get the results he wanted. It must be my fault that he didn't cooperate with the suggestions in the script and execute them.

Quote:I'm not just basing my information off of my experience or reports I read online. I basing my information off of my very similar experiences to those of my real-life friends.

Focus on dealing with the resistance, everything else will fall into place

He's also skewing what he says. But that's okay, because the truth will out. Those people who use the prgrams correctly, and according to the instructions, and who face the challenges and deal with them instead of hiding from them, they get good results. Those people who refuse to cooperate and try to hide from growth, they won't.

And as for the focusing on dealing with resistance, that's exactly what I did with 5.5 and 6G.

Look, Dzemoo, if you want to follow this guy's beliefs, go follow them. But don't expect me to keep letting you post crap like this on the forums. I don't have time to both explain his logical fallacies to reveal where he's just being manipulative, and do the job I have to do. Hell, I don't even have the time to do the job I have to do. So please stop posting his opinions here. If you want those you can go talk to him. He is, after all, the scammer who shut down our affiliate system by trying to scam us so badly. I mean, right there he's lost any credibility with me. The rest is just poison and vitrol. Please stop beating a dead horse.

Quote:Yes, because I now believe the problem isn't creating new beliefs. The problem is removing the resistance that holds you back. Subs don't clear resistance, they can't it's too personal. They probably just add to it. Meditation, PSTEC or Aspectics all do wonders for resistance. Clear the resistance and you won't have to worry about subs again. You'll effortlessly be taking action towards doing the things you want to do.

The problem I found is that these other methods may help you feel 'better' when you have resistance but at the same time they clear out alot of what the subliminal is doing. My mind sends me to other methods when i'm feeling it the most and consistently the same thing has happened and I realize after it wasn't a good idea when the next day manifestations or magnetism I was showing disappears after doing other methods.

I'm quite shocked about it too! And kinda mad, actually!
:@
I see subs and hypnosis as "an experiment" whenever i use them, though I DO tend to get results from both. But I see them as a tool that i can try out and definitely as something I can benefit from, even if I don't get the result I want from the relationship one, (and I might! it's early days and it's a process and a learning curve and I'm enjoying the journey regardless, and grateful for the growth from the sub!) I still see it as a learning tool and I'm grateful to have the chance to explore it! I approach them mostly from a "let's try this out and see what happens" viewpoint on the whole and it's fun! And - as I've shared on the forum - so far I HAVE had positive changes from this subliminal AND from other ones I've used from here!

But also, although I don't read many of the men subs & sex magnet ones, I've read enough here of them to know that guys HAVE been laid through it! And I believe subs can definitely used to attract sex!

But also I think WITH sex (as with many things) if it becomes like "I have to get laid, why aren't I getting laid?" yes that CAN work against you!

Anyway, I think that it's an incredibly douche-y thing to use someone's platform as a way to try to affiliate market ANOTHER person's products. Out of order!

Sorry to hear this dickwad is being a pain.
And, also really, how DEAR he say crappy things about Shannon, esp on Shannon's own forum grrrrrrrrrrrrrr :@

Anyway, from what i HAVE read, tons of guys HAVE had great results from the SM and the AM programs and are you gonna listen to some rat-brain tool who CLEARLY has an agenda?! I know I'M NOT and I appreciate the time and energy and everything you put into the subliminals, Shannon, thank you yet again for all that you do! Appreciating the heck out of you, not that you need my seal of approval, but you have it anyway!

That's all I have to say about THAT!

(04-21-2016, 05:50 PM)Benjamin Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:Yes, because I now believe the problem isn't creating new beliefs. The problem is removing the resistance that holds you back. Subs don't clear resistance, they can't it's too personal. They probably just add to it. Meditation, PSTEC or Aspectics all do wonders for resistance. Clear the resistance and you won't have to worry about subs again. You'll effortlessly be taking action towards doing the things you want to do.

The problem I found is that these other methods may help you feel 'better' when you have resistance but at the same time they clear out alot of what the subliminal is doing. My mind sends me to other methods when i'm feeling it the most and consistently the same thing has happened and I realize after it wasn't a good idea when the next day manifestations or magnetism I was showing disappears after doing other methods.

Had pretty much the same experience. That's why I also stopped doing ANYTHING else along with subs long time ago.

Saying this, these subs gave me more results than anything else I have tried before, so I don't care about people saying they don't work.

Quote:And, also really, how DEAR he say crappy things about Shannon, esp on Shannon's own forum

It's not Dzemoo, he's quoting stuff from another guy who scammed the affiliate system and isn't here anymore. But I don't know why Dzemoo is pushing it so much.

Why are you feeling the need to post all of this Dzemoo? Anyway Shannon said it better than I can.