Subliminal Talk

So I am curious, I would like to try this stuff out. I am newbie when it comes to pheromones, I am trying to decide on Alpha Treasures or Captain? Which one should I get?

(03-26-2016, 09:16 AM)spiritman Wrote: [ -> ]So I am curious, I would like to try this stuff out. I am newbie when it comes to pheromones, I am trying to decide on Alpha Treasures or Captain? Which one should I get?

I choose both , if I were you and I planned on ordering one alone I would do alpha treasures ; considering it's on sale and it's more expensive.

(03-25-2016, 09:49 AM)Alpha360 Wrote: [ -> ]It seems to add to the vibe and sometimes not. It's hard to know for sure but it seems to help. Maybe some phero are not good with it though.

It's safer to only wear some Aventus perfume :p

Once AM6 start to show some real effect you won't need any phero, when I was on stage 5 AM6 the effect was much better than any phero I tested. 1 second was enough for a girl to know that I was different.

Aventus? Seriously? I am astonished that anyone would even like Aventus, never mind pay their insane prices for it. From the bottle, and on skin, it smells like an ashtray ate a pineapple, and the pineapple didn't help with fresh breath much.

I have Aventus. Nobody I know likes it, on me or from the bottle. Including me.

You have a bad batch Shannon seriously

I use a version sold by thefragranceshop that cost me 5$, it's an oil. I didn't wear it much but a woman I know told me she like the scent and she is not the kind of woman who says nice thing usually. I don't see this perfume as extraordinary though, it's a nice scent.

I will never buy the original at the price they sell it.

I have a hard time believing no one you met like Aventus though, maybe it doesn't agree with your skin, did you try on someone else? or maybe a bad batch, at the price they sell the stuff it's crazy a bad batch can exist

By the way I only mention Aventus because this guy called himself "Aventus45"

I have a shitload of pheros that I need to sell, My most consistent collections comes from Phero tresaures. I agree with the other poster saying PXS is inconsistent

I just purchased Voodoo from LAL. From what I have read, Voodoo sounds like a fun mone to play with.

(03-26-2016, 11:07 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-25-2016, 09:49 AM)Alpha360 Wrote: [ -> ]It seems to add to the vibe and sometimes not. It's hard to know for sure but it seems to help. Maybe some phero are not good with it though.

It's safer to only wear some Aventus perfume :p

Once AM6 start to show some real effect you won't need any phero, when I was on stage 5 AM6 the effect was much better than any phero I tested. 1 second was enough for a girl to know that I was different.

Aventus? Seriously? I am astonished that anyone would even like Aventus, never mind pay their insane prices for it. From the bottle, and on skin, it smells like an ashtray ate a pineapple, and the pineapple didn't help with fresh breath much.

I have Aventus. Nobody I know likes it, on me or from the bottle. Including me.

I love adventus but the only thing I hate is the stupid batch variations.

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(03-28-2016, 10:09 AM)Aventus45 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-26-2016, 11:07 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-25-2016, 09:49 AM)Alpha360 Wrote: [ -> ]It seems to add to the vibe and sometimes not. It's hard to know for sure but it seems to help. Maybe some phero are not good with it though.

It's safer to only wear some Aventus perfume :p

Once AM6 start to show some real effect you won't need any phero, when I was on stage 5 AM6 the effect was much better than any phero I tested. 1 second was enough for a girl to know that I was different.

Aventus? Seriously? I am astonished that anyone would even like Aventus, never mind pay their insane prices for it. From the bottle, and on skin, it smells like an ashtray ate a pineapple, and the pineapple didn't help with fresh breath much.

I have Aventus. Nobody I know likes it, on me or from the bottle. Including me.

I love adventus but the only thing I hate is the stupid batch variations.

I personally - as a perfumery student - find the "batch variations" story hard to believe, and here's why.

I have tried to re-create a number of their fragrances, sometimes with very good results. I don't claim to be perfect, or even really good at creating such high end fragrances yet, partly because I don't have all the experience yet and partly because so far some of the ingredients have escaped my budgetary constraints - notably, genuine ambergris.

That said, batch variations can only come from two things:

1. Using natural ingredients, and
2. Poor batch consistency (crappy quality control).

Creed, of course, would have us believe that it's all because of their use of high end exclusive natural ingredients. But I personally have concluded that this is a line of bullsh*t and mainly marketing, because of the following two facts:

• Every time - with the exception of Virgin Island Water - that I have attempted to re-create one of their scents, mine are inevitably a different color. Mine are almost always yellow, or greenish yellow and theirs are almost always clear. What's the difference? I am actually using natural ingredients! Real citrus oils. Real violet leaf absolute. Real natural un-altered oakmoss. Real sandalwood oil. Real vetiver. Real tobacco absolute. Real labdanum. Real galbanum. There is only one substance that you can get that can be both natural and de-colorized, and that is labdanum. There is absolutely NO WAY they could be using naturals if they are getting results that are clear in 9 cases out of 10 when mine are some shade of yellow.
  
• They are constrained to follow the ridiculous IRFA regulations on fragrance materials they are allowed to use, and how much. This means that in many cases, they literally are not allowed by law to use naturals, or "full unadulterated naturals". For example, oakmoss. Real oakmoss has in it a substance that is allergenic to ome 1% or less of the population, and you can get synthetic oakmoss without it (total crap) and natural oakmoss that has had this substance removed. In neither case do the results come close to using the full natural unadulterated oakmoss. The same is true of many of their primary ingredients, such a bergamot. Therefore, they absolutely cannot be formulating their stuff using as much natural material, or in many cases, unadulterated natural materials, as they would have us believe.
  

The result is, logically, that they are having a much smaller issue with "batch variations" because they use natural ingedients and much more likely because they have very lax quality control.

I have had three bottles of Green Irish Tweed. The first one smelled so strongly of amgergris, salt and whale that I could not wear it. The second was very bright, fresh and beautiful. The third is just as bad as the first. Now I understand that natural ambergris changes from batch to batch, but you're going to tell me that, knowing this, they cannot tweak the forumla for maximum consistency between batches?

I call BS. That's part of why I'm working on creating my own fragrances inspired by Creeds that I like, but which will be using real naturals, and will (hopefully) be better and more consistent.

I was shocked to find that Insurrection Pure II, a $30 knock-off, smells and performs better for me and my friends than the samples I have of Aventus.

Thanks for the clarification and the knowledge. I'm eager to test your natural perfume.

I have a theory that the IRFA regulations seems to be working against the perfume company when in fact they are helping them to make more profit. Because they can't use natural and have a legitimate reason. That would mean the perfume company prefer that those regulation exist, this way they can make more profit and they have an excuse if the customer complain.

(03-29-2016, 07:44 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-28-2016, 10:09 AM)Aventus45 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-26-2016, 11:07 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-25-2016, 09:49 AM)Alpha360 Wrote: [ -> ]It seems to add to the vibe and sometimes not. It's hard to know for sure but it seems to help. Maybe some phero are not good with it though.

It's safer to only wear some Aventus perfume :p

Once AM6 start to show some real effect you won't need any phero, when I was on stage 5 AM6 the effect was much better than any phero I tested. 1 second was enough for a girl to know that I was different.

Aventus? Seriously? I am astonished that anyone would even like Aventus, never mind pay their insane prices for it. From the bottle, and on skin, it smells like an ashtray ate a pineapple, and the pineapple didn't help with fresh breath much.

I have Aventus. Nobody I know likes it, on me or from the bottle. Including me.

I love adventus but the only thing I hate is the stupid batch variations.

I personally - as a perfumery student - find the "batch variations" story hard to believe, and here's why.

I have tried to re-create a number of their fragrances, sometimes with very good results. I don't claim to be perfect, or even really good at creating such high end fragrances yet, partly because I don't have all the experience yet and partly because so far some of the ingredients have escaped my budgetary constraints - notably, genuine ambergris.

That said, batch variations can only come from two things:

1. Using natural ingredients, and
2. Poor batch consistency (crappy quality control).

Creed, of course, would have us believe that it's all because of their use of high end exclusive natural ingredients. But I personally have concluded that this is a line of bullsh*t and mainly marketing, because of the following two facts:

• Every time - with the exception of Virgin Island Water - that I have attempted to re-create one of their scents, mine are inevitably a different color. Mine are almost always yellow, or greenish yellow and theirs are almost always clear. What's the difference? I am actually using natural ingredients! Real citrus oils. Real violet leaf absolute. Real natural un-altered oakmoss. Real sandalwood oil. Real vetiver. Real tobacco absolute. Real labdanum. Real galbanum. There is only one substance that you can get that can be both natural and de-colorized, and that is labdanum. There is absolutely NO WAY they could be using naturals if they are getting results that are clear in 9 cases out of 10 when mine are some shade of yellow.
  
• They are constrained to follow the ridiculous IRFA regulations on fragrance materials they are allowed to use, and how much. This means that in many cases, they literally are not allowed by law to use naturals, or "full unadulterated naturals". For example, oakmoss. Real oakmoss has in it a substance that is allergenic to ome 1% or less of the population, and you can get synthetic oakmoss without it (total crap) and natural oakmoss that has had this substance removed. In neither case do the results come close to using the full natural unadulterated oakmoss. The same is true of many of their primary ingredients, such a bergamot. Therefore, they absolutely cannot be formulating their stuff using as much natural material, or in many cases, unadulterated natural materials, as they would have us believe.
  

The result is, logically, that they are having a much smaller issue with "batch variations" because they use natural ingedients and much more likely because they have very lax quality control.

I have had three bottles of Green Irish Tweed. The first one smelled so strongly of amgergris, salt and whale that I could not wear it. The second was very bright, fresh and beautiful. The third is just as bad as the first. Now I understand that natural ambergris changes from batch to batch, but you're going to tell me that, knowing this, they cannot tweak the forumla for maximum consistency between batches?

I call BS. That's part of why I'm working on creating my own fragrances inspired by Creeds that I like, but which will be using real naturals, and will (hopefully) be better and more consistent.

I was shocked to find that Insurrection Pure II, a $30 knock-off, smells and performs better for me and my friends than the samples I have of Aventus.

Thank you for your insight of cologne.
Are you going to sell your inspired by creed line?

(03-29-2016, 09:49 AM)Aventus45 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-29-2016, 07:44 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-28-2016, 10:09 AM)Aventus45 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-26-2016, 11:07 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-25-2016, 09:49 AM)Alpha360 Wrote: [ -> ]It seems to add to the vibe and sometimes not. It's hard to know for sure but it seems to help. Maybe some phero are not good with it though.

It's safer to only wear some Aventus perfume :p

Once AM6 start to show some real effect you won't need any phero, when I was on stage 5 AM6 the effect was much better than any phero I tested. 1 second was enough for a girl to know that I was different.

Aventus? Seriously? I am astonished that anyone would even like Aventus, never mind pay their insane prices for it. From the bottle, and on skin, it smells like an ashtray ate a pineapple, and the pineapple didn't help with fresh breath much.

I have Aventus. Nobody I know likes it, on me or from the bottle. Including me.

I love adventus but the only thing I hate is the stupid batch variations.

I personally - as a perfumery student - find the "batch variations" story hard to believe, and here's why.

I have tried to re-create a number of their fragrances, sometimes with very good results. I don't claim to be perfect, or even really good at creating such high end fragrances yet, partly because I don't have all the experience yet and partly because so far some of the ingredients have escaped my budgetary constraints - notably, genuine ambergris.

That said, batch variations can only come from two things:

1. Using natural ingredients, and
2. Poor batch consistency (crappy quality control).

Creed, of course, would have us believe that it's all because of their use of high end exclusive natural ingredients. But I personally have concluded that this is a line of bullsh*t and mainly marketing, because of the following two facts:

• Every time - with the exception of Virgin Island Water - that I have attempted to re-create one of their scents, mine are inevitably a different color. Mine are almost always yellow, or greenish yellow and theirs are almost always clear. What's the difference? I am actually using natural ingredients! Real citrus oils. Real violet leaf absolute. Real natural un-altered oakmoss. Real sandalwood oil. Real vetiver. Real tobacco absolute. Real labdanum. Real galbanum. There is only one substance that you can get that can be both natural and de-colorized, and that is labdanum. There is absolutely NO WAY they could be using naturals if they are getting results that are clear in 9 cases out of 10 when mine are some shade of yellow.
  
• They are constrained to follow the ridiculous IRFA regulations on fragrance materials they are allowed to use, and how much. This means that in many cases, they literally are not allowed by law to use naturals, or "full unadulterated naturals". For example, oakmoss. Real oakmoss has in it a substance that is allergenic to ome 1% or less of the population, and you can get synthetic oakmoss without it (total crap) and natural oakmoss that has had this substance removed. In neither case do the results come close to using the full natural unadulterated oakmoss. The same is true of many of their primary ingredients, such a bergamot. Therefore, they absolutely cannot be formulating their stuff using as much natural material, or in many cases, unadulterated natural materials, as they would have us believe.
  

The result is, logically, that they are having a much smaller issue with "batch variations" because they use natural ingedients and much more likely because they have very lax quality control.

I have had three bottles of Green Irish Tweed. The first one smelled so strongly of amgergris, salt and whale that I could not wear it. The second was very bright, fresh and beautiful. The third is just as bad as the first. Now I understand that natural ambergris changes from batch to batch, but you're going to tell me that, knowing this, they cannot tweak the forumla for maximum consistency between batches?

I call BS. That's part of why I'm working on creating my own fragrances inspired by Creeds that I like, but which will be using real naturals, and will (hopefully) be better and more consistent.

I was shocked to find that Insurrection Pure II, a $30 knock-off, smells and performs better for me and my friends than the samples I have of Aventus.

Thank you for your insight of cologne.
Are you going to sell your inspired by creed line?

If I can make them succeed in both smelling and performing to my expectstions, probably. I have already had several bottles of the (unfinished) replication of Silver Mountain Water sell to people who basically would not hear that it was not yet finished. #10f is what they have been buying, and it is nowhere near the refinement or subtlety of SMW, but for them (a couple who used to sell Creeds, amusingly enough) it is significantly superior. I'm not happy with it yet, and I will not release it to the general public unless and until I am.

Paradise is my attempt to improve on Virgin Island Water, and I have created close to 200 variants of the formula. #186 and #187 are very close to what I had in mind, but not yet finished. I have a few more things to try, and then I have to make sure that it is at the right concentration and lasts long enough without blasting you in the beginning.

My attempt to create a version of Green Irish Tweed that is fresh and bright and beautiful without making me smell like a whale swallowed me is at #29, and still not balanced to even close to my satisfaction; the green aspects need better balance, but I'm still contemplaying how best to do that.

And my take on Imperial Santal is called Tonka Santal Imperial, and it is a very challenging mix that smells amazing, but as yet has very poor longevity. I'm trying to retain the longevity without killing how it smells. That one will be a while.

I have not even started on figuring out the pineapple accord for my answer to Aventus yet. And while I think the House of Creed is full of it in a lot of ways, I have learned a lot from attempting to reconstruct and improve on their work, and I have learned to respect their perfumers a lot more than I did in the beginning.