Subliminal Talk

1200$, AM7 would have to be extraordinary much more powerful then. How much a single stage 6G is going to cost?

If someone by AM7 + WM3 that would be 2400$. We don't know powerful 6G is yet but it will have to be extraordinary powerful to be sold at that price. It's a good thing if it is that powerful though.
Let's see if it is. I don't think Shannon is crazy so let's see how it is going to be. But at that price I'm certainly not going to buy it before someone test it before me.

(02-04-2016, 09:15 PM)Alpha360 Wrote: [ -> ]1200$, AM7 would have to be extraordinary much more powerful then. How much a single stage 6G is going to cost?

If someone by AM7 + WM3 that would be 2400$. We don't know powerful 6G is yet but it will have to be extraordinary powerful to be sold at that price. It's a good thing if it is that powerful though.
Let's see if it is. I don't think Shannon is crazy so let's see how it is going to be. But at that price I'm certainly not going to buy it before someone test it before me.

Me too, someone has to get insane results in order for me to buy it, and or asc 6g has to convince me that its not comparabel

Insane results like what?

I really find it weird. You got refund policy to begin with.

Anyway, why does it sounds like investing for self-improvement; although, it's much, would be insane?

Personally I've spent $23,000++ for self-improvement. It's worth it. Anyway people's choice.

Ciao~~

(02-04-2016, 08:29 PM)Dzemoo Wrote: [ -> ]I believe darkness i had similar experience in my company and wonder how you can thing there exists something which has no side effects, if its has no side effects it has no effects at all thats the universial law, norhing is perfect even your subs shanon, i agree the poeple who cant afford am7 should buy and use am6, but in the long therm you will have to find a way to produce subs in a cheaper or more effective way, a new model of a tv or computer or car doesnt double in price every 2-3 years, unless your subs make me exponentially richer by time there will be a point where i wont be able to afford them anymore noone will pay you 10 thousand dollars for am10, so instead of always making the price higher you should look for a way to increase your customer base. Whats better for you 5 poeple who buy a sub for 1000 dollars or 20 poeple who buy a sub for 500 dollars? Expand your customer base and expand your company. Same as me having problem letting the fear of not having pussy go you have a problem letting the fear of trusting buisness partners go, no one can be successful in buisness alone no matter how good he might be

The price reflects the cost to make it. If there was a cheaper way, I'd be doing it. There isn't. And the main thing that makes it cost so much is time. Time is the one resource we can't ever get back, and it takes a lot of time to develop these programs. Time to research them, time to develop them, time to analyze the experiments results, time to build them, time to test them, time to figure out what is right and what is not right, time to figure out a correction. This one program is going to have taken at least 2 years of my life to create. It's not gonna be cheap.

It's also again the flagship product. It's the gold standard. Nothing else even comes close.

I'm not going to be making an AM after version 7. I don't believe that it's possible to advance subliminal technology much beyond 6th Generation, and even if it were, I am simply not willing to devote all this time and effort to building a program, to upgrade what is already done, when I have so much to do yet in other directions. AM7 will be the end of the line.

In the end, you pay for what you want. You guys have never seen a full 6G program at work. You're measuring this by 5G standards. And by 5G standards this would be insane to price it that way. But it's not 5G. It's in an entirely different class of capacity, power and speed. That's not to say that just because I can make the sub kick in faster that you have the capacity to grow faster, but I can maximize the speed at which you grow now. So when I say the price will be between 1 and 3 thousand dollars, you can conclude that 6G is in a completely different league than 5G. And it is. But just because you can't afford to throw down whatever the price is doesn't mean you can't save for it, and of course we do have the most generous refund policy in the entire industry. In the end, it's about what you think the value to price ratio is. If you don't agree, go without. If you do, then save up or whatever you need to do.

As for doubling in price every 2-3 years, you show me any product where the cost to develop it doubles every 2-3 years, and I'll show you a product that has it's price double every 2-3 years. It's becoming exponentially more expensive in time and everything else to push subliminal technology development to it's limits. We have 1.5+ years invested so far, and it'll be 4-6 months to finish, most likely. It took me only 3 months to develop 5G. Developing 4G took me a month. And developing 3G took me a few weeks, and 2G took me a week.

So... by that, 6G is 8 times more expensive to develop than 5G was, and yet it's only going to be 2 to 4 times as expensive to buy. Sounds like a bargain to me.

Let's see how much different they really are by experience.
Even if you spent 10 years on it and the results we get is only 10% better then I'm not going to buy that. But from what you said in your testing it sounds unbelievably powerful.

However when you developed the 5G technology you said you noticed some unbelievably powerful results compared to 4G too. But there were still people able to resist it. Lets compare AM5 and AM6, the difference is mildly noticeable. Some guys even said they thought AM5 was more powerful, and I still have my doubt about it.
AM6 5G might have more power to it, something like 8 times the input . But what we care about is the noticeable results. We have to be sure that it's worth the money. What I noticed compared to 4G is that I'm much more tired but that doesn't mean the results follow more. For now I would say I had great results with AM5, then my AM6 run was mildly noticeable but my 2nd AM6 run has been great.

It's hard for us to compared if the 5G is really that much different.

So for a price bump like that the difference between 5G and 6G has to be very noticeable, like day and night, no doubt about it.

One thing that would really interesting though is the time we have to spend listening to the sub, minimum being 8h/Day for 5G. Is there any news in the 6G development about the minimum time we have to listen per day. That would be worth 100$ more by itself.

How many times did you say there is nothing beyond this and this is the last version of am? In my am5 instruction it says its the last version of am and not a new one will be developed.

Ok then let it be 8 time more expensive to build and cost 2-4 times more than 5g but if its is not 2-4 times more effective than 5g in terms of actual results or at least say double the effectivness of 5g then i will be dissapointed, especially if there are poeple who resist it.

If not then i would say this is the limit of generation development because its not worth it for both you and us as customers and you should then only concentrate on making new titles instead of improving the techniques

I say he starts making 7G in 10 years?????. But ye, after 6G I think you should update all programs to 5G and 6G. Then you can make new Subliminals here and there in 5/6G based on demand. Imagine MIR 6G and An Aura Package in 5G where all auras are combined into 1 program.

Personally I'd have no issues with 6G AM being $2k or so. I would much rather pay a bit more to make the process faster so I could hammer up my few weak areas and then get back to what I want to focus on for long term growth.

Even if AM is life changing, it's still just one phase of life. Cost compared to time... I'd easily pay more to make the process faster. And if the process is also BETTER than I see no reason to complain.

Yeah, it's more expensive. I remember when I had to give up a lot of my entertainment expenses for some time to make ends meet. I'm sure that there are people here that wouldn't be able to afford it, but there's a lot of things I can't afford that I'd like. If I want them bad enough I budget and save. Choose your priorities and budget for them. Sometimes that budget is long term to get what you want. It sounds like there is plenty of time to do so before it's released, so you're probably going to be good if you seriously want it.

(02-05-2016, 12:04 AM)Alpha360 Wrote: [ -> ]Let's see how much different they really are by experience.
Even if you spent 10 years on it and the results we get is only 10% better then I'm not going to buy that. But from what you said in your testing it sounds unbelievably powerful.

However when you developed the 5G technology you said you noticed some unbelievably powerful results compared to 4G too. But there were still people able to resist it. Lets compare AM5 and AM6, the difference is mildly noticeable. Some guys even said they thought AM5 was more powerful, and I still have my doubt about it.
AM6 5G might have more power to it, something like 8 times the input . But what we care about is the noticeable results. We have to be sure that it's worth the money. What I noticed compared to 4G is that I'm much more tired but that doesn't mean the results follow more. For now I would say I had great results with AM5, then my AM6 run was mildly noticeable but my 2nd AM6 run has been great.

It's hard for us to compared if the 5G is really that much different.

So for a price bump like that the difference between 5G and 6G has to be very noticeable, like day and night, no doubt about it.

One thing that would really interesting though is the time we have to spend listening to the sub, minimum being 8h/Day for 5G. Is there any news in the 6G development about the minimum time we have to listen per day. That would be worth 100$ more by itself.

Well right now I am not to the time testing portion of development. However, I will say this. I see that an hour of 6G seems to equal several hours of 5G anything. Whenever I have done interaction tests, 6G invariably and quickly dominates 5G. You definitely won't be able to run 5G and 6G together.

So it is quite possible that we will be using 6G a lot less to get the same or better results. In fact, the way it is designed, that's very likely in my opinion. I don't know specifics yet, but that testing will be in the not too distant future.

As to the difference between 4G and 5G, you speak for yourself and perhaps a select few others as if you are everybody. I would say that most people see a significant difference between 4 and 5G. This is heavily dependent on how self aware and observant you are, though. These days, most people are not exactly very self aware or observant. Then there's resistance. I have seen people resist 5G just to be able to brag that they resisted it. Now who's the fool, me because they were able to resist it, or them for spending money on it and then intentionally refusing to allow it to work?

But with 6G I'm thinking it's not going to be so simple to resist it anymore. Overcoming resistance has been a major focus of 6G, and so far with the testers I have been able to muster, it works really well regardless of the level of resistance they would be able to muster for 5G. Not saying it's perfect yet, but it's been damned impressive so far with the testers I have.

We are of course going to be developing ASC 6G as a group so I get more exposure to more personalities and have a chance to tune it better.

I'm not pricing it yet, and I will adjust the price to whatever I believe is the best option in the end. But when I say that the price will most likely be between 1 and 3 thousand dollars a copy, I do so because I believe that is where the customer will agree that the value lies.

It's funny you say that because that taught crossed my head a "PREMIUM" version of alpha for all the serious users.
How many auras , how many stages?
I would love to see the OF in all the stages , along with maximum learning speed to make the results even faster.

(02-05-2016, 06:00 AM)Nox Wrote: [ -> ]Personally I'd have no issues with 6G AM being $2k or so. I would much rather pay a bit more to make the process faster so I could hammer up my few weak areas and then get back to what I want to focus on for long term growth.

Even if AM is life changing, it's still just one phase of life. Cost compared to time... I'd easily pay more to make the process faster. And if the process is also BETTER than I see no reason to complain.

Yeah, it's more expensive. I remember when I had to give up a lot of my entertainment expenses for some time to make ends meet. I'm sure that there are people here that wouldn't be able to afford it, but there's a lot of things I can't afford that I'd like. If I want them bad enough I budget and save. Choose your priorities and budget for them. Sometimes that budget is long term to get what you want. It sounds like there is plenty of time to do so before it's released, so you're probably going to be good if you seriously want it.

It depends how much you make each month, they are guys here who are still student.
2K for some guys is 1 years investment. For some it might goes be 3 years with their money currency. The indian guy with his rupee for example. Average income in Indiea is Rs 6,699 (USD 107.75) So he would need around one year to have 1200$, not counting food, and others stuff.
But I'm playing with currency here.

I agree with your idea about the investment though. And that's only one program, then WM2 and SM3. I might need to buy WM2 before it gets upgraded and the previous version is removed.

How much about BAMM in 6G 10k$?

That makes remember a lot of things though when I couldn't buy a video game when I was 7. It makes you appreciate what you have more, it's a good thing. We are a bit spoiled here.

But that's still a lot money, I can't tell my friends about it lol, even when I say 500$ they can't understand, never mind 1200$. They would call me crazy if I tell them I would buy a subliminal program at that price.

I hope the euro currency get back on top

(02-05-2016, 07:07 AM)Alpha360 Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-05-2016, 06:00 AM)Nox Wrote: [ -> ]Personally I'd have no issues with 6G AM being $2k or so. I would much rather pay a bit more to make the process faster so I could hammer up my few weak areas and then get back to what I want to focus on for long term growth.

Even if AM is life changing, it's still just one phase of life. Cost compared to time... I'd easily pay more to make the process faster. And if the process is also BETTER than I see no reason to complain.

Yeah, it's more expensive. I remember when I had to give up a lot of my entertainment expenses for some time to make ends meet. I'm sure that there are people here that wouldn't be able to afford it, but there's a lot of things I can't afford that I'd like. If I want them bad enough I budget and save. Choose your priorities and budget for them. Sometimes that budget is long term to get what you want. It sounds like there is plenty of time to do so before it's released, so you're probably going to be good if you seriously want it.

It depends how much you make each month, they are guys here who are still student.
2K for some guys is 1 years investment. For some it might goes be 3 years with their money currency. The indian guy with his rupee for example. Average income in Indiea is Rs 6,699 (USD 107.75) So he would need around one year to have 1200$, not counting food, and others stuff.
But I'm playing with currency here.

I agree with your idea about the investment though. And that's only one program, then WM2 and SM3. I might need to buy WM2 before it gets upgraded and the previous version is removed.

How much about BAMM in 6G 10k$?

That makes remember a lot of things though when I couldn't buy a video game when I was 7. It makes you appreciate what you have more, it's a good thing. We are a bit spoiled here.

But that's still a lot money, I can't tell my friends about it lol, even when I say 500$ they can't understand, never mind 1200$. They would call me crazy if I tell them I would buy a subliminal program at that price.

I hope the euro currency get back on top

I agree with you. The $500 subs isn't for everyone. You have to want it bad enough and trust it that it will work. When I purchased AM6 I knew it was going to work intuition I wanted it bad enough. Can I justify to myself spending $1000 + on AM7. Depends where I am at financially. You can always wait to read journals so see if it's worth the investement. Who's to say you need AM 7?

(02-05-2016, 07:07 AM)Alpha360 Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-05-2016, 06:00 AM)Nox Wrote: [ -> ]Personally I'd have no issues with 6G AM being $2k or so. I would much rather pay a bit more to make the process faster so I could hammer up my few weak areas and then get back to what I want to focus on for long term growth.

Even if AM is life changing, it's still just one phase of life. Cost compared to time... I'd easily pay more to make the process faster. And if the process is also BETTER than I see no reason to complain.

Yeah, it's more expensive. I remember when I had to give up a lot of my entertainment expenses for some time to make ends meet. I'm sure that there are people here that wouldn't be able to afford it, but there's a lot of things I can't afford that I'd like. If I want them bad enough I budget and save. Choose your priorities and budget for them. Sometimes that budget is long term to get what you want. It sounds like there is plenty of time to do so before it's released, so you're probably going to be good if you seriously want it.

It depends how much you make each month, they are guys here who are still student.
2K for some guys is 1 years investment. For some it might goes be 3 years with their money currency. The indian guy with his rupee for example. Average income in Indiea is Rs 6,699 (USD 107.75) So he would need around one year to have 1200$, not counting food, and others stuff.
But I'm playing with currency here.

I agree with your idea about the investment though. And that's only one program, then WM2 and SM3. I might need to buy WM2 before it gets upgraded and the previous version is removed.

How much about BAMM in 6G 10k$?

That makes remember a lot of things though when I couldn't buy a video game when I was 7. It makes you appreciate what you have more, it's a good thing. We are a bit spoiled here.

But that's still a lot money, I can't tell my friends about it lol, even when I say 500$ they can't understand, never mind 1200$. They would call me crazy if I tell them I would buy a subliminal program at that price.

I hope the euro currency get back on top

It is a lot of money. I completely agree. For my personal situation, I'm basically planning on putting away my tax refund and starting to save monthly for it. I'm not ballin' lol. I've made a lot of other things my priority that hasn't added up to money, and I don't regret it. That muh cash is a substantial expense to me. But I don't feel upset by it.

When I run AM, it'll most likely be multiple times. Let's say I do well and I get everything I want out of it in 3 runs. Right now that'll be close to two years when I add in rests and refreshers. If 6G can even half that, I just saved a year. I'm willing to spend that much money to save that much time.

The college students thing, I'm not gonna say "tough luck" because its needlessly cruel. What I will say is that if everyone here besides me has gotten everything they want when they want it we live on different planets lol. Yes, it does suck that some people can't get exactly what they want. But it really is how life works most of the time. Hell, that might be the most important thing they learn in college! if I could get even one thing right away and exactly how I want it then I wouldn't waste my wish on a subliminal.