(10-26-2015, 01:57 AM)Dzemoo Wrote: [ -> ]I remember when catman critized me 'wasting' 1.5 years trying out different single stages when i could have done am6 3 times and he was right, but now he wants to do the same???
This is interesting haha
(10-26-2015, 01:57 AM)Dzemoo Wrote: [ -> ]And i doubt ephra of will solve the problem magnets bring, magnets work as good as am works, for me even better the thing is its easier to get internal results than external.
THIS ONE!! Shannon has said numerous times that External results are a whole different world.External results won't show up for everyone I guess.External results(manifestations) are dependant on variables which we can't control.I wonder when will guys get this.If there are no manifestations, it is neither the listener's fault nor Shannon's.The crazy part is some guys think 'I will run OF and the manifestations will come' .
(10-26-2015, 01:57 AM)Dzemoo Wrote: [ -> ]Destroying fear by its own wont change your life for the better, i used seroxat (paroxetin) which is known to turn off fear in the brain, and guess what my life was not better i have just done many stupid things.
There is a contradiction here.I am lazy enough to not explain why this is so but the guys who know how fear works will understand by themselves.This is not the case, 'turning off' fear is always good.
(10-26-2015, 01:57 AM)Dzemoo Wrote: [ -> ]When i read old journals i see a much healthier and ambitious view on subs i wonder what have changed.
'The less expectations you have, the more happier you will be' .
(10-26-2015, 01:57 AM)Dzemoo Wrote: [ -> ]Also what i noticed here is that new users give shit about the opinion of more adanced users everyone comes here and want to make it better than the guys before him. Only ending up to either quit or to lose time just to do the same that more advanced user recommended at first. But at the end everyone is responsible for his own results.
Hah let's all listen to Ryan
Yeah Someone said, I think Catman or Geodude or both, that 'Everyone could benefit from running OF and even along the lines of 'everyone should run OF'. Just look at the journals and you will see how much guys have and will start running OF, just because they saw Geodude or Catman mentioning OF, when what some of them need and what they could benefit from more is.. 6 months of AM.
(10-25-2015, 03:59 PM)Benjamin Wrote: [ -> ]I was actually thinking about that last night Catman. Fear is by far my biggest issue. I believe it's stopped me getting maximum results from AM6 and it's holding me back in certain areas that I need to deal with not related to women.
So you planning to do OF next Catman?
I feel i'd get good results from the magnets but fear may stop the full expression. I know they do work, and there is tons of evidence of that.
I feel like I don't have much guilt and shame anymore but that fear is the big thing holding me back and I don't feel like a third run of AM6 will really deal with that, though of course I would still grow from it.
If fear was out of the way then the things I could do...
But funnily enough saying that there is the fear of what I might do if I didn't have the fear.. there's the fear of getting myself into trouble if I don't have fear, I fear what might happen or what I might do.
Sounds funny I know. 
Quote:What is your choice for now, Ben? Would you try both in the future
Yeah I would like to do both at some stage.
My latest idea is OF for maybe 3 months, then AM6 refresher for atleast a month (if you take longer than 3 months after AM6 before doing SM3 it recommends atleast 32 days of the refresher first).
Of course I don't WANT to do this because of my impatience... but it would probably be better for me since fear is the big overarching thing holding me back.
For me, fear prevented the ideal expression of even my AM6 run. If I did OF 1.1 before AM6, I definitely would have had more "outer" results, as in taking action, changing behavior, etc.
(10-26-2015, 01:57 AM)Dzemoo Wrote: [ -> ] (10-26-2015, 12:10 AM)Alpha360 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2015, 10:57 AM)Ricardo Wrote: [ -> ]And of course the fact they don't actually work.
Maybe you should say it didn't work for you.
Every time someone doesn't get the results he wanted with a magnet everyone here start to panic and hide behind OF/OGSF/EPHRA. It's not because you didn't get the result that someone else would react the same way. In fact history told us it's not the case. Some people just need one AM6/5 run and they get the results. I remember a time when Catman was saying exactly that but now he changed his mind.
I think AM6 alone is enough to remove the fear, but that just my opinion maybe some guys need OF/OGSF/EPHRA but don't assume everyone needs it because you do or think you do when you are not even sure about it.
Thank you exactly my opinion
Yeah many user change their mind when things dont go the way they want instead of sticking to their original plan.
I remember when catman critized me 'wasting' 1.5 years trying out different single stages when i could have done am6 3 times and he was right, but now he wants to do the same???
And i doubt ephra of will solve the problem magnets bring, magnets work as good as am works, for me even better the thing is its easier to get internal results than external. I personally wont do ephra of and so on, i will rather spend my time mastering the multistages. There is no easy way out.
The forum and the users are going in a weirde direction looking for an easy solution for their problems.
Destroying fear by its own wont change your life for the better, i used seroxat (paroxetin) which is known to turn off fear in the brain, and guess what my life was not better i have just done many stupid things.
When i read old journals i see a much healthier and ambitious view on subs i wonder what have changed.
At the beginnig everyone says i will run the magnet xy for x times but after one run they give up and use ephra, of, maximun learning speed and so on.
For me running of alone would be a waste of time if i can have it in wm2 with some other cool features.
Also what i noticed here is that new users give shit about the opinion of more adanced users everyone comes here and want to make it better than the guys before him. Only ending up to either quit or to lose time just to do the same that more advanced user recommended at first. But at the end everyone is responsible for his own results
As far as shanon gets his money and indigo mind continues to exist i dont care, but please dont say things like magnets dont work just because some didnt get results, in nearly all journals where guys didnt get result i could tell that from the begining that they wont just out of expierence seeing the users attitude and expectations.
Agreed, Magnets DO WORK! Also, I think one thing Alpha360 said is true too, everyone is different. For Geodude, I'm guessing he had some very strong deep-seated fears which held him back in life in many areas, because he said that OF 1.1 was the most life-changing sub he did out of them all.
(10-26-2015, 04:15 AM)Achiever Wrote: [ -> ]The crazy part is some guys think 'I will run OF and the manifestations will come' .
Well, OF won't manifest things for me, you're right, but destroying my deep-seated fears will allow me to TAKE ACTION and just get for myself what I would like manifested in the first place.
(10-26-2015, 04:15 AM)Achiever Wrote: [ -> ]The crazy part is some guys think 'I will run OF and the manifestations will come' .
No they believe by getting rid of the fear that the statements representing manifestations will be accepted rather than resisted.
So the bottom line with all this fear then is specifically a fear of women or sex per se. If you still want to try and manifest women without doing months of fear destroying subs first, then why not try an AYP. Some of the statements in them actually refer to being ready and preparing oneself for the relationship. This has the knock-on effect of removing the fear about women.
(10-26-2015, 11:02 AM)Ricardo Wrote: [ -> ]So the bottom line with all this fear then is specifically a fear of women or sex per se. If you still want to try and manifest women without doing months of fear destroying subs first, then why not try an AYP. Some of the statements in them actually refer to being ready and preparing oneself for the relationship. This has the knock-on effect of removing the fear about women.
Yeah, perhaps you could do that. But I think OF would attack deep-seated subconscious fears more powerfully still, because of the different angles it attacks it from at a deeper level from the phrasing, etc. Plus OF would help problems in many other areas of life at the root cause of them (fear), not just women.
Just my 2 cents.
Thanks man, I actually just posted this at the time cos I did all the comparisons of the journals for myself to decide which program to use. So probably won't end up updating it. There's not really a huge amount of extra journals on both programs since anyway.
In fact I can't think of anyone who's done WM recently other than Me, Frostedfake and Voytek. SM there's a couple.
The DMSI journals are taking over now, most journals i've ever seen for one program appear.
(07-22-2016, 02:28 AM)Benjamin Wrote: [ -> ]The DMSI journals are taking over now, most journals i've ever seen for one program appear.
You'll be happy to know I'll be journaling DMSI once a week!!
I understand why men in general crave what DMSI can do for them. It's too bad that people didn't see the potential of E2!! Guess they will eventually get E2 when they feel they need E2.
Yep, I struggled to make myself do E2. But the brief time on DMSI confirmed it for me, even after I knew after doing WM I needed it.
But it's cool it's having effects with girls in a positive way.
(07-22-2016, 02:28 AM)Benjamin Wrote: [ -> ]In fact I can't think of anyone who's done WM recently other than Me, Frostedfake and Voytek. SM there's a couple.
The DMSI journals are taking over now, most journals i've ever seen for one program appear.
I did WM
well over a year ago
But seriously the trouble with the magnets is that they take 6 months to complete and even then if you don't get the results you're hoping for, we've concluded it's probably because you didn't do enough runs of AM (weak foundation) so do more runs or perhaps you just resisted the magnet out of fear, so you need to run a fear ending sub maybe, then AM, then the magnet again...and so on and so on. The overriding message you can take from the magnet journals is simply, "how long's a piece of string"
People don't want to keep wasting 6 months at a time on definite maybe's so when something like a 5.5G DMSI powerhouse comes along everyone's all over it
I'm sure the magnets could certainly be improved to the point you don't need an AM foundation. I used to think that the AM prerequisite was a bit of a marketing con, but then I'm not a subliminal specialist...just a customer.
(10-25-2015, 11:41 AM)CatMan Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2015, 09:46 AM)Achiever Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2015, 09:21 AM)maxx55 Wrote: [ -> ]Are you sure going through AM6 multiple times would address everything that OF alone would?
Some others have said they wished they did OF before doing AM6.
I am sure for MY case. For people who have more fears and a lot of fear, 5G OF is the solution.
OF is a dedicated program to deal with fear. AM6 has tons and tons of other things in it alongside OGSF, which doesn't have as much dedication to fear as OF does. Focusing is best from a time and result standpoint if fear is shown to be an issue.
I didn't think I had a fear issue either. And I ran 12 straight stages of OGSF in AM6 and SM3, for a total of 6,980.5 hours. And apparently it wasn't enough.
If fear is even vaguely suspected in you, do OF first. Trust me. I wish I did, but I had no idea.
so do you think OF should be done befre AM6 or EPRHA?
(11-07-2016, 10:16 AM)kwamezzie Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2015, 11:41 AM)CatMan Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2015, 09:46 AM)Achiever Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2015, 09:21 AM)maxx55 Wrote: [ -> ]Are you sure going through AM6 multiple times would address everything that OF alone would?
Some others have said they wished they did OF before doing AM6.
I am sure for MY case. For people who have more fears and a lot of fear, 5G OF is the solution.
OF is a dedicated program to deal with fear. AM6 has tons and tons of other things in it alongside OGSF, which doesn't have as much dedication to fear as OF does. Focusing is best from a time and result standpoint if fear is shown to be an issue.
I didn't think I had a fear issue either. And I ran 12 straight stages of OGSF in AM6 and SM3, for a total of 6,980.5 hours. And apparently it wasn't enough.
If fear is even vaguely suspected in you, do OF first. Trust me. I wish I did, but I had no idea.
so do you think OF should be done befre AM6 or EPRHA?
Wow...that is a very old post you quoted.
NOW, I would say that with E2 around nowadays, and it being in 5.5G and dealing with a wide range of interconnected issues, E2 is superior to OF5G, even in fear destruction. Which is also something Shannon has said as well. So, unless money is an extreme problem, it's truly worth the small difference in cost between OF5G and E2 to buy E2.
Doing E2 for 192 days minimum before AM6 would be good to do, helping to remove a lot of garbage that would get in the way of that program. AM6 has E1 in it in every stage, so that will help continue the mop up during the run.