mini i did
3 days, 5days and 7 days cycles for every stage
the results were really strong so strong that they scared me using them further as i thought maybe i am doing something wrong, i wanted to use them instead of refresher but they showed different results than the refresher and the stages for 32 days my theory back then was that the previous stage and its effects are much fresher and they better build on it, because for me it seems, as my mind totally forgets the previous stage at the end of the new one
maybe shanon didnt allow or recommend this because it was too unsafe
i also used all six stage at once over the night, at the morning i felt like a king and druing the day but at the evening cried out of resistence and then again the next morning feeling unbreakable
notice the same thing wasnt possible with 4g, beside tieredness didnt notice anything on this, and that is what is more confusing to me you can combine 2 4gs but no 4g and 5g or 2 5gs although they work 10 times faster, and therefore should be possible to have effects with even less exposure time than 4g
(10-18-2015, 06:19 AM)Dzemoo Wrote: [ -> ]mini i did
3 days, 5days and 7 days cycles for every stage
the results were really strong so strong that they scared me using them further as i thought maybe i am doing something wrong, i wanted to use them instead of refresher but they showed different results than the refresher and the stages for 32 days my theory back then was that the previous stage and its effects are much fresher and they better build on it, because for me it seems, as my mind totally forgets the previous stage at the end of the new one
maybe shanon didnt allow or recommend this because it was too unsafe
i also used all six stage at once over the night, at the morning i felt like a king and druing the day but at the evening cried out of resistence and then again the next morning feeling unbreakable
notice the same thing wasnt possible with 4g, beside tieredness didnt notice anything on this, and that is what is more confusing to me you can combine 2 4gs but no 4g and 5g or 2 5gs although they work 10 times faster, and therefore should be possible to have effects with even less exposure time than 4g
I can relate to the craziness of playing them all in one night. When I first started AM6 the first time I only downloaded the trickling streams ones to be played constantly in my dorm. The first 3 days I went through a ton of moments of feeling like a king to feeling major depression. Bipolar completely what I had accidentally done was was loop all 7 stages in sequence. Didn't notice straight away and was overly convinced these subs were like am5 with the rapid mood swings etc. But it turned out I had had 3 days exposure of stages 1-7
The Subconscious mind does not get tired of old messages. The old saying that if a fool told you the same story for a year you would end up believing it. Repetitive action breeds mastery. Take a real life example such as MK ultra where the test subjects were bombarded with tourture of the same kind and negative suggestions under a suggestive state and eventually they became super soldiers that carried out any command that their programmer wanted them to. MK ultra programming is thousands of times more powerful than 5G programming I can assure you.
I can't stand this baseless assumption.
First, who create these audio? Shannon, then logically speaking who knows the best use? Shannon.
Who want the best results? Us. How do we earn the best results? Following the instructions.
Who create the instructions? Shannon. Who knows the A-to-Z and calculate ALL the measures of these audios? Shannon.
Seriously, adults, please?
(10-19-2015, 03:17 AM)AlphaMind Wrote: [ -> ]I can't stand this baseless assumption.
First, who create these audio? Shannon, then logically speaking who knows the best use? Shannon.
Who want the best results? Us. How do we earn the best results? Following the instructions.
Who create the instructions? Shannon. Who knows the A-to-Z and calculate ALL the measures of these audios? Shannon.
Seriously, adults, please?
At what level are these baseless assumptions. You jump to Shannon as the be all know all, what we are talking about is experimentation in a system that hasn't changed in over 7 years. Surely even Shannon can see some weight behind the theory that repeated listens can be incorporated into shorter sessions especially since he has seen the difference in power of the subs over the years. The idea of a first run through at shorter timeframes is purely a hypothesis but repeat listens can surely merit this
And how do you know the best results for a sub like sm come from following the rules do you have an example of someone who has tried otherwise. Even Shannon has not ran the sub, his perception is that of an observer reading journals, hence why experimentation is a viable option and in 27 days I shall begin experimentation, anyone else willing to put themselves at risk for the development of the programs may join me
You guys want to get rid of 32 days rule with current generation subs?
Then stop listening subs for 32 days, pick a number, see how it goes and report for other members. If it works great, you have done big favor for everyone. If it does not work, swallow your loss and go back to follow the rule until the next gen comes which might change it (?) , while knowing that the money back guarantee will be null. It´s not really that difficult. Everyone seems to have different opinion, experience or whatever research about what would be the ideal number of days. Test your favorite number and you will know how it works for YOU. If Shannon does not know then I guess you can only know by testing since different researches would give different recommendations.
EDIT: Just noticed Minititan is willing to experiment...good luck man, sincerely. Please report us.
Another interesting test would be pyramiding hours:
Stage 1, week 1: 20 hours/day
Stage 1, week 2: 15 hours/day
Week 3: 12 hours/day
Remaining: 8 hours/day
So on, and so forth through Stage 6.
(10-19-2015, 01:45 PM)RTBoss Wrote: [ -> ]Another interesting test would be pyramiding hours:
Stage 1, week 1: 20 hours/day
Stage 1, week 2: 15 hours/day
Week 3: 12 hours/day
Remaining: 8 hours/day
So on, and so forth through Stage 6.
Haha really cool idea. Just like the pyramid reps in the gym , cool. Sounds logical, first start off max to really integrate and then sort of just maintain (8 hours) . Nice.
Plus,this is a safe test because we're still actually going with the instructions that way.
Another one is altering the exercises ( masked and ultrasonic
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(10-19-2015, 07:08 AM)AlphaRomeo Wrote: [ -> ]You guys want to get rid of 32 days rule with current generation subs?
Then stop listening subs for 32 days, pick a number, see how it goes and report for other members. If it works great, you have done big favor for everyone. If it does not work, swallow your loss and go back to follow the rule until the next gen comes which might change it (?) , while knowing that the money back guarantee will be null. It´s not really that difficult. Everyone seems to have different opinion, experience or whatever research about what would be the ideal number of days. Test your favorite number and you will know how it works for YOU. If Shannon does not know then I guess you can only know by testing since different researches would give different recommendations.
EDIT: Just noticed Minititan is willing to experiment...good luck man, sincerely. Please report us.
Yea I think the money back guarantee for me is long since over feels like yonks ago when I bought these two subs. Especially SM3 got that the day it came out. Yea I'm gonna test and so is my friend, we've been running am6 and sm3 for the last year and have been comparing results in person. Our results with the current run through have been extremely parallel which surprised me because I'm an SM veteran and this was his first run through.
We haven't decided on number of days or hours yet but I will start a new experiment journal when I start and will try to convince him to join the forum to do the same. We are planning on starting the testing when stage 6 of SM3 comes to an end
(10-19-2015, 02:17 PM)Minititan Wrote: [ -> ] (10-19-2015, 07:08 AM)AlphaRomeo Wrote: [ -> ]You guys want to get rid of 32 days rule with current generation subs?
Then stop listening subs for 32 days, pick a number, see how it goes and report for other members. If it works great, you have done big favor for everyone. If it does not work, swallow your loss and go back to follow the rule until the next gen comes which might change it (?) , while knowing that the money back guarantee will be null. It´s not really that difficult. Everyone seems to have different opinion, experience or whatever research about what would be the ideal number of days. Test your favorite number and you will know how it works for YOU. If Shannon does not know then I guess you can only know by testing since different researches would give different recommendations.
EDIT: Just noticed Minititan is willing to experiment...good luck man, sincerely. Please report us.
Yea I think the money back guarantee for me is long since over feels like yonks ago when I bought these two subs. Especially SM3 got that the day it came out. Yea I'm gonna test and so is my friend, we've been running am6 and sm3 for the last year and have been comparing results in person. Our results with the current run through have been extremely parallel which surprised me because I'm an SM veteran and this was his first run through.
We haven't decided on number of days or hours yet but I will start a new experiment journal when I start and will try to convince him to join the forum to do the same. We are planning on starting the testing when stage 6 of SM3 comes to an end
Please keep an OFFLINE Journal. And let us know your results when you finish. Good Luck and thank you!!!
Also the reason for the stonewalling or the appearance of lack of results might be because of the naturaizer engine.
Heh, Shannon seems to not want to talk about this at all
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Another way i think might be worth giving a try is to do 30 days of listening and 2 days of rest per stage, that way there is some time without imput so the brain can process and rest before the next stage.
Gentlemen, I don't have time these days to read everything in the forums, but I have read a couple of pages of this thread. Let me explain to you all a few things.
Firstly, the subconscious mind does not automatically resist or ignore what you are listening to after the consciously noticeable change stops. What has happened is that you have shifted course enough that you can now "go with the flow" and the fact that you see nothing changing is evidence of that. The naturalizer, too, at work.
Secondly, the 32 days per stage rule was kept as the power increased because the results were not yet there where I wanted them to be. So I made it more powerful in the same amount of time. If you make it more powerful and shorten the time, you lose power if the results are not what you wanted them to be.
Thirdly, the "shock" stage is not what you want! The shock stage is only consciously noticeable change, but it's consciously noticeable because the turbulence is there. When this finishes, you are only then beginning to really work on what needs to be done... which is why it's 32 days per stage still, because...
You are building new synaptic connections in the "shock" stage and strengthening them for long term/permanent results with the rest of the stage.
Now, build those synapses and immediately start working other areas of the brain, and you get atrophy of the synapses you just created, and they fade away. You are losing ground. What I'm doing is building up the synapses until doing the next stage won't lose ground. This is partly why the stop smoking sub is for use for 6 months instead of 8 weeks.
You don't therefore, want shock stage>Shock stage>shock stage. You want to burn those ideas and beliefs in, even if the subconscious is not obviously responding, because once you stop the stimulus, that's what makes the changes long term.
32 days per stage is a good amount of time to use each stage. You guys are just hell bent on not following directions, and getting out of putting in the time, I think.
Catman, I believe you are having problems out of deep subconscious fear, and I strongly recommend something for focused fear destruction. If you're a virgin, then having missed the standard social timing for losing that status can be very scary and make one feel very vulnerable. I was late losing mine, I know how that feels. I also know a guy who is in his thirties who is still a virgin, my friends and I spend a lot of time trying to help him, but he sabotages everything he and we try to do out of fear.
I think what you're afraid of is being vulnerable to being laughed at by a woman more experienced than you. I remember being very afraid of that when I was a virgin. But remember that the subconscious is very good at making things happen its way without alerting the conscious mind to this fact. So you may be self sabotaging without even knowing it.
If you are afraid of being ridiculed, afraid of being hurt, afraid of being vulnerable, afraid of getting an STD or causing a pregnancy, afraid of the emotional impact or perhaps afraid of some other form of consequences, such as the sort that violate rule 4 to talk about, that is plenty enough to get the subconscious to resist out of fear. In effect you would be cockblocking yourself out of fear, and that's what I think you're doing. I used to do it too.
Fear destruction.