(08-28-2015, 06:49 AM)Ryan Wrote: [ -> ] (08-28-2015, 02:10 AM)Jakeb203 Wrote: [ -> ]We need a sub to DO.
SM/WM's target is to change you into a man who is magnetically attractive to women, BUT it does not instructs you to actually ACT.
You can spend ten thousand hours at home, thinking and realizing that you have became magnetically attractive to women, but it does not change the fact that you STILL lack experience with women. In the long term, yes I agree you should become a person who does not seek for too much external stimulation, but the other side of the story, if you look at those who actually got good with women (even if they are not completely attractive to women), it comes from STACKS OF EXPERIENCE. Which comes from years of approaching, seducing, and connecting with women, AND they have made it into a deliberate effort.
I personally have got laid this way. Yes right now I don't need to try too hard to get women if I do want to get laid, but without prior experiences of actually going out, practicing talking and seducing women, I would still be a virgin.
Words to conclude is that : yes, becoming a naturally seductive man is important, and can be many men's end goal, but to actually know HOW to seduce a girl requires intense level of action taking. Every night you go out there, TAKE ACTIONS, debrief on things that you have done wrong, and continously improve your skills with women. It's good to be a magnet who says whatever to get laid because of inner game, BUT taking actions can vastly make results happen faster. That's why we need this sub.
I'm proof and so are many others that what you say is entirely wrong. Dude, I never approached a woman flat out coldly in my life asking her to go out for "coffee" lol nor did it take me anymore than a few months/year to succeed. The sub made girls show interest and I pulled the trigger if I wanted, that's all. And yes I did approach eventually (after women had been pursuing me) but I approached without any mission and women who showed interest (which was a ton of them in most situations). Many guys in the same boat, who never blindly went after women had women approaching/showing significant interest they just didn't understand when to pull the trigger yet. Think you guys just need more work on your tapes. PUA is just a useless way to make you obsess more about women and feel good as a "magic pill" to get laid that is actually 100% a tactic to impersonate a guy who has the mindset of WM & SM. I mean come on you PUA nuts how do you think guys created tactics to pick-up women? That's right... by studying men who naturally get women. So the truth is your PUA subliminal is SM & WM, you guys wanna be lazy and not deal with your own issues to skip ahead to the future which a subliminal can't make you do, sorry. If anything you all are complaining about lack of results because you obsess over it vs. people like me and others who had natural success from the subliminals, didn't.
If you're lacking to get women on it means you're not fully internalizing AM/SM/WM. And if you feel you need "gaming tactics" memorized, you're insecure, lack confidence in your own self, and unattractive to women already.
Quote:and pua can be used in relationship very well...because if a girl has fallen in love with you because of pua she will still love you if you continue to be what you were when she met you, the problem is most guys change during relationship ... of course if your knowledge about pua is only superficial and not deep enough you wont be able to hold the girl...
LOL. Sorry but I'm wondering why anyone can take anything this dude said seriously? "Act to be somebody else the rest of your life"? Good luck with that guys. Stick to drawing your graphs in your journals for the next 4 years about how you're chances of getting laid have dropped every month and obsessing over when someone is going to next comment in your journal 
Think there should be a separate forum around here for guys who actually want to be better people and have great relationships with women and the other group for guys who are utterly doomed for eternity and ridicule everything this forum stands for (cough) this thread (cough). Just my two cents.
You seem to have misunderstood what the current Pick-up industry is about. AND the fact that you believe what I have said is entirely wrong shows you are ignorant to a degree, as you barely know me, my circumstances, and where my beliefs came from.
Before I educate you on tid-bits what current pick-up industry is all about, I want to say a word about life - what you believe that every good happens from just living and enjoying. YOU WILL NEVER BE TRULY PROGRESSING THIS WAY. Anything in life, despite the luck factor, comes from effort. Business, academics, women wise. Stagnant ways of living life only brings you mediocre results at best. To achieve the sex life you personally want, you need to TAKE ACTIONS. Girls will not start messaging you on dating websites. You need to make it happen. Hotties on the streets will give you attention, but if you don't go up to her, nothing happens. You hesitate, you masturbate. Simple.
Seduction now has become a hobby, AND can be a tool used by many to achieve sexual freedom. If you think that your life is great enough to not pursue any women, kudos to you. But if we were measuring from a seduction ability basis, how many gorgeous women can you truly date/bed? If you show us that you have dated models and 10's from the past, then words you say have the authority. Now don't say that life isn't about dating 10's because that's not written on the AM instruction or it disobeys your life codes. Bullsh8t. Facts do not change. You cannot date/bed 10's or keep her in a relationship, you cannot; You don't have ability to sleep with women on a regular basis, you don't. All the other fancy stuff, like I don't care about sleeping with women, is just mental masturbation. By the end of the day, results is what matters.
I have personally known friends who have slept over 100+ women, and we go out on a regular basis. He gets rejected, some girls do not like him, but he always ends up in bed with them, and it often happens very quickly. Persistence and taking actions guys.
One thing to add is : PUA has evolved in another direction, far like what you have recognized. Negs, push-pull, cold-reading - yes they still use them to a certain degree, but have then placed huge emphasis in another direction - practical theory. Open, transition, vibe, bounce, close. etc. Internalizing this, just like any other sports, makes it infinitely easier to have relationships. Some days you just want to fvck, what to do? Chat up to women. No talking sensitive topics on POFs. Close her in a few words and get a date. Make connections and bring her to your place. That's all. You don't even need to be a magnet sometimes, just don't make any mistakes. You do not know game, you lose the date, REGARDLESS if you care about it or not. Again what I am saying is about results, not about your personal value of dating girl/living life in a certain way.
Back the reality, look at the guys who have got results in the forum. AFZalg. He gets banned because people get in his way too much, thinking that his beliefs are "incorrect", and that he shouldn't go out to "game" women. But guess what - He gets plenty of pussies in the end. His satisfactions come from going out and actually do something about his sex life, instead of sitting on his ass all the thinking and believing that he is the shit and women like him. In other words, he gets fun from laying chicks (as THIS IS what most people want from SM/WM), but NOT from passively waiting for women to come. You can still be a magnet and take actions, it does not infringe on anything.
The moment you think if she likes you or not, you could be sleeping with a few other girls already. Let go of the belief that you should not be taking actions. You are not a flower, nothing comes to you for free.
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Move on dude.