(05-23-2014, 02:43 PM)Andrew Wrote: [ -> ]Lot of good responses here. As far as eating goes, as someone mentioned earlier it would be pretty generic like sticking to your diet, taking in the right foods needed to achieve your goal, etc.
It would not be for muscle building unless that's your goal. Hence all-purpose, as long as your training routine uses weights/some kind of resistance training and follows a diet (of some kind). I have a list of things it would aid with but I have to go over them with Shannon to see what's possible and to add his suggestions as well.
I am guessing he would put in parts of MHS (maximum healing speed) to aid in reducing recovery time for example. Well, keep the responses coming I'm glad to see such positive feedback and discussion so fast.
That sounds great! Do you think there could be mild testosterone and hgh boost?
Diets such as protein, creatine, EAAs, BCAAs, etc. HGH for deep sleep and recovery aid while sleeping. Intense power and focus for monstrous workout. And so on, so on.
(05-23-2014, 02:43 PM)Andrew Wrote: [ -> ]I am guessing he would put in parts of MHS (maximum healing speed) to aid in reducing recovery time for example.
MHS would be great - others subliminals to throw in/have aspects of:
- sleep - anything for deep, recuperative sleep (which is when a lot of physical gains happen)
- anxiety/fear - this def starts to creep in when doing near your max (e.g. 1 rep maxes) and it limits your potential and can even be dangerous
- confidence - counter to above
- focus/concentration - being present, using the correct technique repeatedly, even when tired/stressed/scared
- Healthy knees - well, joints in general
- seek the challenge/motivation/ultra success - keep pushing yourself to greater physical success
Injury protection should also be noted there.
(05-23-2014, 10:10 PM)robstar Wrote: [ -> ]That sounds great! Do you think there could be mild testosterone and hgh boost?
We could shoot for one, but it probably won't boost test, hgh, igf levels as much as working out, getting the right foods and getting some good sleep. I don't know how much of what I'm about to say you already know, so I'll repeat it all because I know there will be many who think the key is to increase this or that hormone.
The problem with increasing test levels even a little amount out of normal range is, especially if the user has significant body-fat, is aromatization into estradiol. So we can shoot for keeping the body's test levels as high in its natural range as possible but anything after that, you'll notice supplements that increase test levels you can only take a short time because the body WILL deal with the imbalance eventually and there would be no point in the supplement anymore.
As much as I would love to say to Shannon we should increase this or that hormone in the body, even if we were to pull it off the body has ways of converting excess or it comes out in negative side effects. This is why steroid users often have to run aromatase inhibitors (effectively estrogen blockers) and they are constantly looking to outsmart nature and the body.
The titles he has released already on doing this (increase testosterone, hgh) do not take into account an athlete or aspiring athlete who already have or will have healthy levels most of the time. Those titles are, for a generally healthy athlete who has their rest, diet, in check and no other health problems those titles, not useful.
(05-24-2014, 06:22 AM)jonathan4all Wrote: [ -> ]Injury protection should also be noted there.
It'll be in there. It'll be tricky to word it correctly as perception of correct "form" differs so much. Pretty much every lifting style criticizes the others that their form is bad. So we'll have to go with some universal principles where the brain can correctly identify whenever something feels like it might suffer an injury now or over time.
To my pleasant surprise the interest so far in a general weightlifting and bodybuilding-only set has been exactly equal. The bodybuilding set will need a lot of time, but the weightlifting title will be a definite upgrade to the 3g bodybuilding title. Perhaps I can convince Shannon that purchasers of the weightlifting title might get a discount off the bodybuilding set when released.
So I'll bring my materials to Shannon to discuss, then bring them back here and you guys can have fun with suggestions, assuming Shannon is interested in making it at this time.
(05-24-2014, 01:13 PM)Andrew Wrote: [ -> ] (05-24-2014, 06:22 AM)jonathan4all Wrote: [ -> ]Injury protection should also be noted there.
It'll be in there. It'll be tricky to word it correctly as perception of correct "form" differs so much. Pretty much every lifting style criticizes the others that their form is bad. So we'll have to go with some universal principles where the brain can correctly identify whenever something feels like it might suffer an injury now or over time.
Agreed - "correct" form is best left up to the individual, like "correct" diet... the main thing being that the sub does not give us specifics (e.g. go below parallel for squats) but rather allows us to maintain correct form as WE see it - so would need to stay generic.
I prefer leaving it in the domain of the individual's goals and personal/trainer's expertise even over "universal principles".... I am a bit wary of suggesting to the brain to watch out for stuff that can injure us now or later.... it might start telling me that squatting so much is crazy and I should back off and rather do yoga!! (when really what I needed was a confidence and energy boost, sheer will/determination, and adherence to correct form (as I see it) in order to safely keep piling on weights)
(05-24-2014, 02:03 PM)coldfact Wrote: [ -> ]I am a bit wary of suggesting to the brain to watch out for stuff that can injure us now or later.... it might start telling me that squatting so much is crazy and I should back off and rather do yoga!! (when really what I needed was a confidence and energy boost, sheer will/determination, and adherence to correct form (as I see it) in order to safely keep piling on weights)
Haha I do Yoga, although I currently am only 240lb. We'll see how much yoga likes me at 260+ when I finish my bulk, or after two more bulks at 280/300. Honestly yoga has helped my lifting, I got pretty musclebound and had serious problems putting on my socks (no not cause of a big belly, my bodyfat is pretty low)...
Yeah I understand your concern fully though. I do some absurd weights on some of my lifts. That's why we have Shannon though, he'll know if I'll be seeing you in my next yoga class
Haha i'm just imagining in the forum testimonial section..
"The weightlifting program got me so muscular I now have problems putting on my socks".
-Andrew.
(05-24-2014, 01:02 PM)Andrew Wrote: [ -> ] (05-23-2014, 10:10 PM)robstar Wrote: [ -> ]That sounds great! Do you think there could be mild testosterone and hgh boost?
We could shoot for one, but it probably won't boost test, hgh, igf levels as much as working out, getting the right foods and getting some good sleep. I don't know how much of what I'm about to say you already know, so I'll repeat it all because I know there will be many who think the key is to increase this or that hormone.
The problem with increasing test levels even a little amount out of normal range is, especially if the user has significant body-fat, is aromatization into estradiol. So we can shoot for keeping the body's test levels as high in its natural range as possible but anything after that, you'll notice supplements that increase test levels you can only take a short time because the body WILL deal with the imbalance eventually and there would be no point in the supplement anymore.
As much as I would love to say to Shannon we should increase this or that hormone in the body, even if we were to pull it off the body has ways of converting excess or it comes out in negative side effects. This is why steroid users often have to run aromatase inhibitors (effectively estrogen blockers) and they are constantly looking to outsmart nature and the body.
The titles he has released already on doing this (increase testosterone, hgh) do not take into account an athlete or aspiring athlete who already have or will have healthy levels most of the time. Those titles are, for a generally healthy athlete who has their rest, diet, in check and no other health problems those titles, not useful.
Yeah I hear what you're saying, and I definitely don't mean steroid level increases, I just mean optimal/maximal normal levels. Kind of like imitating someone who has great natural genetics for bodybuilding.
They usually have high test, high leptin levels, great insulin sensitivity etc.
(05-24-2014, 06:23 PM)robstar Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah I hear what you're saying, and I definitely don't mean steroid level increases, I just mean optimal/maximal normal levels. Kind of like imitating someone who has great natural genetics for bodybuilding.
They usually have high test, high leptin levels, great insulin sensitivity etc.
Yeah we can shoot for that, but it'll have to be compatible for women too. It'll have to be a bit more on the generic side, like suggestions for the body to create optimal hormonal environments for your (goals). I'll see what Shannon thinks. He's on break for the weekend, hopefully I can get him by or on Monday to go over if building this title is a possibility, and the details of what can go in and then I'll get back to all of you with my list.
(05-24-2014, 04:55 PM)Benjamin Wrote: [ -> ]Haha i'm just imagining in the forum testimonial section..
"The weightlifting program got me so muscular I now have problems putting on my socks".
-Andrew.
"Thanks to the yoga program, I was finally able to take my socks back off"
-Andrew
Oh wait we don't have a yoga program
I'm just glad you were able to get your socks on and off in the end
