Don't you guys think this is a lil ridiculous? I'd say GTFO! in my house.
Mystery, why don't you use the free self confidence one for a couple weeks... That's what I did and decided to try some others. It's free, so I doubt it needs buy protection, A?
At any rate, just like with hypnosis, you can't force someone to change everything against their will overnight. Even if there is something that you wouldn't like, don't you think you'd feel a bit "off" eventually?
Maybe it's just me, but I trust my intuition.
Give it a try, you actually sound kinda sinical like life's got you down or something...not a cheap shot, just an observation. Would be quite sad if true and you stayed that way. We're all here to be better people and enjoy life more.
It does get old having people show up here or telling me face to face that "subliminals don't work" and having never even tried to use them, research them, ignoring all the evidence present that they do work, etc. I certainly understand why they do it - it's simple fear. Usually such people have to have a very black and white thinking style because they're afraid of what they don't know or understand. Generally they attack, deny or ridicule what the are afraid of. There are a lot of "scientists" who think like this, and it's sad, because we could have advanced science so much further since we started studying things in a scientific manner if people would just start from a point of "I don't know yet. Let me see what happens." (Which basically is the scientific method, really.)
Instead we have a lot of "scientific" types recognizing that X is probably valid, but because of that it threatens their black and white rigid thinking and accepted reality, and they deny, attack and ridicule whatever it is. Basically, they are afraid that if they're wrong on this point, they could be wrong on everything, and it scares them to consider that they might have to re-evaluate everything they believe. Really, it's not scary at all.
If you look at the history of science, you'll see that science itself is fighting the very discoveries it's working towards making. Every real breakthrough has come about with some genius making a major discovery, sharing it, and then getting viciously attacked and/or buried alive for it. Then it takes science 10-100 years to conclude that the very same idea is "common sense".
I can understand being skeptical. I was skeptical too. But you can take it too far. And when you do, it;s not me who's being arrogant, it's you. I understand that the forum is an unregulated source of information, but blindly dismissing the experiences of everyone here is to say that all of these people are idiots, and have been fooled. I suppose in a way, that would also mean I would have to be a supra-genius, but sorry, I cannot claim that title - and these people are in my experience of significantly above average intelligence. They can't all be idiots, or fools. There's something going on here.
I have to agree with cambooka. Its really becoming ridiculous. mysterymagick you can go find someone else to troll with. If you don't believe in these subs then go find something else that works for you man. If you don't believe in Shannon's products then so be it. I bet Shannon wouldn't be glad to have a customer with an attitude problem.
(01-11-2013, 06:41 AM)SexyMofo Wrote: [ -> ]I have to agree with cambooka. Its really becoming ridiculous. mysterymagick you can go find someone else to troll with. If you don't believe in these subs then go find something else that works for you man. If you don't believe in Shannon's products then so be it. I bet Shannon wouldn't be glad to have a customer with an attitude problem.
I am not trolling and could not be bothered with someone whose only response is to say i am
(01-08-2013, 01:42 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]It does get old having people show up here or telling me face to face that "subliminals don't work" and having never even tried to use them, research them, ignoring all the evidence present that they do work, etc. I certainly understand why they do it - it's simple fear. Usually such people have to have a very black and white thinking style because they're afraid of what they don't know or understand. Generally they attack, deny or ridicule what the are afraid of. There are a lot of "scientists" who think like this, and it's sad, because we could have advanced science so much further since we started studying things in a scientific manner if people would just start from a point of "I don't know yet. Let me see what happens." (Which basically is the scientific method, really.)
Instead we have a lot of "scientific" types recognizing that X is probably valid, but because of that it threatens their black and white rigid thinking and accepted reality, and they deny, attack and ridicule whatever it is. Basically, they are afraid that if they're wrong on this point, they could be wrong on everything, and it scares them to consider that they might have to re-evaluate everything they believe. Really, it's not scary at all.
If you look at the history of science, you'll see that science itself is fighting the very discoveries it's working towards making. Every real breakthrough has come about with some genius making a major discovery, sharing it, and then getting viciously attacked and/or buried alive for it. Then it takes science 10-100 years to conclude that the very same idea is "common sense".
I can understand being skeptical. I was skeptical too. But you can take it too far. And when you do, it;s not me who's being arrogant, it's you. I understand that the forum is an unregulated source of information, but blindly dismissing the experiences of everyone here is to say that all of these people are idiots, and have been fooled. I suppose in a way, that would also mean I would have to be a supra-genius, but sorry, I cannot claim that title - and these people are in my experience of significantly above average intelligence. They can't all be idiots, or fools. There's something going on here.
you put a post up the other day when you clamed you were and knew more than anyone else including as i recall scientists
Hey MM, I'm getting the feeling that you've come onto the board with a "prove it" attitude and a predisposition to debate everything.
Nothing can be proven on the boards, and there is insufficient data to persuade you. Given Shannon's very liberal refund policy, why not buy one and see what happens? Or, there are several free products that you can try to see if they are effective for you, which would provide specific personal experience, or evidence, that your risk:reward ratio is good enough to warrant purchasing a product.
I don't believe that further discussion is going to sway you one way or another, and is already starting to devolve. It's time to fish or cut bait.
For those who believe, debate is unnecessary. For those who don't believe, no explanation is possible
I'm wondering and I have a question for you mysterymagick.
Are you here to just argue and try to prove everything wrong or are you here to experiment, try something new and get new results in your life?
At this point all there is to do is try something like ASC (Absolute self confidence) for yourself and see the results.
I put much less value into what 'scientists' think and much more value in my own experience.
-Ben
I have been using it for about a month now but havent noticed anything so far I guess I have to keep listening to it. I listen to both the ultrasonic and the masked just to mix it up a little. I will just wait and see what results I get out of this. Is it ok if you miss a day in between?
Hey Vins,
It's better not to miss a day unless you really have to. Since you are reprogramming your beliefs the best thing you can do is be consistent. I have some days when I go places and get less listening but I atleast try to get a bit each day.
-Ben
(01-11-2013, 03:34 PM)mysterymagick Wrote: [ -> ] (01-08-2013, 01:42 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]It does get old having people show up here or telling me face to face that "subliminals don't work" and having never even tried to use them, research them, ignoring all the evidence present that they do work, etc. I certainly understand why they do it - it's simple fear. Usually such people have to have a very black and white thinking style because they're afraid of what they don't know or understand. Generally they attack, deny or ridicule what the are afraid of. There are a lot of "scientists" who think like this, and it's sad, because we could have advanced science so much further since we started studying things in a scientific manner if people would just start from a point of "I don't know yet. Let me see what happens." (Which basically is the scientific method, really.)
Instead we have a lot of "scientific" types recognizing that X is probably valid, but because of that it threatens their black and white rigid thinking and accepted reality, and they deny, attack and ridicule whatever it is. Basically, they are afraid that if they're wrong on this point, they could be wrong on everything, and it scares them to consider that they might have to re-evaluate everything they believe. Really, it's not scary at all.
If you look at the history of science, you'll see that science itself is fighting the very discoveries it's working towards making. Every real breakthrough has come about with some genius making a major discovery, sharing it, and then getting viciously attacked and/or buried alive for it. Then it takes science 10-100 years to conclude that the very same idea is "common sense".
I can understand being skeptical. I was skeptical too. But you can take it too far. And when you do, it;s not me who's being arrogant, it's you. I understand that the forum is an unregulated source of information, but blindly dismissing the experiences of everyone here is to say that all of these people are idiots, and have been fooled. I suppose in a way, that would also mean I would have to be a supra-genius, but sorry, I cannot claim that title - and these people are in my experience of significantly above average intelligence. They can't all be idiots, or fools. There's something going on here.
you put a post up the other day when you clamed you were and knew more than anyone else including as i recall scientists
You are showing your lack of reading comprehension. I never said I was a supra-genius. As for whether I know more than anyone else, it's probable that I do, within my specific niche. I don't see anyone else getting the result I'm getting. I'm getting different results because I am doing different things. I do different things because I let my experiments lead me... instead of having everyone else think for me, or trying to be lazy and assume everything that works for hypnosis and NLP is going to work for subliminals, or is all there is to know.
I'm not sure why you come here. I don't mind you discovering my subliminals, even if they end up not working for you. But if everything is an attack on my work, or my credibility, etc. what's the point? If you're just here to rile feathers, then you're acting as a troll. I'm not sure I can see what you're doing otherwise yet.
(01-14-2013, 01:05 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ] (01-11-2013, 03:34 PM)mysterymagick Wrote: [ -> ] (01-08-2013, 01:42 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]It does get old having people show up here or telling me face to face that "subliminals don't work" and having never even tried to use them, research them, ignoring all the evidence present that they do work, etc. I certainly understand why they do it - it's simple fear. Usually such people have to have a very black and white thinking style because they're afraid of what they don't know or understand. Generally they attack, deny or ridicule what the are afraid of. There are a lot of "scientists" who think like this, and it's sad, because we could have advanced science so much further since we started studying things in a scientific manner if people would just start from a point of "I don't know yet. Let me see what happens." (Which basically is the scientific method, really.)
Instead we have a lot of "scientific" types recognizing that X is probably valid, but because of that it threatens their black and white rigid thinking and accepted reality, and they deny, attack and ridicule whatever it is. Basically, they are afraid that if they're wrong on this point, they could be wrong on everything, and it scares them to consider that they might have to re-evaluate everything they believe. Really, it's not scary at all.
If you look at the history of science, you'll see that science itself is fighting the very discoveries it's working towards making. Every real breakthrough has come about with some genius making a major discovery, sharing it, and then getting viciously attacked and/or buried alive for it. Then it takes science 10-100 years to conclude that the very same idea is "common sense".
I can understand being skeptical. I was skeptical too. But you can take it too far. And when you do, it;s not me who's being arrogant, it's you. I understand that the forum is an unregulated source of information, but blindly dismissing the experiences of everyone here is to say that all of these people are idiots, and have been fooled. I suppose in a way, that would also mean I would have to be a supra-genius, but sorry, I cannot claim that title - and these people are in my experience of significantly above average intelligence. They can't all be idiots, or fools. There's something going on here.
you put a post up the other day when you clamed you were and knew more than anyone else including as i recall scientists
You are showing your lack of reading comprehension. I never said I was a supra-genius. As for whether I know more than anyone else, it's probable that I do, within my specific niche. I don't see anyone else getting the result I'm getting. I'm getting different results because I am doing different things. I do different things because I let my experiments lead me... instead of having everyone else think for me, or trying to be lazy and assume everything that works for hypnosis and NLP is going to work for subliminals, or is all there is to know.
I'm not sure why you come here. I don't mind you discovering my subliminals, even if they end up not working for you. But if everything is an attack on my work, or my credibility, etc. what's the point? If you're just here to rile feathers, then you're acting as a troll. I'm not sure I can see what you're doing otherwise yet.
my last post as i have been accused of trolling. you did claim to know more than anyone including scientists and that you could charge hundreds of thousands for your programs. I have a screenshot and printout of the post. ou also claim never to stop negative posts but this one was locked
http://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-GK-s-S...nal?page=3
Like I say my last post in this place
I just wondering what you have in mind MM. Like what Ben said :
" Are you here to just argue and try to prove everything wrong or are you here to experiment, try something new and get new results in your life?
At this point all there is to do is try something like ASC.(Absolute self confidence) for yourself and see the results."
Anyway Shannon, this won't get anywhere. If he just wants to know whether your subliminal works just let him try. It is NOT worth your time and effort just to prove to someone like him.
I just want to thank you to you Shannon because your subliminal help me growing in the term that I never imagine. I always find personal development improvement, from reading the books until attending many seminars. It required a lot of works and time to do those activities, but using your subliminal by itself I just play it anytime, mostly when I sleep and I GOT results without effort, and I won't be here if your subliminal do not work. That's why I am still your customers and will keep improve myself here. I keep journal myself and I know here I was and where I am now.
So MM, being skeptical is okay here. IF I find Shannon's program doesn't work as I expected, I just simply ask for refund after I try the program for the amount of time that is recommended.
If you still argue here without even want to try you just WASTING many people time. So, you know what to do! and of course Shannon again, if I were you my advice DO NOT waste your time to prove something to someone like him.
Mysterymagick again you seem to need some clarification, It is "WE" the customers that say shannon's work is worth thousands
About Alpha Male Training Set Ver. 5.0, and its value for price:
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Shannon, AM5 is worth far more than you charge for it. I need to buy the second half before you change the price to match the value.
Sean said this here.
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I have been in the so called self help industry for more than 5 years and I tell you I have nearly tried everything and I have not witnessed anything that benefited me more than my 4 months of AM and the funny thing is I'm not done with it yet.
Yuri said this here.
and obviously there's plenty more, the point is shannon would not be able to say these things if it was NOT backed up by us, which again obviously "IS" backed up by customer reviews, and about him saying he knew more than anyone including including the scientists he mentions over and over and over again he is speaking about "HIS FIELD"
and again he always mentions again and again that subs might not work for ALL PEOPLE and its blatantly obvious in the thread your showing the guy that stopped clearly said other programs worked good for him and yet he choose to quit because he was overran by his own resistance during SM, I wanted to quit in nearly all stages throughout AM and I'm glad I didn't, is it easy? obviously when you dark-side is being pressured exposed and brought to the surface it is not easy, not at all, is it beneficial? absolutely, and the explanation of you being a so called troll is you keep bashing on shannons work and giving unjust reasons using a lack of knowledge and a lack of logic, and for what? for you not being man enough to test something for yourself that might improve on who you are without even paying a penny.
and listen closely now, if you use the sub or you don't it will not affect any of us and if you chose to buy a program or not it will not make shannon rich nor will it make him go broke, and the only reason we are indulging with you in these absurd debates is we are trying to help you, perhaps you should reflect on these words with yourself for a while before going ahead and providing us with more unreasonable logic.