Since finishing UH about 6 months ago i've been jumping around to different things, using other programs that I 'can' use more than 1 at a time and try to deal with certain things. and had a few hypnosis sessions and other sessions. I also partly just realized that UH may have scared the depth it hit, because before I stopped I got some very strong stuff coming up, and coincidentally muscle testing told me to stop using it and move onto something else. I've partly realized that at times subconscious resistance can also affect my muscle testing results. I would have done good to atleast stick to my planned amount of UH or to keep using it. I noticed things went a bit downhill after stopping it.
Made some progress on one area i've wanted to that should help me get better results now.
But I feel like trying these other things have just had me floundering, hoping for what they promised and the results I wanted from them... but not really getting them. I realized last night that I need to trust myself and my own experience of what has and what hasn't worked for me, instead of constantly 'hoping' things would and still wasting my time.
I sat down and compared different things, and as I already knew that these programs here have got me by far the most results even if i've had 'something' holding back it's full expression.. that I have taken responsibility to move past now and get the results I want.
And the main thing happening at the moment, UH got me to a point where after not being with anyone for around 5 years due to reasons I won't mention but that caused me alot of pain, intensity and trauma.. that one night on UH I woke up with a strong thought and feeling "I'm ready to be with somebody again" and then had a few women message me, and one woman ask me out. I was a bit unsure, but went for it.
It ended up being one of the best relationships i've had, and I would communicate what pissed me off instead of just brooding on it and getting more pissed off and just losing it like in the past. I consistently would take the lead, take her places, the sex was good the whole time. I wasn't needy (I credit UH to helping alot with that) and I also kept up my own stuff that I was doing, which in the past I made the mistake of not doing so when I was with someone and regretted it.
But 2 weeks ago she ended it, her reason was that she wanted to spend more time with me than I could. She had mentioned it a few times, and I tried but apparently not enough.
What does my head in is to me everything was great, I did most everything well, consistently took the lead, and the sex didn't drop off at all like in some past relationships where I lost myself and she lost attraction.. it was strong until the end of it.
So that day she ended it and the next day went on a bit of a porn binge, but was okay the rest of the week and thought I didn't feel too bad. But I think that's cos I pushed down the emotions with the porn. I hadn't looked at porn the whole time I was with her or masturbated, getting regular sex seemed to deal with that urge, and fulfill whatever need I was hoping to get from porn.
Anyway now the last few days it come up much stronger, rage, anger, hate towards her and then back to it.. without the porn this time but still just as damaging. And other damaging behaviours that are detrimental. For a few days almost feeling like I could lose it and wanting to give up everything i'm doing that is beneficial to me.
It's probably been the most intense 2 weeks i've had in a long time.
So it was a choice between OGSF, Maverick, OPH. I can't say i'm ready for Maverick, OPH is "it sounds good and would be good to be physically healed more, but it's not what I need right now".
OGSF is what I really need and for a good amount of time consistently muscle testing says "Use OGSF".
I just opened a document and made a list of fears I want to deal with, and things I have guilt and shame about that I want to deal with. I won't share that here.
I may not even update this much here, as in the past i've found doing so seems to sometimes 'discharge' some of the work that's happening. I don't know why or understand it but i've noticed it happening.
Started OGSF 5.9g - Sunday 30/4/23.
Last night of listening to 5.9g version - Sunday 6/8/23.
I’m breaking my soft-ban on OGSF journals to come say hi
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Good luck on your journey man! OGSF is the single most effective subliminal I’ve used to date! Don’t be fooled if you feel like nothing’s happening all the time and don’t try to focus on the results too much cause it’ll feel like paint drying. Just let the program run in the background and live your life and once you begin reflecting once in a while, you’ll notice you’ve made big changes that you kind of question if you’ve really changed so much.
I’ve noticed there’s a bias where because I still have an issue for a long time my brain will be like “see I’m not getting results because I still have this issue” but that’s just survivorship bias because the subliminal just hasn’t got to that part yet. There’s also another bias I notice where because I don’t “feel” different I must not be getting results. But it’s only when I reflect on the past that I realize I really have changed, and that’s why it feels so weird because I logically know that I’ve changed so much that it boggles the mind, but it doesn’t “feel” like anything has changed so it’s a bit surreal.
Thanks man, some of your post definately got me interested in it. Funny though how long I put it off, I assume due to fear. Even last night before playing it I had excuses coming up that sounded rational.
Yes that's the challenging thing, sometimes you don't know or don't notice until you look back or others comment. I even remember on AM6 I swore not much was happening but when I posted progress videos others were like "what the fuck, you've changed alot".
Especially looking back these programs definately have done alot for me, wheras other things i've done are kind of like "oh yeah.. eh it might kind of be doing something".
And still even after all this time, I can easily identify others resistance and point it out.. but when i'm in the midst of it I always swear nothing is happening, that it's done nothing and such.. which is how convincing the mind is.
One thing you mentioned is definately the challenge. I'd love to be able to just live life and let it unfold, but i've found that very difficult with other programs in that i'm continually looking for things and that may likely be a specific pattern of mine. But I agree letting it run in the background and live life is ideal.
Generally when I first listen to a program on the first night I notice all kinds of things and it lessens after that. That doesn't mean I don't get results, but the obviousness of the first night of listening is always cool.
I put it on and laid down in bed, and this was unexpected. It felt almost like I was getting a massage all over my body, especially in sore spots that cause me issues and they were relaxing. Then I realized "wow, I think i've actually been stuck in fight and flight without realizing" and it was like it was bringing me down out of that.
I had some emotions come up, and only after a few minutes I could feel I was getting closer to crying. But then something come up to interrupt that, which is an annoying pattern. I feel like if I could just let these things go through their motion naturally without being interrupted then it would cause bigger shifts.
I started thinking of one big thing that i've just not been able to do because of massive fear. I've done it twice in my life and need to do so again but I just can't seem to. I started thinking about the times I did it in the past and thinking "It actually wasn't so bad".
I had a few strange dreams that I can't remember, but definately influenced by OGSF. One dream with my now ex where I gently touched her back then regretted it because I don't want to invite her back in to hurt me again, then she did the same to me. I'm not sure if the dream continued. But I had no dreams with her in it until now, so hopefully that's a way of OGSF starting to heal it.
In the morning I got up about an hour earlier even if I was a bit tired. And my shoulder felt less sore, interesting as that's something that UH helped with alot but it still has soreness. Unexpected. It makes me wonder if some of my physical issues actually go back to fear, and guilt and shame possibly but mostly fear I think.
Something felt slightly different. I had the thought "Don't do the 5 tibetan rites as it'll affect OGSF" which are feelings i've had in the past with other practices when using subliminals, but I thought i'd try it and I noticed something shifted and I felt kind of 'normal' again instead of the subtle difference I felt from OGSF. So that's annoying, and it doesn't make sense why.. as with some other practices i've done like Qigong and such.. but i'll listen to it and find another morning routine.
(04-30-2023, 05:57 PM)Benjamin Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks man, some of your post definately got me interested in it. Funny though how long I put it off, I assume due to fear. Even last night before playing it I had excuses coming up that sounded rational.
Yes that's the challenging thing, sometimes you don't know or don't notice until you look back or others comment. I even remember on AM6 I swore not much was happening but when I posted progress videos others were like "what the fuck, you've changed alot".
Especially looking back these programs definately have done alot for me, wheras other things i've done are kind of like "oh yeah.. eh it might kind of be doing something".
And still even after all this time, I can easily identify others resistance and point it out.. but when i'm in the midst of it I always swear nothing is happening, that it's done nothing and such.. which is how convincing the mind is.
One thing you mentioned is definately the challenge. I'd love to be able to just live life and let it unfold, but i've found that very difficult with other programs in that i'm continually looking for things and that may likely be a specific pattern of mine. But I agree letting it run in the background and live life is ideal.
I also have trouble letting the results be sometimes, which is probably why I tried to warn you
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A few thoughts.
I seem to be guided towards taking my workouts back to what feels good for my body and helps my body feel good and move well. This happened on UH. I'd already made the decision before starting OGSF but it seems to have increased that desire.
Also interestingly it's either guiding me towards doing some cleanses/detoxes, or it cleared away some fear of doing so and presented me with the option again. Sadly the one I really wanted to do doesn't post here. And it seems the ones I can buy that aren't dodgy bs ones are in the us and not much here. The generic mainstream ones are what I believe gives detoxing and cleansing a bad name.. when in reality detoxing IS real and is a valuable and needed thing.
And i've already had this desire for 'more input' i've been putting it off thinking I should do it as described for a bit. I'm quite tired and feel worn down today, yet though last night was my 4th night on I really desire more input, and more loops. I'm wondering if I should go with it or not. I might make the final decision tonight when I goto bed as that's when I listen.
I'm walking around like a zombie, fairly tired and tense in my body. Mentally some sadness in the background, but not too bad.
Remember how sometimes, more loops = more energy because it pushes past the internal struggle. I don't know if that's the case here, but might be worth considering.
(05-03-2023, 08:22 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]Remember how sometimes, more loops = more energy because it pushes past the internal struggle. I don't know if that's the case here, but might be worth considering.
Interesting, I didn't think of that, nor have I consciously been aware of it with other programs. But I take that as a green light to already start following my desires of listening. Because i'm pretty sure I got the desire to increase after the first night of usage but I was putting it off until I stuck to the instructions for a while. But i'll go with it now.
Been fairly 'low'. I think I said a similar thing on UH, but generally when I start a new program I feel fairly good at first for a while. With OGSF i'm not.
I don't know if it's related to OGSF as i've been low physically recently too and other stuff may be impacting. But today I feel really nauseous and weak. I had the urge to put OGSF on, thinking that if I noticed a shift that it's something deep processing. About 26 minutes in and i'm not sure, but alot of sadness coming up and actually probably feeling worse than before I put it on.
If all of this is coming from OGSF, which is hard for me to confirm then no other subliminal I can think of has brought up these physical responses. Which would show how deep it's going.
Actually on a related note. On UH sometimes i'd goto bed and my shoulder would be shaking and arm moving like it's shaking something out and I also started having physio for my shoulder guided by UH. Well the same thing happened a few nights ago on OGSF. Since it has no physical healing it's lead me to think that this issue with my shoulder partly goes back to fear, or past trauma. Guilt and shame I don't know, but in this case fear and trauma seem to be most likely.
Could probably write some other things, but I barely have the energy or strength to do so. I'm just listening to OGSF and focusing on my breathing.
EDIT: Well that seems like enough proof. While listening a bit after posting this I yawned and suddenly felt alot better, the nauseous feeling left and I feel like I can try a workout now whereas before I didn't think I was physically up to it today.
Today was very weird when I went down the street. It was partly like I wasn't even there, like people getting in my way, even a car that should have let me go but didn't stop (I only say this in the context of the other things that happened, by itself usually it wouldn't mean anything), I said hi to a woman I know and held my hand out to fist bump her and she didn't even do anything was just like "I'm sorry but I have to go, i'm in a hurry" again maybe she legitimately was, but it matched the pattern of other things today. Maybe 1 or 2 similar things, all small but I noticed the weird pattern.
In general what is OGSF doing? I don't really know. A bit more openness from people at times, sometimes random people saying hi to me which didn't happen before. One thing that's keeping me going on it is that almost every night when I goto bed I have my body bring trauma up and out. Basically I did a somatic based trauma course a few years ago and part of it was allowing trauma to come up and out of your body, shaking, growling, covering your head etc basically getting the trauma out that's stuck in your body.
On past subliminals it would build up strongly over weeks or months and eventually come out intensely, on OGSF it's almost every night, but just a little bit.
I remember saying UH was alot more subtle than other programs, it took quite a bit of time to become obvious. Well now OGSF wins that by far. Some impatience, but i'm not stopping.
Started at 4 loops, at one point went to 8, then I had an urge for more. I had to make more playlists on my mp3 player and for the last 5 nights it's been 12 loops, also volume up from where I started too. I was unsure and Shannon said "follow the urge". It makes sense since I have some quite deep stuff still.
It's not "What is OGSF is doing?", it's "What are you doing in response to OGSF?"
Keep in mind that you're using three times the number of loops that are instructed, which is pretty damned crazy. We really don't know how it will work at this input level.
For anyone else reading this, DO NOT assume this is casually okay to do. It has to be definitively directed by AutoConfig.
Since the new version will be out soon I should report. I have little desire to do so on the forum but i'll make an effort to describe some things.
OGSF is very subtle, I was getting annoyed with it but it's only like month 3 I could notice some things. Still subtle.
First I seem to have been more aware of my comfort zone and how to step out of it a little. And also a very interesting realization, i'll write that after I describe other things.
Have been on a few porn binges on OGSF. I also did on UH but then I didn't at all when I was seeing a woman, but now not seeing anyone it comes up. Basically it's been that i've wanted to talk to women, been overwhelmed by the fear and frustrated and then eventually leads to porn. What's interesting, and what also happened on UH, each time that happens I then have a strong urge to turn up the volume of the subliminal.
I've been digging into it by writing and discovered a few things and made a bit of a shift in the fear lessening, but then talking to a few women briefly more fear though not as strong. It's lead me to the realization that the way I live my life reflects how women respond to me, in that if I give into fear with simple things and stay in my comfort zone, when I give into the fear and don't do that thing it's like my 'vibe' shuts down and lessens and fear becomes more.
But then if I go out of my comfort zone slightly, even on something unrelated then after that my vibe opens up and I get more attention, plus I seem to be able to talk to a few women after that where before I was blocked. For example doing physical exercises at the beach to confront caring what people think of me, then I had the urge to play with some balancing on a fence kind of thing even with people walking past. After that I talked to a few women because it lessened the fear with women.
Never had these realizations before and I feel that OGSF lead me to it.
Still I can't point to anything massive and obvious. The thing I can point to the most is something I think i've mentioned. Almost every night I have trauma come up and out of my body. Think TRE (Trauma release exercises) where you kind of shake it out, it's almost like that is automated on OGSF and through my experience with Somatic Trauma work i'm able to go with it.
A few nights ago it got very intense, growling, making sounds, tons of shaking. I even turned on my lamp and had to get up and shadow fight intensely to get it out. It seems to be a process of discharging stuck fight and flight. I felt good after. The next day my vibe seemed to be more grounded and opened up. The having to get up to shadow fight has happened 1 or 2 other times on OGSF but not on anything else. It might sound weird, but it is good.
That's been one thing that's kept me going on OGSF, the fact that I know when trauma is coming out of my body, and through my experience with somatic trauma work i'm able to go with it. It comes up like this to discharge and heal it. The thing is it's not usually obvious what the effects are, unless it's an intense one like a few nights ago. It's hard to see what it's doing day to day, but I can say for a fact this did NOT happen this much before OGSF. Even on UH it would happen occasionally, on OGSF almost every night, big sign of the trauma healing programming doing something.
Also i'm not usually aware of what that trauma is connected to other than a few times. It started with my upper body and shoulders, now it's been the lower body, and around the groin area which I know is some kind of sexual trauma, but i'm not usually aware of what specific thing it's related to. I was trying to analyze but had to take myself back to "it's okay, just stay with what's happening in my body."
Recently I had my longest amount of nights on. 8 nights on. Then 1 night off, 2 nights on and then 4 nights off. Now i'm continuing almost as usual. Sometimes earlier on 12 loops, recently 8 loops a night most nights on.
What suggestions would I have for an upgraded OGSF? -
-Patience programming, it's so subtle it's hard to know what's going on sometimes.
-Expand on trauma healing module, I don't know how exactly but with how regularly my body brings trauma up to discharge it tells me this module is valuable.
-A special focus on abandonment and rejection healing. This may be more specific to me, but I know it's quite common and it's a big part of my guilt, shame and fear and likely also for others.
-An expansion on self-esteem, self love, self forgiveness and similar.
-Forgiveness of others would be valuable, as I see that as a contributor to guilt, shame, fear, trauma.
-Since Shannon said the DRS takes up more energy, and with MM it has the grounding shield to leave more energy for execution, i'm thinking the grounding shield would be better.
DRS isn't obvious for me, nor does it seem to reflect things back. I've had a few times where someone has come at me quite strongly. I don't really get these things in person, but online. Had it earlier in the week someone come at me strongly, going off on me for expressing things and my opinion, calling me names and such, really trying to tear me down. So it either didn't do much, or it made him fight more. It's almost like sometimes it can trigger people more. I don't know how to explain it.
Can't think of any other suggestions. I'd like to be able to but i'm sure Shannon has some ideas and I look forward to the 5.11g version. I partly don't want to stop this version as it's doing things, but I will soon because I want time between them mostly so I can notice the difference between versions and observe how the 5.11g version is improved for me.
I've been having some quite strong resistance at times mostly in the form of "I want to use another program". Like Money Magnet for example, logically it makes sense that my deep programming around limitations with money are one of my biggest issues and not much has shifted it.. so I really need it cos it's the biggest point holding me back in life.
Some shifts in the last year or two in that I started a beginners martial arts class which I likely wouldn't have before, but 6 months later i'm still stuck at 3 students, not much response to posts about it. And in my other business things my motivation is on and off, for a few months I was doing well working on it every day but then I hit a point last week where I just didn't know what actions to take, and got massive frustration and almost wanting to scream and hit stuff in that moment. And since then i've missed several days working on my own things and it almost shut it down. MM should help move past things like that for me, as it's like these blockages/limiting beliefs literally block me even being able to think what to do next to move forward.
But OGSF with what it's been doing subtly, and that these emotions are pretty deep in me, i've committed to OGSF for now. Especially with a newer version.
But keep tossing up between Money Magnet, or even Maverick. Alot of the things in the description of "don't use this if" match my life, but several times especially during OGSF i've felt strongly like "I don't give a fuck, i'm so sick of my own limitations".
After exploring my resistance in writing this come up.. and it almost got me to start Maverick since it's all about reaching your full potential.
It was a few pages, but some parts that apply here..
If I reach out to life. I will be destroyed, I will be hurt, I will be bullied, picked on, I will be rejected, judged, shamed, guilted, attacked.
That if I reach out to life I might die.
I’M FUCKING SICK OF NOT REACHING MY FULL POTENTIAL.
If I die I won’t reach my full potential.
But I’m also scared of all the pain and hurt and things deep inside I’d have to face to reach my full potential, I’m scared of all the rejection, hurt and abandonment I might find, I’m scared that I’ll just be rejected MORE in the process.
If I fully engage with life, then I’m scared I might get hurt, bullied, attacked, bad things might happen, that I’ll die and then I won’t be able to reach my full potential.
But if I don’t engage with life then I won’t reach my full potential anyway.
WTF.
Why am I scared of not reaching my full potential?
Because something has always held me back, something always sabotages me and destroys my results.
I’m afraid that if I engage with life I will die and not reach my full potential.
But I’m also scared that if I reach my full potential that I might die.
Ben, thank you for taking the time to write this out. I know it's very personal for you. Few things I'd like to respond to.
Frustration at how subtle OGSF is and how long it takes to work: it's designed to go at the right speed and intensity level for you. The one that achieves results at the speed you can handle, and which continues getting results instead of over- or under-doing it and getting shut down. The speed is what you can handle. Be patient with yourself.
The suggestions look interesting, I'll consider those.
As for "I might die", at any moment a thousand things "might" happen that could or would kill you. Asteroid might hit you from space. You might get bit or stung by a poisonous insect. Car might swerve and hit you. Boxer jellyfish, shark, earthquake, volcano, tornado, and on and on. "Might" is imagination overworked. The reality is, life is for the living, and fortune favors the bold. Easier said than done when you have a situation like yours, I know, but I have come from something very similar and I both understand and know you can and will find your way out of it.
I suggest you create a recording of yourself enthusiastically speaking counters to all of what comes up based in fear. For example:
Quote:If I reach out to life. I will be destroyed, I will be hurt, I will be bullied, picked on, I will be rejected, judged, shamed, guilted, attacked.
Would become:
If I reach out to life, I can achieve unlimited happiness and success. I will be freed, happy, successful. Those who are of my vibration will accept me, and the rest don't matter. Rejection, judgement, shame and guilt only affect me if I allow them to, and I refuse to allow myself to be controlled or affected that way. I can and I choose to live without accepting guilt, shame or fear from anyone else, and I can and I choose to live without causing myself to experience guilt, shame or fear. Those who would attack me are welcome to their opinions, but I know that their opinions only matter to the degree that I allow them to matter.
Quote:That if I reach out to life I might die.
If I reach out to life, wonderful, enjoyable, happy things will happen, which will make my life abundant and successful and happy, and I am grateful for this.
Quote:I’M FUCKING SICK OF NOT REACHING MY FULL POTENTIAL.
I now use my frustration of not achieving my full potential to successfully achieve my full potential.
Quote:If I die I won’t reach my full potential.
Death is just a state transition from physical to non-physical, and is natural and inevitable. Living in fear of what is natural and inevitable simply wastes my precious time being alive hiding from what is, and that leads to a life wasted instead of achieved, experienced and enjoyed.
Quote:But I’m also scared of all the pain and hurt and things deep inside I’d have to face to reach my full potential, I’m scared of all the rejection, hurt and abandonment I might find, I’m scared that I’ll just be rejected MORE in the process.
I can and do let go of past negative experiences. I can and do let go of the pain and hurt I have experienced in the past, instead of holding on to them. I can, and do, do all the things necessary to achieve my full potential in ways and at speeds that allow me to achieve my full potential easily and comfortably. I supply myself with all of everything I want from others, which makes me impervious and immune to abandonment from others. I am unaffected by rejection from others because I accept myself and supply myself with everything that I want, which neutralizes the effects of their rejection because I have freed myself of needing their approval and permission for whatever I want and need to do. I now supply myself fully with all of the acceptance, love, approval and permission I want and need.
Quote:If I fully engage with life, then I’m scared I might get hurt, bullied, attacked, bad things might happen, that I’ll die and then I won’t be able to reach my full potential.
But if I don’t engage with life then I won’t reach my full potential anyway.
WTF.
Why am I scared of not reaching my full potential?
Because something has always held me back, something always sabotages me and destroys my results.
I’m afraid that if I engage with life I will die and not reach my full potential.
But I’m also scared that if I reach my full potential that I might die.
And so on.
Create that audio recording of yourself confidently and enthusiastically speaking these counters, and then listen to it on loop on the background while you sleep. Don't try to speed it up or anything. I guarantee you, it will have a profound impact on you over time.
Happy Birthday Benjamin! Never give up!
