(05-19-2020, 08:37 AM)UniversalMan Wrote: [ -> ] (05-19-2020, 08:21 AM)Zubrowka Wrote: [ -> ] (05-19-2020, 07:46 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]We replace old versions with new versions because new versions are designed to correct known issues in old versions. Why invite more issues when you don't have to?
I would have priced it a couple price points above what you are going to price E4 at for those that maybe don't need the FRM as much but want a broader approach than E4 will have but don't want to pay the price for LTU6.
E4: 115 usd
Ltu5: 300 usd
Ltu6: 1500 usd (increased after introduction price if you going to do that again)
Did you read what Shannon wrote?
Yes I did. And I suggested a customer group that may still be interested in the product even though it doesn't work on full efficiency compared to the latest technology. They could be more willing to wait for results as another example. Shame to throw away a fully functional product where there probebly is a relevant market for it as well, where it could work as a first product to introduce people to IML as well.
(05-19-2020, 08:42 AM)Zubrowka Wrote: [ -> ] (05-19-2020, 08:37 AM)UniversalMan Wrote: [ -> ] (05-19-2020, 08:21 AM)Zubrowka Wrote: [ -> ] (05-19-2020, 07:46 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]We replace old versions with new versions because new versions are designed to correct known issues in old versions. Why invite more issues when you don't have to?
I would have priced it a couple price points above what you are going to price E4 at for those that maybe don't need the FRM as much but want a broader approach than E4 will have but don't want to pay the price for LTU6.
E4: 115 usd
Ltu5: 300 usd
Ltu6: 1500 usd (increased after introduction price if you going to do that again)
Did you read what Shannon wrote?
Yes I did. And I suggested a customer group that may still be interested in the product even though it doesn't work on full efficiency compared to the latest technology. They could be more willing to wait for results as another example. Shame to throw away a fully functional product where there probebly is a relevant market for it as well, where it could work as a first product to introduce people to IML as well.
I understand Shannon, aiming at perfection, cause, I am like that, If I am aware that my product haves some issues...I would not stop until fixed and once that is done...the old product with issues would no longer been available and the new would replace the old.
(05-19-2020, 08:56 AM)UniversalMan Wrote: [ -> ] (05-19-2020, 08:42 AM)Zubrowka Wrote: [ -> ] (05-19-2020, 08:37 AM)UniversalMan Wrote: [ -> ] (05-19-2020, 08:21 AM)Zubrowka Wrote: [ -> ] (05-19-2020, 07:46 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]We replace old versions with new versions because new versions are designed to correct known issues in old versions. Why invite more issues when you don't have to?
I would have priced it a couple price points above what you are going to price E4 at for those that maybe don't need the FRM as much but want a broader approach than E4 will have but don't want to pay the price for LTU6.
E4: 115 usd
Ltu5: 300 usd
Ltu6: 1500 usd (increased after introduction price if you going to do that again)
Did you read what Shannon wrote?
Yes I did. And I suggested a customer group that may still be interested in the product even though it doesn't work on full efficiency compared to the latest technology. They could be more willing to wait for results as another example. Shame to throw away a fully functional product where there probebly is a relevant market for it as well, where it could work as a first product to introduce people to IML as well.
I understand Shannon, aiming at perfection, cause, I am like that, If I am aware that my product haves some issues...I would not stop until fixed and once that is done...the old product with issues would no longer been available and the new would replace the old.
.
Yeah that isn't a bad idea. But you can grab more market shares if you have a broader market offering sometimes, if there is a market for it where customers will request the products specific function, even if it's inferior to the latest technlogy. Not everyone want (or need) an iPhone Xr or iPhone 11 - they are satisfied with the iPhone SE, becsuse it offers what they need at the right price - so apple keep selling it.
(05-19-2020, 09:06 AM)Zubrowka Wrote: [ -> ] (05-19-2020, 08:56 AM)UniversalMan Wrote: [ -> ] (05-19-2020, 08:42 AM)Zubrowka Wrote: [ -> ] (05-19-2020, 08:37 AM)UniversalMan Wrote: [ -> ] (05-19-2020, 08:21 AM)Zubrowka Wrote: [ -> ]I would have priced it a couple price points above what you are going to price E4 at for those that maybe don't need the FRM as much but want a broader approach than E4 will have but don't want to pay the price for LTU6.
E4: 115 usd
Ltu5: 300 usd
Ltu6: 1500 usd (increased after introduction price if you going to do that again)
Did you read what Shannon wrote?
Yes I did. And I suggested a customer group that may still be interested in the product even though it doesn't work on full efficiency compared to the latest technology. They could be more willing to wait for results as another example. Shame to throw away a fully functional product where there probebly is a relevant market for it as well, where it could work as a first product to introduce people to IML as well.
I understand Shannon, aiming at perfection, cause, I am like that, If I am aware that my product haves some issues...I would not stop until fixed and once that is done...the old product with issues would no longer been available and the new would replace the old.
.
Yeah that isn't a bad idea. But you can grab more market shares if you have a broader market offering sometimes, if there is a market for it where customers will request the products specific function, even if it's inferior to the latest technlogy. Not everyone want (or need) an iPhone Xr or iPhone 11 - they are satisfied with the iPhone SE, becsuse it offers what they need at the right price - so apple keep selling it.
As far as I can understand Shannon, his path is not about money, but to contribute to the global changes that already took place at some slow speed, to strap the people from the veil and limitations of personal/group/global conciousness....that is how I see him and his work.
(05-19-2020, 09:30 AM)UniversalMan Wrote: [ -> ] (05-19-2020, 09:06 AM)Zubrowka Wrote: [ -> ] (05-19-2020, 08:56 AM)UniversalMan Wrote: [ -> ] (05-19-2020, 08:42 AM)Zubrowka Wrote: [ -> ] (05-19-2020, 08:37 AM)UniversalMan Wrote: [ -> ]Did you read what Shannon wrote?
Yes I did. And I suggested a customer group that may still be interested in the product even though it doesn't work on full efficiency compared to the latest technology. They could be more willing to wait for results as another example. Shame to throw away a fully functional product where there probebly is a relevant market for it as well, where it could work as a first product to introduce people to IML as well.
I understand Shannon, aiming at perfection, cause, I am like that, If I am aware that my product haves some issues...I would not stop until fixed and once that is done...the old product with issues would no longer been available and the new would replace the old.
.
Yeah that isn't a bad idea. But you can grab more market shares if you have a broader market offering sometimes, if there is a market for it where customers will request the products specific function, even if it's inferior to the latest technlogy. Not everyone want (or need) an iPhone Xr or iPhone 11 - they are satisfied with the iPhone SE, becsuse it offers what they need at the right price - so apple keep selling it.
As far as I can understand Shannon, his path is not about money, but to contribute to the global changes that already took place at some slow speed, to strap the people from the veil and limitations of personal/group/global conciousness....that is how I see him and his work.
Well in that case, by having an offering that serves a greater size of customers would help IML grow more, not less
(05-19-2020, 10:04 AM)Zubrowka Wrote: [ -> ] (05-19-2020, 09:30 AM)UniversalMan Wrote: [ -> ] (05-19-2020, 09:06 AM)Zubrowka Wrote: [ -> ] (05-19-2020, 08:56 AM)UniversalMan Wrote: [ -> ] (05-19-2020, 08:42 AM)Zubrowka Wrote: [ -> ]Yes I did. And I suggested a customer group that may still be interested in the product even though it doesn't work on full efficiency compared to the latest technology. They could be more willing to wait for results as another example. Shame to throw away a fully functional product where there probebly is a relevant market for it as well, where it could work as a first product to introduce people to IML as well.
I understand Shannon, aiming at perfection, cause, I am like that, If I am aware that my product haves some issues...I would not stop until fixed and once that is done...the old product with issues would no longer been available and the new would replace the old.
.
Yeah that isn't a bad idea. But you can grab more market shares if you have a broader market offering sometimes, if there is a market for it where customers will request the products specific function, even if it's inferior to the latest technlogy. Not everyone want (or need) an iPhone Xr or iPhone 11 - they are satisfied with the iPhone SE, becsuse it offers what they need at the right price - so apple keep selling it.
As far as I can understand Shannon, his path is not about money, but to contribute to the global changes that already took place at some slow speed, to strap the people from the veil and limitations of personal/group/global conciousness....that is how I see him and his work.
Well in that case, by having an offering that serves a greater size of customers would help IML grow more, not less and by that supporting that goal just fine.
I simply disagree.
How can you give for an example a mobile phone vs. Human evolution?
Not everybody are yet ready for those changes, not everybody are ready and willing to heal, not everybody wants to be free from the fear and terror e.c.c....
Those who are ready are somehow guided by themselves to wherever it takes in order to heal,there are always some obstacles on the way, than the determination plays the important role (eg. in this situation "I need that product and I need the best version and I will save for it and will not settle for less, cause I want the best for myself, cause I want to be the best version of myself")
If there is will, there is always a way to accomplish everything.
You wrote that not everybody are willing to pay that amount,but I would say that not everybody are ready for the changes, because of the fear of unknown.
And I would add that you are being disrespectful to the author..... If you remember how Shannon sets the price for a program, you will see that.
(05-19-2020, 10:33 AM)UniversalMan Wrote: [ -> ] (05-19-2020, 10:04 AM)Zubrowka Wrote: [ -> ] (05-19-2020, 09:30 AM)UniversalMan Wrote: [ -> ] (05-19-2020, 09:06 AM)Zubrowka Wrote: [ -> ] (05-19-2020, 08:56 AM)UniversalMan Wrote: [ -> ]I understand Shannon, aiming at perfection, cause, I am like that, If I am aware that my product haves some issues...I would not stop until fixed and once that is done...the old product with issues would no longer been available and the new would replace the old.
.
Yeah that isn't a bad idea. But you can grab more market shares if you have a broader market offering sometimes, if there is a market for it where customers will request the products specific function, even if it's inferior to the latest technlogy. Not everyone want (or need) an iPhone Xr or iPhone 11 - they are satisfied with the iPhone SE, becsuse it offers what they need at the right price - so apple keep selling it.
As far as I can understand Shannon, his path is not about money, but to contribute to the global changes that already took place at some slow speed, to strap the people from the veil and limitations of personal/group/global conciousness....that is how I see him and his work.
Well in that case, by having an offering that serves a greater size of customers would help IML grow more, not less and by that supporting that goal just fine.
I simply disagree.
How can you give for an example a mobile phone vs. Human evolution?
Not everybody are yet ready for those changes, not everybody are ready and willing to heal, not everybody wants to be free from the fear and terror e.c.c....
Those who are ready are somehow guided by themselves to wherever it takes in order to heal,there are always some obstacles on the way, than the determination plays the important role (eg. in this situation "I need that product and I need the best version and I will save for it and will not settle for less, cause I want the best for myself, cause I want to be the best version of myself")
If there is will, there is always a way to accomplish everything.
You wrote that not everybody are willing to pay that amount, but I would say that not everybody are ready for the changes, because of the fear of unknown.
I'm not - I'm making an example how you best grow your business, not regarding what it does.
I don't really understand your argument that you need to have a certain degree of determination to develop yourself, to be allowed to get something that would help you in this journey. In that case, are you upset that E3 is as cheap as it is? Wouldn't it be better to price it to 1500 USD so only the most determined would have a chance to get it?
IML and subliminals are not the common thing to turn to for help, even though that they are, by my own experience, a fully working substitute for going to a psychiatrist or doing various treatments. Imagine how many people out there who take their own lives every day, people who are depressed, people who have suffered great losses and will fall down into a pit and not get out from it, and imagine how much of human potential that are wasted because people don't understand their own value and inner potential and how many people that are unhappy in their families - while they didn't had to be.
I'm not in any doubt that subliminals work and that people can have great use of them - but it will take some smart marketing and business sense to get it out there. And the best way, as Shannon probably realized a long time ago, is to have many people use them and make them sell themselves by having people report of how they work on them. But as with everything new, there is a resistance built into how we work, some people love new things and are willing to take the leap of faith, but most aren't. And even more so if it involve any perceived risk, even if it's not factual, but based in that you can't understand how something work - just imagine if someone would bring a flashlight into the 1500-century, he would either be received as a god or as a witch and burnt in public. And not only that the product is hard to understand how it work, it also tamper with the most precious thing we have - our psyche and in by extension our sanity. So the resistance to it I would say is higher than to have people start using a phone with a touch-screen - and therefore the initial idea to have a large amount reference point - i.e. users - become even more critical. I have been on this forum for years and read probably 75% of Shannons posts, so I have grown to trust him by that, and I know that people here trust him too. But this is a slow process, growing one member at the time - some people sharing their journeys on the forum and some to their friends. But let's agree that this is maybe the best way of growing the business, even if it's slow. But you must make the most you can from this type of growth.
By that logic - having an offering that are appealing to an increased number of people - the odds of getting more customers and more reference points will speed up the growth of IML. By the reference to the same logic, marketing will be what will make IML grow past the "innovators"-group of people (
Diffusion of innovations) i.e. those who stand in line for the next iPhone to use the same analogy - and without marketing it smart - the product can be how amazing it is - but people will not necessarily buy it. The history contains numerous examples of inventions that didn't really make it - because the inventors didn't know how to market them in a way that people understood and could assimilate to. Apple is one of those that did succeed - much thanks to Steve Jobs extreme tendency to be a perfectionist and make the product one of a kind that had higher quality than it's competitors - but the real genius was in the way they could be used and how he used a narrative to explain how to use them. Remember computers weren't for the average joe before Apple came - because they weren't commercially viable. But by presenting the products in a way that people could relate to, and felt comfortable with using - he built the foundation to what Apple is today. Without the amazing products, no Apple - and without a smart marketing plan in place - no customers. It takes both things to get successful and break new ground - no company that targets
consumers will be an exception to that - and especially not one that is in the absolute forefront of a technology with the characteristics that subliminals have.
(05-19-2020, 10:54 AM)Zubrowka Wrote: [ -> ] (05-19-2020, 10:33 AM)UniversalMan Wrote: [ -> ] (05-19-2020, 10:04 AM)Zubrowka Wrote: [ -> ] (05-19-2020, 09:30 AM)UniversalMan Wrote: [ -> ] (05-19-2020, 09:06 AM)Zubrowka Wrote: [ -> ].
Yeah that isn't a bad idea. But you can grab more market shares if you have a broader market offering sometimes, if there is a market for it where customers will request the products specific function, even if it's inferior to the latest technlogy. Not everyone want (or need) an iPhone Xr or iPhone 11 - they are satisfied with the iPhone SE, becsuse it offers what they need at the right price - so apple keep selling it.
As far as I can understand Shannon, his path is not about money, but to contribute to the global changes that already took place at some slow speed, to strap the people from the veil and limitations of personal/group/global conciousness....that is how I see him and his work.
Well in that case, by having an offering that serves a greater size of customers would help IML grow more, not less and by that supporting that goal just fine.
I simply disagree.
How can you give for an example a mobile phone vs. Human evolution?
Not everybody are yet ready for those changes, not everybody are ready and willing to heal, not everybody wants to be free from the fear and terror e.c.c....
Those who are ready are somehow guided by themselves to wherever it takes in order to heal,there are always some obstacles on the way, than the determination plays the important role (eg. in this situation "I need that product and I need the best version and I will save for it and will not settle for less, cause I want the best for myself, cause I want to be the best version of myself")
If there is will, there is always a way to accomplish everything.
You wrote that not everybody are willing to pay that amount, but I would say that not everybody are ready for the changes, because of the fear of unknown.
I'm not - I'm making an example how you best grow your business, not regarding what it does.
I don't really understand your argument that you need to have a certain degree of determination to develop yourself, to be allowed to get something that would help you in this journey. In that case, are you upset that E3 is as cheap as it is? Wouldn't it be better to price it to 1500 USD so only the most determined would have a chance to get it?
IML and subliminals are not the common thing to turn to for help, even though that they are, by my own experience, a fully working substitute for going to a psychiatrist or doing various treatments. Imagine how many people out there who take their own lives every day, people who are depressed, people who have suffered great losses and will fall down into a pit and not get out from it, and imagine how much of human potential that are wasted because people don't understand their own value and inner potential and how many people that are unhappy in their families - while they didn't had to be.
I'm not in any doubt that subliminals work and that people can have great use of them - but it will take some smart marketing and business sense to get it out there. And the best way, as Shannon probably realized a long time ago, is to have many people use them and make them sell themselves by having people report of how they work on them. But as with everything new, there is a resistance built into how we work, some people love new things and are willing to take the leap of faith, but most aren't. And even more so if it involve any perceived risk, even if it's not factual, but based in that you can't understand how something work - just imagine if someone would bring a flashlight into the 1500-century, he would either be received as a god or as a witch and burnt in public. And not only that the product is hard to understand how it work, it also tamper with the most precious thing we have - our psyche and in by extension our sanity. So the resistance to it I would say is higher than to have people start using a phone with a touch-screen - and therefore the initial idea to have a large amount reference point - i.e. users - become even more critical. I have been on this forum for years and read probably 75% of Shannons posts, so I have grown to trust him by that, and I know that people here trust him too. But this is a slow process, growing one member at the time - some people sharing their journeys on the forum and some to their friends. But let's agree that this is maybe the best way of growing the business, even if it's slow. But you must make the most you can from this type of growth.
By that logic - having an offering that are appealing to an increased number of people - the odds of getting more customers and more reference points will speed up the growth of IML. By the reference to the same logic, marketing will be what will make IML grow past the "innovators"-group of people (Diffusion of innovations) i.e. those who stand in line for the next iPhone to use the same analogy - and without marketing it smart - the product can be how amazing it is - but people will not necessarily buy it. The history contains numerous examples of inventions that didn't really make it - because the inventors didn't know how to market them in a way that people understood and could assimilate to. Apple is one of those that did succeed - much thanks to Steve Jobs extreme tendency to be a perfectionist and make the product one of a kind that had higher quality than it's competitors - but the real genius was in the way they could be used and how he used a narrative on how to use them. Remember computers wasn't for the average joe before Apple came - because they wasn't commercially viable. But by presenting the products in a way that people could relate to, and felt comfortable with using - he built the foundation to what Apple is today. Without the amazing products, no Apple - and without a smart marketing plan in place - no customers. It takes both things to get successful and break new ground - no company that targets consumers will be an exception to that - and especially not one that is in the absolute forefront of a technology with the characteristics that subliminals have.
You know what, I am bored with this discussion, I was stating something else, and you are orbiting around money, and the most certain truth is that IML is not my company and for sure your's neither.
So I suggest that this discussion is finished, and it is too far away from the thread teme.
Do you agree?
I will explain my position a little more then.
When we have a subliminal that is released, and it has imperfections, I try to correct them and improve the product. In some cases, I will keep an older version of the product; for example, you can still buy a few titles in more than one generation. But in most cases, we deprecate the older versions because they are not as effective, and therefore do not reflect as well on what we are capable of doing.
5.5G and 5.75G subliminals are "in medeas res". They're unfinished technology groupings. They're more advanced, but less stable (as in, more prone to have different skeleton scripts for each release) than 5G or 4G or 3G subs because of this. I am learning a lot with each program release in the majority of cases. So if we have, for example, LTU5 and LTU6 for sale, people are going to look at them and say... "Well, why is LTU5 for sale at the same price as LTU6? Why are they different? They're both 5.75G." Every time I have to answer questions like this, it's time spent answering questions instead of making new programs. Since not everyone reads all of the forum, these questions typically get asked multiple times, too.
We have a policy that the latest generation never gets discounted. It can have a lower introductory price, but once the price is set, it never goes on sale and it never gets discounted. Having V5 and V6 in the same generation means one is significantly less capable than the other, but the price may be the same. It makes no sense. We have this policy because of certain pricing psychology principles.
Furthermore, this would result in confusion for our customers. We already have a huge library of titles, and a huge amount of information for people to read, and having multiple versions concurrently only makes any sense if they are in different generations. And then, we prefer to not keep the older generation because it is less likely to achieve the goal in most cases. Makes us look less capable than we are to be selling old technology.
Finally, whenever I build a new version of something, I try to make sure it is significantly better than the older versions, and corrects any and all known issues. Those issues relate to the refund rate for that product. We don't want customers asking for refunds, we want them asking for more subliminals. So leaving up something that will get more refund requests makes no sense.
I think it's also about the reputation of IML. If there is the cheaper LTU5 available and people buy it, they still want all of what is written about the goals of the program. If they compare it and see it wasn't working good enough or fast enough, they are not satisfied and maybe will not recommend IML to other people. Shannon wants the best products for his customers, so he does not want to have cheap in-between-versions that might lessen the perceived value of IML products.
He could do that "on sale" with explicit notes that these are special versions without refund option, I don't know how it is done at the moment when 3G titles are available.
(05-19-2020, 01:54 AM)Zubrowka Wrote: [ -> ] (05-19-2020, 01:21 AM)UniversalMan Wrote: [ -> ] (05-19-2020, 12:09 AM)AriGold Wrote: [ -> ]Wow, I read your threads and you have quite an interesting subliminal history even though you didn't post about everything. Your recent ones seem E3 and Universal Detox (for the Universal Man, haha).
The big question is, what is your goal. Just money or more focused self-development as a man?
That are just a few subliminals I did write about... (currently own...whoa I was not aware that I own 56 titles, of course all from Shannon)
Self healing/development has always been my main goal....but I really need a little bit more income (not to mention I need to get my account to positive balance and more 
)
and I would like to buy LTU5 but...the problem is not having enough money/income.
Maybe you would have money if you saved what you spent on those 56 subliminals 
Just kidding...
I've been running LTU5 for more than a year and it's awesome. If you have patience and stick with it. Shannon maybe will discount it when he release LTU6 which should not be longer than a couple of months.
If somebody is asking for advice, then please don't try to start conflict by trying to insult him and pretending 'oh it's just a joke' then going off on an unrelated rant that he obviously doesn't want to hear.
(05-24-2020, 08:18 PM)Benjamin Wrote: [ -> ] (05-19-2020, 01:54 AM)Zubrowka Wrote: [ -> ] (05-19-2020, 01:21 AM)UniversalMan Wrote: [ -> ] (05-19-2020, 12:09 AM)AriGold Wrote: [ -> ]Wow, I read your threads and you have quite an interesting subliminal history even though you didn't post about everything. Your recent ones seem E3 and Universal Detox (for the Universal Man, haha).
The big question is, what is your goal. Just money or more focused self-development as a man?
That are just a few subliminals I did write about... (currently own...whoa I was not aware that I own 56 titles, of course all from Shannon)
Self healing/development has always been my main goal....but I really need a little bit more income (not to mention I need to get my account to positive balance and more )
and I would like to buy LTU5 but...the problem is not having enough money/income.
Maybe you would have money if you saved what you spent on those 56 subliminals
Just kidding...
I've been running LTU5 for more than a year and it's awesome. If you have patience and stick with it. Shannon maybe will discount it when he release LTU6 which should not be longer than a couple of months.
If somebody is asking for advice, then please don't try to start conflict by trying to insult him and pretending 'oh it's just a joke' then going off on an unrelated rant that he obviously doesn't want to hear.
Not trying to start anything. Sometimes you need to hear what you don't want to hear to learn a thing or two. How are people supposed to grow if they are protected from the reality of things?
Have a nice day