dmsi so far so good.... (Afzal/Dzemoos run)

[JackOfHearts]

I lost all respect for you when you posted nonsense in Frosted's thread that time. To break it down, Frosted was talking about how he wanted to make money online. Chaos was kind enough to give some of his knowledge for free and provided enough proof to show us he's not full of shit. Frosted were free to do what he wanted with that intel.

You started slamming Chaos for being a know-it-all and trying to impose his beliefs on to the kid. That's crazy. And that's why I usually ignore everything you write. Your posts are often failed attempts to be rational. In other words, not your original thought tested by real experience.

You hinted that Dzemoo thinks like a woman, better go check yourself potna


Edit, yeah, opinions and constructive criticism is welcomed by most here, but you were definitely imposing faulty assumptions onto him. Like you said yourself, you're not him. you will not be percieved by other people the way he does.

I didn't even realize it was a talk about money that day. So if it was about money and I doubt it was because this is my most problematic area in my life. So if it was about money the argument I was having with Chaos I would say that I was wrong that day. But If that argument was about money I think I would have noticed. I think it was about love if I remember.

Though on the other hand I had thought recently about asking Chaos for advice about internet marketing because I'm creating a website since a week or 2. This was when I saw Catman giving advice to Sarge.

You lose respect for little arguments like your life depends on it. Don't you know people make mistake sometimes. I'm not saying I made a mistake here but if I did you shouldn't make that kind of harsh decision on it. Do you expect people to be perfect? I don't, that's why when I read your journal even if I strongly disagree with it sometimes I go back to read it if I may have misjudge something or someone. I don't expect myself to be perfect and I don't expect you to be either. So even with all that conversation going on here, maybe tomorrow we will agree with something. And if we don't no big deal.

[JackOfHearts]

Anyone who thinks me and sicko are posting our experiences to show off and proove we are better than he is very childish and dumb

I post my experience because i saw you as my online buddys and community but it seems some of you are not thinking the same was around, i am happy for you when i read your success stories and dont doubt them but it seems its not the same from your side

But seeing this attacks and hate and jealous coming out of nothing shows me that i am hitting a good point with my dmsi run because that always happens when things are going well for me

Its seems this community only gives you sympathy and support when you are down and or completly clueless while the once having success and achieving the programms goal are called confused and get prophecys like ' you wont achieve happiness with this' oh i am so . Scared of it lol i wonder while alle the guys here run attraction subs when it seems they just want spirtual fullfillment

I don't think you are posting to show off. But when you seems to insinuate you are better because you slept with more women you are going downhill to me. Sleeping with more women doesn't make you a better man, it means you are better at sleeping with more women.

[Dzemoo]

I didnt say i am better than you because i slept with more women thats what you think and reveald it right now. Dont try to change things to your benefit. But this conversation and your arguments and the fact you came to me with this shit shows me that i am indeed better.

[Sickologist]

Sleeping wth more women than the next guy makes you more attractive than the next guy. This is a sociatal norm. You can delude yourself into thinking different, but think about it. Dzemoo is not this maniac you guys make him out to be. It takes serious confidence and self worth to be able to seduce women the aggressive way.

Ultimately, we're tired of hearing all this stuff about "happiness", being zen" etc. We want results, we want to level up, we're going paces. Why is that so hard to understand?

I'm not knocking people who want to live in mediocrity, but I also don't appriciate those who question my lifestyle. Dzemoos has also touched on this, this is our main issue with some of you guys. you'd had to walk a few miles to understand where we're coming from. The environment I grew up in is dark, ain't all roses and sunshine and I made my choices to secure a level of success based on the shitty hand I was dealth.

I'm my own biggest critic, so I usually disregard opinions, unless they come from someone who actually knows what they're talking about.

Me and Dzemoo have our reasons for being the wa we are. We didn't come from priviliged backgrounds, but we're very ambitious people.

[AlphaScorpio]

Sleeping wth more women than the next guy makes you more attractive than the next guy. This is a sociatal norm. You can delude yourself into thinking different, but think about it. Dzemoo is not this maniac you guys make him out to be. It takes serious confidence and self worth to be able to seduce women the aggressive way.

Ultimately, we're tired of hearing all this stuff about "happiness", being zen" etc. We want results, we want to level up, we're going paces. Why is that so hard to understand?

I'm not knocking people who want to live in mediocrity, but I also don't appriciate those who question my lifestyle. Dzemoos has also touched on this, this is our main issue with some of you guys. you'd had to walk a few miles to understand where we're coming from. The environment I grew up in is dark, ain't all roses and sunshine and I made my choices to secure a level of success based on the shitty hand I was dealth.

I'm my own biggest critic, so I usually disregard opinions, unless they come from someone who actually knows what they're talking about.

Me and Dzemoo have our reasons for being the wa we are. We didn't come from priviliged backgrounds, but we're very ambitious people.

Thing is, what can people who came from "healthy" backgrounds do? Can't just unlearn all that shit, you and Dzeemo came from the shit, you had to become tough, you had to become badass to survive. Whilst I came from a good background, privileged etc. I am dark and fucked up as well but there's something that stops me from being dark and fucked up in the outside world. I need to find out what that is, cause I'd be fucking all sorts of chicks if I did. I can understand you and Dzeemo, but you guys gotta see it from the other perspective too, what the fuck is even "healthy" these days? I'd pay to learn the real way of getting results.

[CatMan]

Though on the other hand I had thought recently about asking Chaos for advice about internet marketing because I'm creating a website since a week or 2. This was when I saw Catman giving advice to Sarge.

I don't mean to interrupt anything, but thank you for mentioning that, Alpha360. I took some time to help Sarge out, I love doing that with people that seem genuinely interested in learning. After awhile, it is almost MORE fun helping others achieve their goals than getting more and more of the same old.

Thanks again for the mention.

[JackOfHearts]

I didnt say i am better than you because i slept with more women thats what you think and reveald it right now. Dont try to change things to your benefit. But this conversation and your arguments and the fact you came to me with this shit shows me that i am indeed better.

I don't care if you are better than me Dzeemo. I don't even know what we are comparing exactly anyway so even if I cared I couldn't tell.

[Shannon]

Dzemoo, your reference to "my religious leader is better that this other religious leader" (although I don't think Confucius was a religious leader, he was a philosopher if memory serves) is exactly what we are trying to prevent with Rule 4. We don't want people arguing about religion, who is the better or more correct religious leader, etc. It breeds flames (also against the rules) and destroys community unity.

[Dzemoo]

Dzemoo, your reference to "my religious leader is better that this other religious leader" (although I don't think Confucius was a religious leader, he was a philosopher if memory serves) is exactly what we are trying to prevent with Rule 4. We don't want people arguing about religion, who is the better or more correct religious leader, etc. It breeds flames (also against the rules) and destroys community unity.

There actually is a religion in china that is build on the concepts of confizius and even called like that, thats why i ddint say prophet Mohammed but mohammed since he was not only a religiois leader but a warlord and leader/king in the traditional way because he ruled the arabic island and so i was refering to him as a historical person and not religious leader also then quote didnt contain anything religious, if you still think its wrong i can edit it

[Duke.Togo]

Sicko, neither you nor Dzemoo should have to explain yourselves or your beliefs to anyone on this forum.

I also came from a dark place and I actually am grateful for my early life experiences. They shaped me into who I am and I enjoy embracing those parts of my personality. Its why I can write the way I do, it's why I think the way that I do, and it's why I approach life the way I do.

Furthermore, you're right, you are who you are and you have your approaches. And, because this sub is designed to get women attracted to you and have sex with you - in that respect, it hasn't hit its goals. Healing and clearing is good - and I actually enjoyed that aspect of the sub more, but the effectiveness of getting someone laid on a repeated basis hasn't happened yet.

You're not wrong for highlighting those points.

And I also agree with you regarding the PUA community. As the old saying goes, even a broken clock tells the right time twice a day.

The thing that disappoints me more than all of that though is the blatant racism that was considered acceptable by RisingSon. He basically blasted every minority and even called on Chaos. Hell, I'm a minority. I didn't expect to come into any of that in this community.

I have enjoyed what DMSI has done for me, but after looking back at the effectiveness of the goals and reading many people's journals, I do think that 2.3 hit the goals more effectively. 2.4 has become something else entirely - and it has several positive points that I was able to get from using it, but, it hasn't been very effective overall on the attraction side. Perhaps it can be released as a mood enhancer or another type of healing sub all in and of itself, and perhaps from that perspective it would stop this debate.

At the end of the day, people who purchased this sub, purchased it with the intent of getting laid. Anyone who chides someone else on their ability to hit the very goal that they themselves wanted, is being a hypocrite.

I apologize to you and Dzemoo if any of my posts on this thread had offended either of you, since I was the one who made the suggestion for you guys to stay on 2.3.

I am also going to practice some of what I preach and go back to using 2.3 myself. After looking back at my initial journal and reviewing what happened in 2.4, there's a stark difference. For the objective of getting women, DMSI v2.3 is the one that works for me. For the objective of potentially dealing with thoughts that related back to my youth and clearing away some of my misgivings, 2.4 was effective for that.

I'll go back to 2.4 at some point in the future perhaps.

Anyway, with regards to meeting the goals that this sub is designed to do, I think you and Dzemoo actually have the most legitimate say with it.

[Shannon]

I'm just pointing it out so you can be aware of it for the future.

[Shannon]

There is a lot of rule breaking going on in the last posts. Let's all go read the rules, and then adjust our posts where they violate those rules.

[Dzemoo]

Just deleted it too tired to figure out whats wrong..

[Benjamin]

I'm not sure if Shannon meant this but Sickologist and Dzemoo this really applies, you've taken peoples comments and overreacted to them and full on started attacking people in a few of those posts.

Rules 5/6/7/8 "Flaming" others, flame wars, and unnecessary rudeness and arguing are prohibited.
Flaming others, flame wars and rudeness are never necessary.
Disagreements are inevitable; civility is required. Be kind, polite and considerate to each other at all times.
Have decorum. Use appropriate and clean language. This is a public forum where we discuss things in a civil (and hopefully friendly) manner, not a barbarian camp.

Disagreeing is fine, but some of your comments towards members today have been unwarranted.