Why Am needs Women Manifestation and why we need Girlfriend magnet

[Dzemoo]

After 3 years of women attraction sub i learned that a man can never be alpha towards one woman if she is his only option. I am now starting to believe that alphaness towards women has nothing to do with you inner game or character traits it only has to do something with your options you have. The time i was alpha towards women during the runs was when i had multiple girls simultinously so if one gave me drama it didnt bother me. Real alphaness helps you with the struggles of your life and in dealing with other men but not with women.The only thing that helps with women is having options. Thats why i think the alpha sub is incomplete because it makes you alpha in every area except women, the sub that made me most alpha towards women was wm2 because it gave me options through manifestations regardless of other charactertraits it evolves.

Thats why the quran says "marry 2,3 or 4 women but if you think you cant handle them marry only one" it has a reason why this was suggested but living in a society where monogamy is preached we men are pretty much cut off of our power women have the power in this area because she knows if she is good looking she automaticly has options, if your ex leaves you she will easly find someone to fuck/lover her and so on but you will have to do all the work.. So you either need to have options or you have to feel as if you have options to attract women.

thats why ryans suggestion for girlfriend magnet was good but regarding what shannon is working on right now it will take years to get such a programm

[dweller94]

After 3 years of women attraction sub i learned that a man can never be alpha towards one woman if she is his only option. I am now starting to believe that alphaness towards women has nothing to do with you inner game or character traits it only has to do something with your options you have. The time i was alpha towards women during the runs was when i had multiple girls simultinously so if one gave me drama it didnt bother me. Real alphaness helps you with the struggles of your life and in dealing with other men but not with women.The only thing that helps with women is having options. Thats why i think the alpha sub is incomplete because it makes you alpha in every area except women, the sub that made me most alpha towards women was wm2 because it gave me options through manifestations regardless of other charactertraits it evolves.

Thats why the quran says "marry 2,3 or 4 women but if you think you cant handle them marry only one" it has a reason why this was suggested but living in a society where monogamy is preached we men are pretty much cut off of our power women have the power in this area because she knows if she is good looking she automaticly has options, if your ex leaves you she will easly find someone to ****/lover her and so on but you will have to do all the work.. So you either need to have options or you have to feel as if you have options to attract women.

thats why ryans suggestion for girlfriend magnet was good but regarding what shannon is working on right now it will take years to get such a programm

I know exactly what you are saying, it's that one area where I lack the 'choices'.. Hence I just wanted the AYPG in 5G, It's hard to 'not care' when you're choices are limited this is when you get pretty much f*cked in the process.

[Nox]

Only having one woman is not an option, so you're correct. The option is when this woman or none are both acceptable, and then the options are there again which creates the unneedy mindset. You're setting yourself up for failure by thinking that there has to be a woman involved. Women do the same thing when they have to have a man in their life.

[JackOfHearts]

I would have prefer to have women manifestation too. The previous AM had women manifestation, I think it was before AM5 or the version before that one.

But Shannon did well by doing that. I think it's possible to have a state were you feel alpha even if the girl have choice and you don't. You have to be confident enough about your ability, your greatness that no matter what she do to manipulate you, you don't care. AM6 do that on purpose, so that you don't rely on external validation. It's not easy though. I know that feeling because my Ex purposefully did that with me, she try to make me jealous by telling me how great her new man f* her, but it doesn't seem to work I begin to think that relying on others people as validation, having choice or manipulating people with that is lame. Seeing how my Ex do that, I now see her as having a very low value in my book.
Don't you think it is a bit like that Dzemoo? I think relying on choice makes you a normal person, prone to fate, to external factor that you won't always be able to control. Like someone relying on his money instead of relying on his ability to make money no matter what happen.

I think what Shannon would say and what he actually said was that AM6 is about you and not girls. He even said something like looking for a girlfriend
while doing AM6 is contradictory to AM6 goal.

But yeah I would have prefer to have woman manifestation in AM6, maybe he could create both version if it doesn't require too much work.

Edit: I think it's even more profound than that actually. For girls it's okay to rely on external factor because it's the way they are supposed to behave.
As feminine energy is meant to work in this manner, they need others, they crave relationship and can't live without it.
As a man you are supposed to be that rock, that home, that big structure which no matter what happens will stay grounded. Relying on external factor makes you a woman.
But every men has a feminine side too so it's okay to crave relationship from time to time. And if a man is only masculine, like 100% masculine he won't be able to have a social life, he wouldn't care about others life.

[Dzemoo]

yeah its like guys having the asberger syndrom where the brain is too masculine obviously they are not that successful or happy in life...


tonight i had an interesting dream i want to share with you, in my dream i decided to go to party in frankfurt am main (a bigger town near my town/ where i met my ex) i got in the bus, the bus driver drove to the destination and went out the bus to smoke a cigarette and take a break. I went out and realized i have no shoes any more so i was walking barefoot on the sidewalk but it wasnt uncomfortable it felt good and i didnt feel ashamed having no shoes, but i still went back to the bus to ask the driver if i have left my shoes in there he pointed out to the seat where i sat and said "look there perhaps you lost them" . I went to my seat and saw a pair of broken green glass shoes. When i woke up i remembered my ex and said "its over babe" and felt like she had no power over me anymore and like i forgive her.

I then opened my book of Ibn Sirin (who was one of the biggest interpreter of dreams and read what the symbols in the dream mean. Thats what stood there:

Being barefoot: symbolizes tiredness, disappearence of worries or divorce with your wife or her death. If you dream walking barefoot but didnt see how you put off your shoes this symbolizes a gain of power and influence

glass/things made of glass : symbolizes a women, your wealth or a lie. Wearing a thing mad of glass deception.

color green: symbolizes worries and sadness

So i interpret that dream that either my ex died for real (she was mentally ill, a drug addict and had psychic problems for years / i dont wish her that ) or her influence on me died, the combination of these symbols make totaly sense for me thats her the dream is refering to.

[Ricardo]

I know exactly what you are saying, it's that one area where I lack the 'choices'.. Hence I just wanted the AYPG in 5G, It's hard to 'not care' when you're choices are limited this is when you get pretty much f*cked in the process.

You and Dzemoo have got that right. That is exactly what I was thinking doing AM6.

AM6 is already ready probably to big to include new stuff but I would happily lose a few AM6 traits if they were replaced with women manifestation ones

[AriGold]

Let's assume AM is not going to be rebuilt in quite some time.
You want Women Manifestation - like a magnet? What's wrong with woman magnet? Because it makes you less alpha?
What exactly is missing in woman magnet? And don't say "alphaness" - should Shannon add a line like "I am more alpha" in the script? Is that useful? You want choices, WM can get you those.

[JackOfHearts]

I know exactly what you are saying, it's that one area where I lack the 'choices'.. Hence I just wanted the AYPG in 5G, It's hard to 'not care' when you're choices are limited this is when you get pretty much f*cked in the process.

You and Dzemoo have got that right. That is exactly what I was thinking doing AM6.

AM6 is already ready probably to big to include new stuff but I would happily lose a few AM6 traits if they were replaced with women manifestation ones

There is already a manifestation in AM6, and only one is possible at a time. So to do it Shannon have to remove the friend manifestation.

[CatMan]

I took a lot of time to make this comment. Because I think maybe I can lend something to this thread. So I wanted to concentrate and write something hopefully of value.

I agree with a lot of what AriGold is saying.

AM, isn't about women, it's exactly the OPPOSITE of women. As, most guys are too obsessed with women to begin with, that's their problem. AM gets you to self mastery, self validation, and no more chasing women for sex and validation for your identity. I can speak as an authority on this as I've been chasing women for validation for my identity my whole life. Up until subs, it was probably one of the biggest reasons for my failures with girls. You know, the whole "getting the hot girl so people will be impressed, and so you will be fulfilled, because alone you aren't enough" garbage thinking so many men have. That's the garbage AM removes. So, by DESIGN, it isn't supposed to be about women. Even what's in there to deal with women seems superflous to the AM goal and waters down the program a bit. But, obviously, that was no doubt put in there due to pressure from guys complaining about not getting women, on a program designed to focus on YOU...and NOT women. A bit funny when you think about it...but anyway. So I think Shannon decided to placate a bit and put in some stuff there, but make it purely in the background and mostly near the end of the program, after the main programming has been done. And focusing on the main goal being self mastery/self validation, which when internalised, ends up giving you attraction indirectly anyway.

And Dzemoo, you seem to have the belief that women can be the only ones who have options. When a man develops himself, he becomes attractive and "has options" too. That isn't only women who have that. It's just easier for them to, because men are visual creatures and if a girl is half-cute, and has a decent bodyfat% below 20%, and since by nature the men approach the women so she will be approached often if she meets that criteria, she can have lots of options. But, since women judge men based off internal characteristics more than attractiveness (not to say they don't judge attraction, obviously it just seems to be lower priority), and because even if they're into a guy they typically will NOT make the first move, it means a man needs to develop himself in order to "have options". I've seen tons of guys have options with cute girls. I don't, yet, but I've seen it often enough to know beyond a shadow of a doubt it can go both ways, guys can have options too. So, don't beat yourself up and think they're all ethereal. Trust me, it's better to be a guy, at least we can increase our value at ANY time. Women, if they aren't attractive, they have little to increase their value with sadly. Moreover, even if they ARE attractive, their attraction still has a time window of effectiveness, closing a little every year past the middle of puberty or so, until she's virtually ignored by the massive majority of males. So, overall, it isn't all that being in their position, they peak high and early and quickly falloff if they peak at ALL. Whereas we're on much more solid, stable ground overtime on a solidly upward curve, if starting lower and slower.

I will say also, that porn and masturbation have been shown to promote this thought of pedestalising and thinking women are ethereal and out of reach and being prone to external validation. I don't know how it happens, maybe because both are done virtually either through a screen or by fantasising. So, since you never really PHYSICALLY interact with women in these scenarios, maybe your subconscious thinks of them as unable to be reached or not real which creates this kind of belief system. I don't know, I'm not an expert on the subconscious...but thankfully...I know someone who is lol ...I just know that as soon as I've cut out both of those addictions, things have started to change. Which falls in line with what the research and studies from Dr. Wilson, and others quitting both addictions have shown. And, they're the only two variables that have been changed since finishing SM3.

These subs are the best thing going. AM6 for me got rid of my terrible external validation obsession and chasing girls so much. Now it's amazing how much of a change I have, and how little they impact my life. Not only do they impact my life little compared to before, but I'm HAPPY too. It's easy to be single, but to be HAPPY and single is amazing, I've never had this. Before subs, I lusted after them and thought they were amazing and based my identity off of them and their opinion of me and my worth as a man was tied to that. And wanted options, until I realised that could also just be a sign of scarcity mentality and fear of losing them and so if I had tons around, then it wouldn't matter or something. Also, a sign of external validation, wanting to be the guy with all the chicks which would impress people and other girls, and myself. Sounds like external validation to me, so no go. I quickly realised that I don't want "options", I ultimately want "quality". I don't need a harem or options at all to validate me now either. I can be happy and fulfilled alone, or happy and fulfilled dating an epic girl. Either way, I'm good now. I've never been able to say that before.

I would say, maybe another run of AM6 can fix this thinking for you. I got it done in one round of AM6, but yet I still seem to have fears about girls, no doubt due to past experiences. So, Shannon recommended OF 5G to address this, and said it's the reason SM3 failed me. I'm planning to do 4,000 hours of OF 5G, before returning to AM6 and another big 3,600 hour run, and maybe even trying a magnet again for 3,600 hours after all of my development work I've done. I hope to be ready to be able to get serious benefit out of it then. My last sticking point is fear it seems, as I've dealt with the external validation thing already. So, I'm very excited to see what the future brings as I continue my transformation, I'm getting closer to the man I wanted to be when I started in Sept. '14! It seems thankfully I no longer have external validation problems with girls. And, if ***I*** can get rid of that, anybody can . After that magnet run if I do it, I'll probably be where I dreamed of being when I started subs, or maybe even beyond!

We're all gonna make it, friend!

[Dzemoo]

@ari gold am is better suited for being run long term because it improves your life overall wm makes you a bit too much of a party boy. But if it dont has women manifestation its incomplete because women are much more important for a men thann male friends. If someone thinks something different then he is a little preschool boy who needs to grow up or try to impregnate one of his male friends and make a family lol.

On wm i had more friends than on am why? Because guys go there where the chicks are if a guy is good with women the guys want to be good with him. So friends manifestation is useless when you can have women manifestation.

And of course am concentrates on you, but so does Ltu so i can rather run ltu and have the same life improving effects without alphaness, getting aggressiv and eventually in fights with guys and bosses and dont care about women and in the end even feel better.

So i dont see what use am has, if you dont want to care about women and concentrate on yourself then go and let your balls removed by a doctor like Nikola Tesla that would be much more effective and work faster

[CatMan]

That's funny, but I never said to not care. Just to remove the over-interest in them, which is what AM is supposed to do. Magnets deal with women, AM is about you. They both need to be balanced in the mind to work, maybe another run of AM is needed to do that.

Anyway, I don't think I have anything more to offer. Just took some time to offer some different perspectives.

["Q"]

...but so does Ltu so i can rather run ltu and have the same life improving effects without alphaness, getting aggressiv and eventually in fights with guys and bosses and dont care about women and in the end even feel better.

On the assumption that "like attracts like", has anyone noticed that with LTU, relationships with women that are synergistically positive & happy have "manifested" - less emphasis on power & domination, more on just joy & happiness

[Dzemoo]

...but so does Ltu so i can rather run ltu and have the same life improving effects without alphaness, getting aggressiv and eventually in fights with guys and bosses and dont care about women and in the end even feel better.

On the assumption that "like attracts like", has anyone noticed that with LTU, relationships with women that are synergistically positive & happy have "manifested" - less emphasis on power & domination, more on just joy & happiness

many guys reported increased attraction from women with ltu some even said they got a girlfriend on it

[dweller94]

That's funny, but I never said to not care. Just to remove the over-interest in them, which is what AM is supposed to do. Magnets deal with women, AM is about you. They both need to be balanced in the mind to work, maybe another run of AM is needed to do that.

Anyway, I don't think I have anything more to offer. Just took some time to offer some different perspectives.

hmm yeah, it does help big time with self-sufficiency. AM does it's job nevertheless the girls that you do know during AM well for me seen x, y & z in me and wanted to commit but the manifestation part.. I'm sure AM does quite a bit and covers it all just the internal resistance (fear for me) is holding me back, I am not going to deny it AM offered me more opportunities then I have seen in my entire life and 'me' not taking them is my own fault.

This illusion of fear ...