09-16-2012, 04:41 PM
Are you talking about the unburnt gas that you cannot actually see?
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09-18-2012, 05:32 AM
(09-16-2012, 04:41 PM)tinygargoyle Wrote: Are you talking about the unburnt gas that you cannot actually see? Am I? When you fully understand the question, and the answer, it will be no longer a question when you answer.
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09-20-2012, 10:12 AM
An upside down teardrop shape with reds, oranges, and yellows.
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09-21-2012, 09:34 AM
I have not figured it out but this is what Shannon is getting at:
[attachment=67] I could be wrong.. but this is soo deep I'll watch the flame again.. then contemplate on these statements.
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09-21-2012, 10:14 AM
When you look at the flame, you're not seeing the flame: you're seeing the light it gives off.
When you feel the flame with your hand, you're not feeling the flame, you're feeling the heat it gives off. When you smell the smoke, after extinguishing, you're not smelling the flame, you're interpreting the particles that have landed on your olfactory buds in your nose. This has all been translated by your mind into the picture, the thermo-tactile sensation (yes, I made that up), and the smell, but it is NOT the flame. It's the energy given off by the flame. Much like the fear post from Revolver, you've been tricked into believing that you see the flame, you feel the flame, and you smell the flame. Just like the fear is not really you, what you see, smell, and feel isn't really the flame. "There is no spoon."
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09-21-2012, 10:35 AM
That's pretty much what I said under "Hazard" apparently it wasn't correct with Shannon's exercise
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09-22-2012, 01:49 PM
Pretty much isn't precise. Sean has it.
Now... what is the light and heat to the flame? And what is the flame itself?
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09-22-2012, 02:12 PM
I see the Matrix.
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09-22-2012, 03:20 PM
(09-21-2012, 10:14 AM)Sean Wrote: When you look at the flame, you're not seeing the flame: you're seeing the light it gives off. lol that is what i meant but i guess im bad at describing things i have inside my braintrain.
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09-22-2012, 07:07 PM
The light and the heat are the energy given off by the flame transformed into visual and thermal energy.
The flame is nothing but energy. As you peel back the layers of what it isn't, the flame is neither heat, nor light, nor are the oxygen and wax that fuel it. The only thing remaining is energy.
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09-22-2012, 08:03 PM
(This post was last modified: 09-22-2012, 08:21 PM by rayrocanaldo.)
(09-22-2012, 07:07 PM)Sean Wrote: The light and the heat are the energy given off by the flame transformed into visual and thermal energy. My mind is making me see what it looks like and EVERYTHING is perception. Therefore the flame is not an illusion . It is and exists but is what I perceive it to be. My mind's perception of EVERYTHING creates my reality. So the flame is not what I don't THINK it is but is what I perceive it to be. Subliminal changes a person's perception to accept a new perception/belief about himself or the world around him. So what I see is what I believe and what I don't see is what I don't believe( what it is not even if I see it.). So the flame is my perception of it and the feelings about it will probably be determined by my perception of it. How I interpret anything is determined by my perception of it. Dunno if this is right though.
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09-23-2012, 12:36 PM
The flame is the image representing heat and light together.
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08-04-2016, 05:01 AM
Bump.
Did anybody try it amongst current forum members?
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08-04-2016, 05:42 AM
So the answer is that the flame is just energy? I didn't expect that this could be the right answer.
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