Thanks for that post, Determined. I appreciate it, and see some interesting insight in there. I did some nodding during that in agreement...believe me. I'm in a unique situation that others on the forum don't understand often. It's frustrating to have to repeat myself on certain things, or just having a vastly different perspective on either side. But still feeling qualified somehow to dictate what the other should do despite never having that perspective and understanding the WHY behind the reasoning, but that's life, I guess.
Thor, you seem to be assuming too much. I'm not sitting home doing nothing expecting Axe Effect out of nowhere from my front door or something, lol. I've never claimed that once, that would be ridiculous. I've also said I put myself out there constantly, at least once a week. Thing is, I just don't seem to have the "urge" to push and chase for women anymore. Now that's either the IDGAF (That I've had for about 6-9 months now at least, which others have finally started mentioning. Giving more traction to me continuing to believe, for a long time now, that I'm NOT the "resister". And actually was ahead of the curve, I just posted more rationally and accurate and didn't get carried away by small things, inadvertently obscuring the truth by being written off with confirmation bias. The extreme, and debilitating exhaustion that wrecked my lifestyle even...that I felt on V3.0.1, and on V3.1 at times as well, now finally being reported in V3.2 often, is giving me further cause to believe this.), or I'm just over it and fed up with rejection and what not. I'm not sure which. I just know I don't go out of my way for girls anymore and it feels good to no longer focus so much on them, get my power back, and not feel defined by my success or failure with them and always trying to "get" them or "be good enough" for them. Being so ridiculously preoccupied with them, but still failing with them has been damaging to my mental health and self esteem etc. I don't think there's much of a payoff to them for me, hasn't been so far so I don't focus on them anymore like I did way back. You get bored of reaching for the cheese and being shocked every time, even after constantly being enticed to do so, and how it's different and what not.
Even last weekend, I was talking with a brand new beautiful girl who apparently will be there sometimes when I return to that place. Flirting and what not for a reasonable time, enjoying it. As I've often said, my social skills ARE NOT the problem. They never have been. People always assume I'm the quiet introverted stereotype here for some reason that needs to just "get out there and it'll all work out", even though I've refuted it dozens of times. Social stuff is not my problem. Anyway, things SEEMED good, got the number easily, but that hasn't been my problem in the past either. Then didn't respond to my text, a small simple one with some callback humour and one she knew was coming too. A common occurrence for me, things seem good then just magically die, but it doesn't affect me anymore as I'm so used to it happening. This whole "chase" thing I've done for decades, I'm tired of, to me it doesn't pay off and hurts my self worth when it doesn't as it tends to affect me a lot and I dwell etc. so it isn't healthy. I'm tired of it. So I don't bother now. That was a spur of the moment thing due to her demeanor, and weirdly the interaction died right after initial momentum as she didn't reply at all. None of it lasts, it's good "in the moment", but there is no real attraction after, or initiative from them after. Now, in the past, I'd push harder to "make up" for her lack of initiative, "be the man and chase", which just makes them pull back harder, and it's ruined more so. I just don't seem to have the interest or zest for them anymore after decades of it all, seems like such a waste of my time, energy and money, awful waste. I'm tired of always jumping through hoops, and still never being deemed good enough somehow and being attractive, it's ridiculous and I resent the pedestalisation of chasing/jumping through hoops, and will no longer contribute to it. I think I'm a pretty decent dude, not perfect but decent at least. So if I'm always being down rated somehow and never "the hot guy" they actually want, at some point I stop bothering to please them as it seems like an unequal exchange and not worth it to me. I concentrate on myself and my main issue in my life now, which is fixing this new company. That to me is far more relevant and important, and will actually pay dividends to me for time, energy, money spent on it, instead of just wasting all 3 of those like girls have. That company is my number one focus in life now until it's fixed. I've been in tunnel vision since the post speaking of it. I can't risk any exhaustion from subs again during this crisis period so I've been very concerned with any signs of the extreme exhaustion I've felt before. I need to be focused to right the ship. Very serious situation, but I'm positive I can straighten things out in time.
However...ALL of this was covered already in that post you quoted. I've had some dreams and what not, after massive insane dedication my pounds are finally coming back off from V3.1's 34 pounds of fat put on. About 8 pounds to go. Other than that, not much else in line with design goal...which...as you know...is to have attractive women approach me for sex and do the heavy lifting to make it happen. However, to report on what's relevant to the design goal's aim, I naturally look for that. That doesn't mean I do nothing and expect Axe Effect, I'm still out in social situations, I've just long since lost interest in pushing and chasing all the time trying to get women, and just enjoy myself and do what I want and no longer focused on "women women women women omg I need women to like me, and need them to bang me, in order to feel complete or like a man". I don't like giving them so much power over me, I've done that for decades and it never got me anywhere with them, and made me feel terrible about myself to boot when it all failed. I'd report on other "interesting" things, but I don't know if I've experienced too much of that other than what I've posted. Decent but somewhat intermittent internal effects, not much if any REAL external results with attractive women. Seems to be the same thing still, the nice/funny/charming guy, but no real sexual attraction from them or initiative to do anything about sexual attraction if it exists. That used to pain me to write things like that, but it doesn't do much anymore to me. I feel very "meh" about girls, just tired of never being deemed good enough, so just unplugging from the rat race for female attention and validation.
Still not sold on this program, I admit I still don't believe this program can ever work to make what I consider to be attractive females, somehow aggressively pursue me for sex now etc., seems way too much of a fairy tale to me still. I'm still not a believer in it, sorry, I'm just being upfront and honest. Other than outliers or guys already capable of getting attraction and sex from women/attractive women before subs and thus obviously invalidating any data on whether DMSI did anything, not to mention party/club situations with drugs or alcohol naturally reducing inhibitions and lubricating situations...I haven't seen much to change my mind on that. Both with my own experiences, and other's. We'll see what happens going forward, I find myself always reverting back to saying the two words "we'll see" with each version update, but it's true. I hope to become a believer someday, otherwise I wouldn't bother using it.
I didn't want to post this as often my posts create tension or drama etc. so I didn't want to and chose to keep it to myself. But, given that it's been awhile, and wanting to reply to posts as others took time out to post to me, I did so with some hesitation as I dislike forum problems.
All the best to everyone.
Thor, you seem to be assuming too much. I'm not sitting home doing nothing expecting Axe Effect out of nowhere from my front door or something, lol. I've never claimed that once, that would be ridiculous. I've also said I put myself out there constantly, at least once a week. Thing is, I just don't seem to have the "urge" to push and chase for women anymore. Now that's either the IDGAF (That I've had for about 6-9 months now at least, which others have finally started mentioning. Giving more traction to me continuing to believe, for a long time now, that I'm NOT the "resister". And actually was ahead of the curve, I just posted more rationally and accurate and didn't get carried away by small things, inadvertently obscuring the truth by being written off with confirmation bias. The extreme, and debilitating exhaustion that wrecked my lifestyle even...that I felt on V3.0.1, and on V3.1 at times as well, now finally being reported in V3.2 often, is giving me further cause to believe this.), or I'm just over it and fed up with rejection and what not. I'm not sure which. I just know I don't go out of my way for girls anymore and it feels good to no longer focus so much on them, get my power back, and not feel defined by my success or failure with them and always trying to "get" them or "be good enough" for them. Being so ridiculously preoccupied with them, but still failing with them has been damaging to my mental health and self esteem etc. I don't think there's much of a payoff to them for me, hasn't been so far so I don't focus on them anymore like I did way back. You get bored of reaching for the cheese and being shocked every time, even after constantly being enticed to do so, and how it's different and what not.
Even last weekend, I was talking with a brand new beautiful girl who apparently will be there sometimes when I return to that place. Flirting and what not for a reasonable time, enjoying it. As I've often said, my social skills ARE NOT the problem. They never have been. People always assume I'm the quiet introverted stereotype here for some reason that needs to just "get out there and it'll all work out", even though I've refuted it dozens of times. Social stuff is not my problem. Anyway, things SEEMED good, got the number easily, but that hasn't been my problem in the past either. Then didn't respond to my text, a small simple one with some callback humour and one she knew was coming too. A common occurrence for me, things seem good then just magically die, but it doesn't affect me anymore as I'm so used to it happening. This whole "chase" thing I've done for decades, I'm tired of, to me it doesn't pay off and hurts my self worth when it doesn't as it tends to affect me a lot and I dwell etc. so it isn't healthy. I'm tired of it. So I don't bother now. That was a spur of the moment thing due to her demeanor, and weirdly the interaction died right after initial momentum as she didn't reply at all. None of it lasts, it's good "in the moment", but there is no real attraction after, or initiative from them after. Now, in the past, I'd push harder to "make up" for her lack of initiative, "be the man and chase", which just makes them pull back harder, and it's ruined more so. I just don't seem to have the interest or zest for them anymore after decades of it all, seems like such a waste of my time, energy and money, awful waste. I'm tired of always jumping through hoops, and still never being deemed good enough somehow and being attractive, it's ridiculous and I resent the pedestalisation of chasing/jumping through hoops, and will no longer contribute to it. I think I'm a pretty decent dude, not perfect but decent at least. So if I'm always being down rated somehow and never "the hot guy" they actually want, at some point I stop bothering to please them as it seems like an unequal exchange and not worth it to me. I concentrate on myself and my main issue in my life now, which is fixing this new company. That to me is far more relevant and important, and will actually pay dividends to me for time, energy, money spent on it, instead of just wasting all 3 of those like girls have. That company is my number one focus in life now until it's fixed. I've been in tunnel vision since the post speaking of it. I can't risk any exhaustion from subs again during this crisis period so I've been very concerned with any signs of the extreme exhaustion I've felt before. I need to be focused to right the ship. Very serious situation, but I'm positive I can straighten things out in time.
However...ALL of this was covered already in that post you quoted. I've had some dreams and what not, after massive insane dedication my pounds are finally coming back off from V3.1's 34 pounds of fat put on. About 8 pounds to go. Other than that, not much else in line with design goal...which...as you know...is to have attractive women approach me for sex and do the heavy lifting to make it happen. However, to report on what's relevant to the design goal's aim, I naturally look for that. That doesn't mean I do nothing and expect Axe Effect, I'm still out in social situations, I've just long since lost interest in pushing and chasing all the time trying to get women, and just enjoy myself and do what I want and no longer focused on "women women women women omg I need women to like me, and need them to bang me, in order to feel complete or like a man". I don't like giving them so much power over me, I've done that for decades and it never got me anywhere with them, and made me feel terrible about myself to boot when it all failed. I'd report on other "interesting" things, but I don't know if I've experienced too much of that other than what I've posted. Decent but somewhat intermittent internal effects, not much if any REAL external results with attractive women. Seems to be the same thing still, the nice/funny/charming guy, but no real sexual attraction from them or initiative to do anything about sexual attraction if it exists. That used to pain me to write things like that, but it doesn't do much anymore to me. I feel very "meh" about girls, just tired of never being deemed good enough, so just unplugging from the rat race for female attention and validation.
Still not sold on this program, I admit I still don't believe this program can ever work to make what I consider to be attractive females, somehow aggressively pursue me for sex now etc., seems way too much of a fairy tale to me still. I'm still not a believer in it, sorry, I'm just being upfront and honest. Other than outliers or guys already capable of getting attraction and sex from women/attractive women before subs and thus obviously invalidating any data on whether DMSI did anything, not to mention party/club situations with drugs or alcohol naturally reducing inhibitions and lubricating situations...I haven't seen much to change my mind on that. Both with my own experiences, and other's. We'll see what happens going forward, I find myself always reverting back to saying the two words "we'll see" with each version update, but it's true. I hope to become a believer someday, otherwise I wouldn't bother using it.
I didn't want to post this as often my posts create tension or drama etc. so I didn't want to and chose to keep it to myself. But, given that it's been awhile, and wanting to reply to posts as others took time out to post to me, I did so with some hesitation as I dislike forum problems.
All the best to everyone.
