So, we're doing this for Friday night I guess.....alright then.
"Revisionist thinking". Well I don't remember executing such that I backpedal and claim it didn't happen. The idea of that seems ridiculous to me even, makes no sense why that would even happen. A person should be overjoyed they are executing, I know if T or S or either of the other two I dig would fully execute with me, I'd be beside myself. We'll see if that occurs someday.
To your second point. EXACTLY. Therefore, it isn't as easy as "I believe I'm attractive therefore I am now", bit more involved than that. It isn't some internal belief as the overarching factor in whether a woman finds you attractive, you still need to "pass the test" so to speak of her own filters. And also proving my point that I've said here often that women are the ultimate deciders on what is attractive in a man. Not us. They have to power to accept or reject. So all the mental masturbation in the world, doesn't compare to real life results. Glad we agree on that.
I don't believe we can "conclude" that at all. That's a theory. It's also possible this program is doing only a fraction of what it is theorised to do. And that there may be limits, whereas unless certain other things are brought to the table, all the "confidence" and "clearing and healing" in the world won't matter. I'm just not convinced its a simple formula for results anymore, given the massive amount of time the program has lagged in effectiveness for almost everyone. I've sadly just lost faith in it, I will dutifully use and test all versions as before, but I've largely given up the old fantasies I used to have about it. I've tried to report on things still in the hopes something can be taken and used for future versions, but it's hard to do when each report is always blown off or invalidated as "you're a resister, stop resisting, blah blah blah resist". Feels like there's no point in bothering. Again, as I've said before, I can't report on what doesn't happen. I'm trying my best to report what I think may be useful.
I feel the next "conclude" is a theory, based on a theory. Hard to quantify in reality. And hard to imagine a fear of success, or even why it would exist, especially when I haven't even achieved "success" or something close to it, (however that is considered to be in one's mind) with women before.
Yep 100%, definitely sure based off feedback that I'm not deemed "attractive" by women, for whatever reason. I've long since become more and more tired of trying to solve that rubik's cube that never seems to actually pan out and provide an ROI for the endless thought, energy, time and money spent on trying to get to the bottom of it. Seems to be if you have "it", you do. Like my bad boy friends that rained girls leaving me scratching my head how and why, while not seemingly "doing" anything. While also treating them like disposable trash, the girls complaining about it, but them still raining hot girls which makes no sense but I've seen it happen in front of me for decades. Then those of us in reality, live lives of quiet desperation for some reason, while allegedly being the "real man they want", it's a crock of BS. I've sometimes thought that we can "conclude" that the problem seems to be the wiring of the females in question since 3rd wave feminism, which is likely to be out of reach of a sub we are listening to. (And how unchecked hypergamy has had drastic, devastating consequences on western relationships, but we're getting off topic.) Maybe WE aren't the problem here. That revelation has been big to me. Maybe there isn't something wrong with me after all. Maybe I just don't fit in with things in this current cultural climate. Feels warm, but still doesn't solve my problem of a lack of intimacy in the end.
The "Jessica Alba" analogy was sound based off your other post. Also, I did think it was obvious at the time...but...that WAS a bit tongue in cheek, Shannon...lol! I admit I'm surprised it was taken as pure seriousness, can probably just chalk that up to the internet being what it is, so no problem. I was merely continuing said logic to the extreme to show it's conclusion. To shed light on the fact that it doesn't really work, and scale properly. And that there's more to it than that. I do not believe just being interested in women can make them interested in you. Otherwise, I wouldn't have struggled mightily with women as I have, and neither would most of the other guys here. But again, it was more tongue in cheek than anything. And because I enjoyed the brief idea of Jessica Alba being attracted to me...so...
And again, another "theory" about my lack of interest in women. As I've said in the past, it's also highly likely that I'm simply losing interest in women because: I'm 37 as of the 18th of September, naturally the libido will start dialing back, I know I've felt a big drop the last year or so. I'm also just sick and tired of chasing women and making them such a focus just to be disappointed. And that I've lost a ton of faith in this sub ever delivering, so the "urge" for it just isn't like before where I was like an addict dying for "the next version to get xyz tech, maybe now I'll execute blah blah". Not to mention the emerging feeling that women my age either have hard miles and baggage (often due to the bad boys they chose when younger instead of guys like me...) I don't think is fair to expect me to deal with. Or children from other men I also don't feel is fair to burden me with, I'd prefer to have my own, not raise some other man's. That leaves younger women, that have tons of options, are very hard to get any momentum with, as time goes on my age disparity with them grows making it more awkward to try. And I struggle to see it being realistic to have anything happen with them. So, I do sometimes feel it's "too late" now for me due to those factors. I "should" have been married with kids by now (anti-male divorce laws aside, I'm talking about normal rites of passage from earlier generations), I do envy earlier generations where they were able to do that, I at times feel screwed over. Maybe 1-2 entering high school now, but I haven't been able to make that happen. Never mind a date, that didn't even end up going anywhere, I haven't even had that before shockingly. Even if I had kids now, I'd be 50 when they are 13!!! Not sure if dealing with teenaged kids is something many 50 year olds want to handle or CAN handle. And I'd have to find "the right girl" right now, good luck with that. The longer it takes, the worse the age disparity will be. So I often wonder if it's too late. All of that, is the rationale behind why I'm not so stuck on women anymore. I will say it feels good to finally not be so "obsessed" with them, especially since that never panned out for me in success with them anyway. And just ended up making me feel bad about myself. Maybe it's more balanced now, and before it wasn't, I don't know. I do I'm clearly different than the average "I want to get laid with hot chicks, brah!" DMSI listener. So maybe that's why the perspective is so different than others.
We all await V3.3 sometime. All the best.
"Revisionist thinking". Well I don't remember executing such that I backpedal and claim it didn't happen. The idea of that seems ridiculous to me even, makes no sense why that would even happen. A person should be overjoyed they are executing, I know if T or S or either of the other two I dig would fully execute with me, I'd be beside myself. We'll see if that occurs someday.
To your second point. EXACTLY. Therefore, it isn't as easy as "I believe I'm attractive therefore I am now", bit more involved than that. It isn't some internal belief as the overarching factor in whether a woman finds you attractive, you still need to "pass the test" so to speak of her own filters. And also proving my point that I've said here often that women are the ultimate deciders on what is attractive in a man. Not us. They have to power to accept or reject. So all the mental masturbation in the world, doesn't compare to real life results. Glad we agree on that.
I don't believe we can "conclude" that at all. That's a theory. It's also possible this program is doing only a fraction of what it is theorised to do. And that there may be limits, whereas unless certain other things are brought to the table, all the "confidence" and "clearing and healing" in the world won't matter. I'm just not convinced its a simple formula for results anymore, given the massive amount of time the program has lagged in effectiveness for almost everyone. I've sadly just lost faith in it, I will dutifully use and test all versions as before, but I've largely given up the old fantasies I used to have about it. I've tried to report on things still in the hopes something can be taken and used for future versions, but it's hard to do when each report is always blown off or invalidated as "you're a resister, stop resisting, blah blah blah resist". Feels like there's no point in bothering. Again, as I've said before, I can't report on what doesn't happen. I'm trying my best to report what I think may be useful.
I feel the next "conclude" is a theory, based on a theory. Hard to quantify in reality. And hard to imagine a fear of success, or even why it would exist, especially when I haven't even achieved "success" or something close to it, (however that is considered to be in one's mind) with women before.
Yep 100%, definitely sure based off feedback that I'm not deemed "attractive" by women, for whatever reason. I've long since become more and more tired of trying to solve that rubik's cube that never seems to actually pan out and provide an ROI for the endless thought, energy, time and money spent on trying to get to the bottom of it. Seems to be if you have "it", you do. Like my bad boy friends that rained girls leaving me scratching my head how and why, while not seemingly "doing" anything. While also treating them like disposable trash, the girls complaining about it, but them still raining hot girls which makes no sense but I've seen it happen in front of me for decades. Then those of us in reality, live lives of quiet desperation for some reason, while allegedly being the "real man they want", it's a crock of BS. I've sometimes thought that we can "conclude" that the problem seems to be the wiring of the females in question since 3rd wave feminism, which is likely to be out of reach of a sub we are listening to. (And how unchecked hypergamy has had drastic, devastating consequences on western relationships, but we're getting off topic.) Maybe WE aren't the problem here. That revelation has been big to me. Maybe there isn't something wrong with me after all. Maybe I just don't fit in with things in this current cultural climate. Feels warm, but still doesn't solve my problem of a lack of intimacy in the end.
The "Jessica Alba" analogy was sound based off your other post. Also, I did think it was obvious at the time...but...that WAS a bit tongue in cheek, Shannon...lol! I admit I'm surprised it was taken as pure seriousness, can probably just chalk that up to the internet being what it is, so no problem. I was merely continuing said logic to the extreme to show it's conclusion. To shed light on the fact that it doesn't really work, and scale properly. And that there's more to it than that. I do not believe just being interested in women can make them interested in you. Otherwise, I wouldn't have struggled mightily with women as I have, and neither would most of the other guys here. But again, it was more tongue in cheek than anything. And because I enjoyed the brief idea of Jessica Alba being attracted to me...so...
And again, another "theory" about my lack of interest in women. As I've said in the past, it's also highly likely that I'm simply losing interest in women because: I'm 37 as of the 18th of September, naturally the libido will start dialing back, I know I've felt a big drop the last year or so. I'm also just sick and tired of chasing women and making them such a focus just to be disappointed. And that I've lost a ton of faith in this sub ever delivering, so the "urge" for it just isn't like before where I was like an addict dying for "the next version to get xyz tech, maybe now I'll execute blah blah". Not to mention the emerging feeling that women my age either have hard miles and baggage (often due to the bad boys they chose when younger instead of guys like me...) I don't think is fair to expect me to deal with. Or children from other men I also don't feel is fair to burden me with, I'd prefer to have my own, not raise some other man's. That leaves younger women, that have tons of options, are very hard to get any momentum with, as time goes on my age disparity with them grows making it more awkward to try. And I struggle to see it being realistic to have anything happen with them. So, I do sometimes feel it's "too late" now for me due to those factors. I "should" have been married with kids by now (anti-male divorce laws aside, I'm talking about normal rites of passage from earlier generations), I do envy earlier generations where they were able to do that, I at times feel screwed over. Maybe 1-2 entering high school now, but I haven't been able to make that happen. Never mind a date, that didn't even end up going anywhere, I haven't even had that before shockingly. Even if I had kids now, I'd be 50 when they are 13!!! Not sure if dealing with teenaged kids is something many 50 year olds want to handle or CAN handle. And I'd have to find "the right girl" right now, good luck with that. The longer it takes, the worse the age disparity will be. So I often wonder if it's too late. All of that, is the rationale behind why I'm not so stuck on women anymore. I will say it feels good to finally not be so "obsessed" with them, especially since that never panned out for me in success with them anyway. And just ended up making me feel bad about myself. Maybe it's more balanced now, and before it wasn't, I don't know. I do I'm clearly different than the average "I want to get laid with hot chicks, brah!" DMSI listener. So maybe that's why the perspective is so different than others.
We all await V3.3 sometime. All the best.
