Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8

[Topaz]

I haven't been on the forum in a long time, but I've become a huge fan of MM over the last 6 months.  My commission-based job has exploded and I constantly get leads without looking for them while being laser focused to follow through.  I plan on posting a full review when time permits.

I think the best journals are journal summarizes !
Unless we are talking about my journals which are awesome and very detailed

It sounds like something I'll want to use when the time comes.
But with so many program... It looks like eternity.
I've finished AM6 and I would say I need another run through.
Now I'm using OPH and that can take a while then I want to use something else and then AM refresher and SM then maybe E6/letting go of bad emotions (fear guilt shame) and MM...
So that's why I've thought a program which contains more than one thing would be great.
In a way AM and SM contain E/ overcome bad emotions.
So the 6G versions of those can do more but will see
Look at BASE for example it contains like 50 programs!

[Shannon]

I haven't been on the forum in a long time, but I've become a huge fan of MM over the last 6 months.  My commission-based job has exploded and I constantly get leads without looking for them while being laser focused to follow through.  I plan on posting a full review when time permits.

I think the best journals are journal summarizes !
Unless we are talking about my journals which are awesome and very detailed

It sounds like something I'll want to use when the time comes.
But with so many program... It looks like eternity.
I've finished AM6 and I would say I need another run through.
Now I'm using OPH and that can take a while then I want to use something else and then AM refresher and SM then maybe E6/letting go of bad emotions (fear guilt shame) and MM...
So that's why I've thought a program which contains more than one thing would be great.
In a way AM and SM contain E/ overcome bad emotions.
So the 6G versions of those can do more but will see
Look at BASE for example it contains like 50 programs!

Just remember that generation matters a lot, and the prices reflect that.  Don't think you're going to get the equivalent of even the free EHPRA from AM/SM in 5G.  The higher gen programs don't just do more, they do it faster, easier, better and with much less exposure time.

[Shannon]

I haven't been on the forum in a long time, but I've become a huge fan of MM over the last 6 months.  My commission-based job has exploded and I constantly get leads without looking for them while being laser focused to follow through.  I plan on posting a full review when time permits.

Glad to hear it.  Much appreciated.  Yes, I cannot wait to get back to MM.  Right now I am testing X4A-2000, and while it's definitely a lot of fun (and very eye opening), I want to be focused on money, not having various women try to get in my pants in front of my GF.

[MegaMan]

I don't see the point of a mixed DMSI/UMS. Just do the 'ol switcharoo every six months or so and you'll get both things eventually.

The best way to do it (IMO) is to focus on monetary success (and self development) first, and then the sex will usually take care of itself.

Getting to sex is not cheap, and maintaining that access is not cheap, with the possible exception of someone who is only interested in FWB (which tends to blow up in a man's face, from my experience).

If I make DMSI v5 + UMS vNext as one program, that's gonna be crazy expensive, because both of those are slated to be Premiums in their next incarnation.  Plus it's a multi-stage set.

If I try to make something that is a single stage for each and mix them together, but start from scratch on what goes in them, it'll be a lot less expensive because I don't have to make it a Premium or a multi-stage set.

In either case, I don't think it's a good idea.  But we'll get into it more in detail when 6G comes around and I have built the initial flurry of titles.

For me what was holding me back from achieving financial success was an intertwined mess of undeservedness, self-hate and fear of success.
3 full run-throughs of UMSv2 did not clear this. Afterwards OFv3 did some work but still baby steps. Now on DMSI I am feeling more joy and freedom to express myself.

Both experiencing the joy of living and freedom to express myself has already had a positive impact on my trajectory money wise.
Just wanted to give my perspective on this.

[Lionstrength]

Can anybody point me in the right direction to the post that explains the difference between formats (masked, ultrasonic, and hybrid)? I've been thinking I should adjust and play with that more to lessen some of the resistance/anxiety I have been having with multiple subs that last few months.

[Ampersnd]

Hey @Shannon

I'm about two months into OGSF, and I'm finding that my motivation to pursue my goals is at an all-time low.
I was wondering if that is common or expected; my guess is that I would lose motivation if that motivation was fueled by such negative emotions.

EDIT: I have been going through the Ultra Success page, because I might need that push after finishing OGSF, and noticed this in the copy:

"But it can ME the lubricant that allows you..."

[Shannon]

The best way to do it (IMO) is to focus on monetary success (and self development) first, and then the sex will usually take care of itself.

Getting to sex is not cheap, and maintaining that access is not cheap, with the possible exception of someone who is only interested in FWB (which tends to blow up in a man's face, from my experience).

If I make DMSI v5 + UMS vNext as one program, that's gonna be crazy expensive, because both of those are slated to be Premiums in their next incarnation.  Plus it's a multi-stage set.

If I try to make something that is a single stage for each and mix them together, but start from scratch on what goes in them, it'll be a lot less expensive because I don't have to make it a Premium or a multi-stage set.

In either case, I don't think it's a good idea.  But we'll get into it more in detail when 6G comes around and I have built the initial flurry of titles.

For me what was holding me back from achieving financial success was an intertwined mess of undeservedness, self-hate and fear of success.
3 full run-throughs of UMSv2 did not clear this. Afterwards OFv3 did some work but still baby steps. Now on DMSI I am feeling more joy and freedom to express myself.

Both experiencing the joy of living and freedom to express myself has already had a positive impact on my trajectory money wise.
Just wanted to give my perspective on this.

So the programs you should be using for the undeservedness, self hate and fear of success are E6 and/or OGSF.  OF, and especially an older version, can't handle self hate or feelings of undeservedness.  DMSI will do absolutely nothing to help those either.

[Shannon]

Can anybody point me in the right direction to the post that explains the difference between formats (masked, ultrasonic, and hybrid)? I've been thinking I should adjust and play with that more to lessen some of the resistance/anxiety I have been having with multiple subs that last few months.

The formats work like this.

Ultrasonic is the standard format.  It uses pitch differencing to make the audio fall into the "umbra ultrasonic" range, meaning that it's too high pitched for your conscious mind to pick up, but it's still possible for your subconscious to pick up and decode it.  Because it uses pitch differencing, the volume is higher, and it will have a bigger impact on most people.  It is also the most convenient to use in most cases, but isn't suitable for use in headphones or earbuds because it is too easy to use too much or too little volume, or even have it turn off or on when you don't want it to without noticing that it's playing or not playing.  People who have issues with control are the most likely to find themselves resisting this format, but that is not a given.

Masked is the secondary format.  It uses volume differencing to hide the subliminal instructions in another sound, which is in this case Trickling Stream or Ocean Surf. The masking audio is audible at normal levels, but the masked audio is a lower volume, and this effectively hides it from the conscious mind, but not the subconscious mind.  The subliminalized audio is much lower volume than Ultrasonic format, so it has much less "perceptory pressure" than the ultrasonic.  Masked format is useful for when Ultrasonic is too aggressive and triggers resistance or you cannot handle the ultrasonic audio at the intended usage volumes because it causes tinnitus (make sure you're using it on a cell phone through the speakers at the instructed volume) or makes your ears hurt (which is usually the result of a form of resistance where your subconscious causes you pain trying to get you to stop using it; see here for more information).  It works with a gentler approach to presenting the instructions, which typically works significantly better for people who have serious control issues or try to resist Ultrasonic format for any other reason.

Hybrid is the tertiary format, and is a combination of Ultrasonic and Masked.  It is useful for when you do not respond well to either Ultrasonic or Masked format because you have a lot of fear causing your subconscious to resist too much.  This is the format with the highest perceptory pressure, and it also doubles the amount of data input per unit of time.  Most people want to use it because they assume that "moar is bedder"; in reality, this format is typically only useful if nothing else works for you.  Otherwise it is too much and will generally result in overload if you don't actually need it.

[Shannon]

Hey @Shannon

I'm about two months into OGSF, and I'm finding that my motivation to pursue my goals is at an all-time low.
I was wondering if that is common or expected; my guess is that I would lose motivation if that motivation was fueled by such negative emotions.

That response is not common, but it is also not rare.  There are two reasons for why it happens.  One is the one you stated, and the other is hat as you get down to where the real issue that needs work is being worked on, your subconscious focuses more and more on fighting the process, and doesn't focus as much as it used to on other things.  In other words, this would very likely indicate that you've arrived at what you set out to accomplish, and you are actually in the process of accomplishing the hard part of the goal.

In my experience, it is about 20% likely to be what you guessed, and about 80% likely to be what I stated.

[ffaux]

The formats work like this.

Ultrasonic is the standard format.  It uses pitch differencing to make the audio fall into the "umbra ultrasonic" range, meaning that it's too high pitched for your conscious mind to pick up, but it's still possible for your subconscious to pick up and decode it.  Because it uses pitch differencing, the volume is higher, and it will have a bigger impact on most people.  It is also the most convenient to use in most cases, but isn't suitable for use in headphones or earbuds because it is too easy to use too much or too little volume, or even have it turn off or on when you don't want it to without noticing that it's playing or not playing.  People who have issues with control are the most likely to find themselves resisting this format, but that is not a given.

Masked is the secondary format.  It uses volume differencing to hide the subliminal instructions in another sound, which is in this case Trickling Stream or Ocean Surf. The masking audio is audible at normal levels, but the masked audio is a lower volume, and this effectively hides it from the conscious mind, but not the subconscious mind.  The subliminalized audio is much lower volume than Ultrasonic format, so it has much less "perceptory pressure" than the ultrasonic.  Masked format is useful for when Ultrasonic is too aggressive and triggers resistance or you cannot handle the ultrasonic audio at the intended usage volumes because it causes tinnitus (make sure you're using it on a cell phone through the speakers at the instructed volume) or makes your ears hurt (which is usually the result of a form of resistance where your subconscious causes you pain trying to get you to stop using it; see here for more information).  It works with a gentler approach to presenting the instructions, which typically works significantly better for people who have serious control issues or try to resist Ultrasonic format for any other reason.

Hybrid is the tertiary format, and is a combination of Ultrasonic and Masked.  It is useful for when you do not respond well to either Ultrasonic or Masked format because you have a lot of fear causing your subconscious to resist too much.  This is the format with the highest perceptory pressure, and it also doubles the amount of data input per unit of time.  Most people want to use it because they assume that "moar is bedder"; in reality, this format is typically only useful if nothing else works for you.  Otherwise it is too much and will generally result in overload if you don't actually need it.

This information would be valuable to put into the FAQs or a similar post.

[kserenyi]

The formats work like this.

Ultrasonic is the standard format.  It uses pitch differencing to make the audio fall into the "umbra ultrasonic" range, meaning that it's too high pitched for your conscious mind to pick up, but it's still possible for your subconscious to pick up and decode it.  Because it uses pitch differencing, the volume is higher, and it will have a bigger impact on most people.  It is also the most convenient to use in most cases, but isn't suitable for use in headphones or earbuds because it is too easy to use too much or too little volume, or even have it turn off or on when you don't want it to without noticing that it's playing or not playing.  People who have issues with control are the most likely to find themselves resisting this format, but that is not a given.

Masked is the secondary format.  It uses volume differencing to hide the subliminal instructions in another sound, which is in this case Trickling Stream or Ocean Surf. The masking audio is audible at normal levels, but the masked audio is a lower volume, and this effectively hides it from the conscious mind, but not the subconscious mind.  The subliminalized audio is much lower volume than Ultrasonic format, so it has much less "perceptory pressure" than the ultrasonic.  Masked format is useful for when Ultrasonic is too aggressive and triggers resistance or you cannot handle the ultrasonic audio at the intended usage volumes because it causes tinnitus (make sure you're using it on a cell phone through the speakers at the instructed volume) or makes your ears hurt (which is usually the result of a form of resistance where your subconscious causes you pain trying to get you to stop using it; see here for more information).  It works with a gentler approach to presenting the instructions, which typically works significantly better for people who have serious control issues or try to resist Ultrasonic format for any other reason.

Hybrid is the tertiary format, and is a combination of Ultrasonic and Masked.  It is useful for when you do not respond well to either Ultrasonic or Masked format because you have a lot of fear causing your subconscious to resist too much.  This is the format with the highest perceptory pressure, and it also doubles the amount of data input per unit of time.  Most people want to use it because they assume that "moar is bedder"; in reality, this format is typically only useful if nothing else works for you.  Otherwise it is too much and will generally result in overload if you don't actually need it.

This information would be valuable to put into the FAQs or a similar post.

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[MD81]

I was also looking forward to length + girth ME. Mentioning this in case if it helps to decide.

The decision was made many months ago.  I really shouldn't have built this one.  I should have waited until 6G to do any of these again.  Building three variants isn't going to happen again.  I'll do a poll for which variant to build in 6G.

What was your experience with v2?

I bought the 5.7.5G version in 2021 and used it for a month or more. Over several months after, it provided nominal gains in length and girth, but nothing that I measured.

[Raz]

EDIT: I have been going through the Ultra Success page, because I might need that push after finishing OGSF, and noticed this in the copy:



"But it can ME the lubricant that allows you..."

While we're at typos: at the forum main page when you are not logged in there is this header "Welcome to Subliminal Talk by Indigo Mind Labs." with this short description:

"Indigo Mind Labs is the industry leader in subliminal development and research. Our programs have advanced far beyond the traditional scope of what others call a subliminal, which is why we now refer to our programs as "experiences." Press play. Get results. Experience a better you and a better life. Simply register here to join the duscussion!"

Cheers!

[Shannon]

Thanks for the heads up on typos, guys. I'll get on them when I wake up.