Seems like the Magnets aren't all they're cut out to be.

[Voytek]

Seems like everyone has accepted the fact that AM6 may take a good 2 or 3 runs for the effects to manifest, but they all expect the magnets to work in 1.
People need to realise, just like AM only does a lot in 1 run for guys who already have a lot of the traits, the magnets are only successful in 1 run for guys who have a decent foundation with women.

Correct, that`s why I`ve finally decided to run WM just after 1 AM6 run. I`ve attainded great results with AM6 becasue the vast majority of bulletpoints was already there before I start my AM6 training. I`m attractive guy and have quite good skills with women and I`m very curious will WM be so effective for me as AM6 is. Besides, I want to alter AM6 with WM to give AM6`s effects some time to solidify, I don`t want to rerun AM6 just after I finish 1st run. Any way, I feel it`ll be a great journey and a lot of fun for me.

[Dzemoo]

Seems like everyone has accepted the fact that AM6 may take a good 2 or 3 runs for the effects to manifest, but they all expect the magnets to work in 1.
People need to realise, just like AM only does a lot in 1 run for guys who already have a lot of the traits, the magnets are only successful in 1 run for guys who have a decent foundation with women.

yeah very true, in my opinion the magnets are as imoportant as am if your goal is to become better with women

i wished there would be another magnet

[Ryan]

But... if a person wants to be a magnet they do need to let go of that pick-up / pursue women shit. It should get you there but if you don't want to or want to resist that (which can be hard) then you won't become a magnet.

Ryan or some one else, could you clarify this for me? Please. I study some good stuff about seduction and now I wonder is there any sense to do this... because I`ll, probably, run WM for about month.

You can't teach someone to become a magnet, you just can't, so what point is there in reading PUA or learning tactics or even chasing women repeatedly if you want to be a magnet that attracts them to you? PUA is 100% counter-productive to being a legit ladies man who doesn't have to do a thing and already has women. This is what they refer to as a natural ladies man. It's all inside of you and the only way to have that happen is by changing your beliefs and negative traits. I found subliminals to be one of the easiest ways of doing that.

I think in a lot of cases guys repel the program because there are stages (for me at least) where the program detaches you from needing (and at times even wanting) women briefly. It can scare some guys because that's all they are focused on right now. I remember I was dating left and right, pursuing women, trying to get laid every other day on AM and in SM it just all stopped, almost immediately, I was down, I was unhappy and I didn't want to accept that I had to find other things to make me happy, but I literally no longer felt like working to get women. It was when I did, I saw the results I wanted, said "fuck it" to every dating guru and bit of advice/information on dating I read and I just started accepting myself as a natural magnet. Then you realize, everything else is just ridiculous and it's extremely easy given the right mindset.

[Spareness]

But... if a person wants to be a magnet they do need to let go of that pick-up / pursue women shit. It should get you there but if you don't want to or want to resist that (which can be hard) then you won't become a magnet.

Ryan or some one else, could you clarify this for me? Please. I study some good stuff about seduction and now I wonder is there any sense to do this... because I`ll, probably, run WM for about month.

You can't teach someone to become a magnet, you just can't, so what point is there in reading PUA or learning tactics or even chasing women repeatedly if you want to be a magnet that attracts them to you? PUA is 100% counter-productive to being a legit ladies man who doesn't have to do a thing and already has women. This is what they refer to as a natural ladies man. It's all inside of you and the only way to have that happen is by changing your beliefs and negative traits. I found subliminals to be one of the easiest ways of doing that.

I think in a lot of cases guys repel the program because there are stages (for me at least) where the program detaches you from needing (and at times even wanting) women briefly. It can scare some guys because that's all they are focused on right now. I remember I was dating left and right, pursuing women, trying to get laid every other day on AM and in SM it just all stopped, almost immediately, I was down, I was unhappy and I didn't want to accept that I had to find other things to make me happy, but I literally no longer felt like working to get women. It was when I did, I saw the results I wanted, said "**** it" to every dating guru and bit of advice/information on dating I read and I just started accepting myself as a natural magnet. Then you realize, everything else is just ridiculous and it's extremely easy given the right mindset.

How about two books that Shannon recommends in AM6 manual, did you read it Ryan?

[Ryan]

But... if a person wants to be a magnet they do need to let go of that pick-up / pursue women shit. It should get you there but if you don't want to or want to resist that (which can be hard) then you won't become a magnet.

Ryan or some one else, could you clarify this for me? Please. I study some good stuff about seduction and now I wonder is there any sense to do this... because I`ll, probably, run WM for about month.

You can't teach someone to become a magnet, you just can't, so what point is there in reading PUA or learning tactics or even chasing women repeatedly if you want to be a magnet that attracts them to you? PUA is 100% counter-productive to being a legit ladies man who doesn't have to do a thing and already has women. This is what they refer to as a natural ladies man. It's all inside of you and the only way to have that happen is by changing your beliefs and negative traits. I found subliminals to be one of the easiest ways of doing that.

I think in a lot of cases guys repel the program because there are stages (for me at least) where the program detaches you from needing (and at times even wanting) women briefly. It can scare some guys because that's all they are focused on right now. I remember I was dating left and right, pursuing women, trying to get laid every other day on AM and in SM it just all stopped, almost immediately, I was down, I was unhappy and I didn't want to accept that I had to find other things to make me happy, but I literally no longer felt like working to get women. It was when I did, I saw the results I wanted, said "**** it" to every dating guru and bit of advice/information on dating I read and I just started accepting myself as a natural magnet. Then you realize, everything else is just ridiculous and it's extremely easy given the right mindset.

How about two books that Shannon recommends in AM6 manual, did you read it Ryan?

To be honest I really can't remember. As I recall though those books are not "how-to" guides but rather more of books to help you better understand what a natural alpha male is... vs what a lot of people in our society view them as. That's honestly pretty hard to understand because there's no great examples today...

[Voytek]

Thanks, Ryan. From two months I study only stuff about women to know them better from psychological and behavioral side and I also think that the basic Game rules are important but tactics, routines and techniques you should develop by yourself according to yourself and make them simple and spontaneous at execution. That should help you a bit on Magnet`s Journey. I`m very curious how it`ll go on my WM run. For now, I want to study a bit more about our mortal enemies (women) becasue to "defeat them" (I mean, F them ) you should know as much as possible about them. Frankly, on my AM6`s ride I`ve found that approaching and attracting women is very easy and almost always very funny and I presume that with WM it`ll be much more... enjoyable.

[robstar]

But... if a person wants to be a magnet they do need to let go of that pick-up / pursue women shit. It should get you there but if you don't want to or want to resist that (which can be hard) then you won't become a magnet.

Ryan or some one else, could you clarify this for me? Please. I study some good stuff about seduction and now I wonder is there any sense to do this... because I`ll, probably, run WM for about month.

You can't teach someone to become a magnet, you just can't, so what point is there in reading PUA or learning tactics or even chasing women repeatedly if you want to be a magnet that attracts them to you? PUA is 100% counter-productive to being a legit ladies man who doesn't have to do a thing and already has women. This is what they refer to as a natural ladies man. It's all inside of you and the only way to have that happen is by changing your beliefs and negative traits. I found subliminals to be one of the easiest ways of doing that.

I think in a lot of cases guys repel the program because there are stages (for me at least) where the program detaches you from needing (and at times even wanting) women briefly. It can scare some guys because that's all they are focused on right now. I remember I was dating left and right, pursuing women, trying to get laid every other day on AM and in SM it just all stopped, almost immediately, I was down, I was unhappy and I didn't want to accept that I had to find other things to make me happy, but I literally no longer felt like working to get women. It was when I did, I saw the results I wanted, said "**** it" to every dating guru and bit of advice/information on dating I read and I just started accepting myself as a natural magnet. Then you realize, everything else is just ridiculous and it's extremely easy given the right mindset.

Interesting, I found reading Blackdragon's stuff during SM to be a major factor in my results. That said, his stuff isn't about cold-approaching strangers, its more about dating and relationship management.

[Voytek]

You can`t be stiff with some kind of PUA`s moves but the knowledge about women and the game rules is very helpfull. I think it`s obvious for all of us, boys.

[robstar]

You can`t be stiff with some kind of PUA`s moves but the knowledge about women and the game rules is very helpfull. I think it`s obvious for all of us, boys.

Yep. Despite people here lumping all puas into one category there are puas focused on outer game (tactics, lines, etc) and puas focused on inner game, and thats what we're working on here with subliminals.

[Ryan]

I'll just say, I've read a lot of books too, like a lot of people here. They are nice for the motivation, I suppose, as that was pretty much the only thing I got out of them.

But what I will say is after reading them all and even applying them when I internalized this Sex Magnet mindset I never thought about these books, gurus, or body language reading guides ever again. I think it's important to understand the difference between a how-to book and a book on actual knowledge. A how-to book, depending on what you're reading can make things a little more difficult, in my experience and try to make you someone you're not.

Going along with that, of course doing these tapes you're becoming someone you're not BUT, when you internalize them... there's no more of that "I can't be myself that's bullshit, who ever got laid being themselves?" and "how would I get better with women if not being someone else entirely?"

Well because the subliminals are changing you into a better person and it's not so much bad to be yourself at all it's just that if you're being yourself and not getting the results you want then you're not internally developing the traits you need to get what you want. If that makes sense. So whenever someone says "Just be yourself around women", I would agree but say "Yes just be yourself, but if that self is unattractive, then change it first". Fortunately you are changing it here with the subliminals

There comes a point when you internalize everything that you realize you can say, do, act however you want and still achieve success. On the other hand, a lot of these gurus don't believe in that because they never got to a point of turning into a magnet internally.

Even guys like Brent Smith say things like "Don't pursue women" but you can't tell someone that... nor can you teach them because they are still gonna have that need and as long as they do, it's going to be impossible to stop pursuing.

Cory Skyy says do affirmations (which are worded horribly btw), go out, make lots of friends/social circles, get laid, but in all honesty you don't have to be a social God to get laid either nor do you need tons of friends around you.

Other books like Art of Seduction specifically put seducers into specific categories and I guess guys feel like they are a particular one, or they want to be a particular one, but when they aren't acting like that particular one they feel like failure.

If you're gonna read them go for it, but I do believe you should always let your gut instinct and the subliminal hold priority because you have to remember you're not the same, internally, as a lot of what these guys preach, you are naturally becoming a magnet and most of their advice is applied to guys who haven't discovered or even considered inner change. For other things like knowledge on women, I don't believe would conflict with what you're changing into.

[robstar]

I'll just say, I've read a lot of books too, like a lot of people here. They are nice for the motivation, I suppose, as that was pretty much the only thing I got out of them.

But what I will say is after reading them all and even applying them when I internalized this Sex Magnet mindset I never thought about these books, gurus, or body language reading guides ever again. I think it's important to understand the difference between a how-to book and a book on actual knowledge. A how-to book, depending on what you're reading can make things a little more difficult, in my experience and try to make you someone you're not.

Going along with that, of course doing these tapes you're becoming someone you're not BUT, when you internalize them... there's no more of that "I can't be myself that's *****, who ever got laid being themselves?" and "how would I get better with women if not being someone else entirely?"

Well because the subliminals are changing you into a better person and it's not so much bad to be yourself at all it's just that if you're being yourself and not getting the results you want then you're not internally developing the traits you need to get what you want. If that makes sense. So whenever someone says "Just be yourself around women", I would agree but say "Yes just be yourself, but if that self is unattractive, then change it first". Fortunately you are changing it here with the subliminals

There comes a point when you internalize everything that you realize you can say, do, act however you want and still achieve success. On the other hand, a lot of these gurus don't believe in that because they never got to a point of turning into a magnet internally.

Even guys like Brent Smith say things like "Don't pursue women" but you can't tell someone that... nor can you teach them because they are still gonna have that need and as long as they do, it's going to be impossible to stop pursuing.

Cory Skyy says do affirmations (which are worded horribly btw), go out, make lots of friends/social circles, get laid, but in all honesty you don't have to be a social God to get laid either nor do you need tons of friends around you.

Other books like Art of Seduction specifically put seducers into specific categories and I guess guys feel like they are a particular one, or they want to be a particular one, but when they aren't acting like that particular one they feel like failure.

If you're gonna read them go for it, but I do believe you should always let your gut instinct and the subliminal hold priority because you have to remember you're not the same, internally, as a lot of what these guys preach, you are naturally becoming a magnet and most of their advice is applied to guys who haven't discovered or even considered inner change. For other things like knowledge on women, I don't believe would conflict with what you're changing into.

I totally agree that the gut instinct and your own inner guidance are the most important things to keep in the forefront. However, sometimes you just read something that just clicks and gels with you, and there's no harm in trying some of the advice and seeing how it works for you. I'm with you that if someone's asking for money and has a real sales-page vibe, then they're probably phonies, but for example, Blackdragon's free blog completely changed my way of looking at relationships, and had me dating multiple girls with them knowing about it and being ok with it for the first time. And I'm happy to say I'll never be monogamous from here on. So yeah, that's just an example of when you read something that just clicks, that you wouldn't have thought of on your own, but it leads to an "Aha!" moment.
My personal view is don't believe anything unless you take it for checking.

[TheRealJustin]

there's no harm in trying some of the advice and seeing how it works for you. I'm with you that if someone's asking for money and has a real sales-page vibe, then they're probably phonies.

Blackdragon doesn't have a real sales page vibe because he is a newbie internet marketer and that's why his book is 9 dollars instead of 67.

If you vibe with the info and it helps you out in life though that's all that matters.

Ever since David DeAngelo (not his real name) started going by the name Eben Pagan (More than likely also not his real name) basically saying he scammed the fu*k out of everyone because he has a deep understanding of psychology he started making 20 million a year and now he teaches people how he did it, and since he did it with dating advice, now all of a sudden everyone and their mom is a 'master pua' with their little blog and e-mail list lol.

Even though David DeAngelo is a huge phony and a poser, I did get some solid info from him that he got from other places, but it doesn't matter if he is a chode telling me rehashed sh*t because the info was still good for where i was at in life at the time, and if I didn't find him I would have never found any of that info I never even knew it existed. (I was 17, 27 now).

I think it's good to learn from different pua's, the phonies and the real deals, and just taking in what you vibe with and what works for you in your life, and throwing out the rest.

But, reading about pua and 'becoming alpha' should be an extremely small focus in life especially when we have these subs, that stuff doesn't even matter. Nobody is like certified in what alpha is and how to become it or anything or certified in knowing what attracts women, it's just a bunch of internet marketers saying their view points, and for the most part they're just rehashing other peoples view points.

When there's a goldmine, all the internet marketers will be there telling you they have the secret you've been looking for.

[Ryan]

there's no harm in trying some of the advice and seeing how it works for you. I'm with you that if someone's asking for money and has a real sales-page vibe, then they're probably phonies.

Blackdragon doesn't have a real sales page vibe because he is a newbie internet marketer and that's why his book is 9 dollars instead of 67.

If you vibe with the info and it helps you out in life though that's all that matters.

Ever since David DeAngelo (not his real name) started going by the name Eben Pagan (More than likely also not his real name) basically saying he scammed the fu*k out of everyone because he has a deep understanding of psychology he started making 20 million a year and now he teaches people how he did it, and since he did it with dating advice, now all of a sudden everyone and their mom is a 'master pua' with their little blog and e-mail list lol.

Even though David DeAngelo is a huge phony and a poser, I did get some solid info from him that he got from other places, but it doesn't matter if he is a chode telling me rehashed sh*t because the info was still good for where i was at in life at the time, and if I didn't find him I would have never found any of that info I never even knew it existed. (I was 17, 27 now).

I think it's good to learn from different pua's, the phonies and the real deals, and just taking in what you vibe with and what works for you in your life, and throwing out the rest.

But, reading about pua and 'becoming alpha' should be an extremely small focus in life especially when we have these subs, that stuff doesn't even matter. Nobody is like certified in what alpha is and how to become it or anything or certified in knowing what attracts women, it's just a bunch of internet marketers saying their view points, and for the most part they're just rehashing other peoples view points.

When there's a goldmine, all the internet marketers will be there telling you they have the secret you've been looking for.

The thing about these guys you need to be careful of and any internet marketer for that matter is that they are marketers, they are not gurus. If you want to better understand them search for "black hat marketing" on Google and read some of the ideas/strategies many guys have for making a quick buck online.

By the way, I feel like I hear David's voice on almost ANY ad on the internet and they annoy the hell out of me.

But in all seriousness some of the things I saw involved strategies such as:

-Finding good pick-up forums with lots of users and success stories... find out what they did... write a book/guide on it copying that information... rinse-repeat until you have a legitimate guide that solves a lot of guys' needs. Sell it.

-Write long content blurbs filled with lots of testimonials (grabbing stock photos from dealers OR even worse... steal them from Facebook), and most importantly find the best way to trigger someone's emotions and show your product as a solution towards it.

-Bold/highlight specific words that should stand out such as FREE, SEX, INSTANTLY, AMAZING.

-Take a bunch of random shit you either find or take from your book that you can package into an e-book. Give it away for free. This gets people to think you're an awesome person giving stuff away but also make them interested in buying more because their FREE set leaves you hanging to need the rest.

-The number one key is all the information is available on the internet for FREE, a good internet marketer finds that information, consolidates it, and markets it as their own. (You don't have to be an expert on the information, you just have to know where to find it).

And then you have other guys who do know their shit and try to do their own business but they don't understand internet marketing in that way... or maybe they have some slight knowledge on it.

Cory Skyy was like this too. His old site featured a forum of guys that wanted to self-improve, like here. Eventually he abolished the forum and articles and every month or so he experiments with a different landing/sales page to get people to sign up for his class. Though, I have yet to see any new testimonials from him in 3-4 years.

Subliminals and Cory's program however are much much harder to sell. For one, most people will be closed minded towards them or really think it's too good to be true. On the other, people want quick result / a magic pill.

It's all very much planned and scientific. Though I will say not all of them are bad people. There are great people who use these marketing techniques to really give great information/products.

One of which is an online class I'm taking for game development. It's setup the same way but the material is amazing and these marketers really research.

Others, however, have no ability to research or really put effort into it, it's all about quick money. And that's why you see a bunch of dudes pretending to be hot women on Facebook adding you, or why you get a bunch of YOU WON $$$ e-mails, or even those ads that say Enter our drawing for FREE. They are doing what others have succeeded with quickly, but these guys still believe they will continue to work, which they don't, usually they are new to marketing. You can usually find the EASY, QUICK BUCK methods on these black hat forums which give newbies step-by-step detailed instructions on how many money doing it. That's why it's so saturated. Many of the hottest topics include weight loss, sex, and most importantly, dating.

[TheRealJustin]

there's no harm in trying some of the advice and seeing how it works for you. I'm with you that if someone's asking for money and has a real sales-page vibe, then they're probably phonies.

Blackdragon doesn't have a real sales page vibe because he is a newbie internet marketer and that's why his book is 9 dollars instead of 67.

If you vibe with the info and it helps you out in life though that's all that matters.

Ever since David DeAngelo (not his real name) started going by the name Eben Pagan (More than likely also not his real name) basically saying he scammed the fu*k out of everyone because he has a deep understanding of psychology he started making 20 million a year and now he teaches people how he did it, and since he did it with dating advice, now all of a sudden everyone and their mom is a 'master pua' with their little blog and e-mail list lol.

Even though David DeAngelo is a huge phony and a poser, I did get some solid info from him that he got from other places, but it doesn't matter if he is a chode telling me rehashed sh*t because the info was still good for where i was at in life at the time, and if I didn't find him I would have never found any of that info I never even knew it existed. (I was 17, 27 now).

I think it's good to learn from different pua's, the phonies and the real deals, and just taking in what you vibe with and what works for you in your life, and throwing out the rest.

But, reading about pua and 'becoming alpha' should be an extremely small focus in life especially when we have these subs, that stuff doesn't even matter. Nobody is like certified in what alpha is and how to become it or anything or certified in knowing what attracts women, it's just a bunch of internet marketers saying their view points, and for the most part they're just rehashing other peoples view points.

When there's a goldmine, all the internet marketers will be there telling you they have the secret you've been looking for.

The thing about these guys you need to be careful of and any internet marketer for that matter is that they are marketers, they are not gurus. If you want to better understand them search for "black hat marketing" on Google and read some of the ideas/strategies many guys have for making a quick buck online.

By the way, I feel like I hear David's voice on almost ANY ad on the internet and they annoy the hell out of me.

But in all seriousness some of the things I saw involved strategies such as:

-Finding good pick-up forums with lots of users and success stories... find out what they did... write a book/guide on it copying that information... rinse-repeat until you have a legitimate guide that solves a lot of guys' needs. Sell it.

-Write long content blurbs filled with lots of testimonials (grabbing stock photos from dealers OR even worse... steal them from Facebook), and most importantly find the best way to trigger someone's emotions and show your product as a solution towards it.

-Bold/highlight specific words that should stand out such as FREE, SEX, INSTANTLY, AMAZING.

-Take a bunch of random shit you either find or take from your book that you can package into an e-book. Give it away for free. This gets people to think you're an awesome person giving stuff away but also make them interested in buying more because their FREE set leaves you hanging to need the rest.

-The number one key is all the information is available on the internet for FREE, a good internet marketer finds that information, consolidates it, and markets it as their own. (You don't have to be an expert on the information, you just have to know where to find it).

And then you have other guys who do know their shit and try to do their own business but they don't understand internet marketing in that way... or maybe they have some slight knowledge on it.

Cory Skyy was like this too. His old site featured a forum of guys that wanted to self-improve, like here. Eventually he abolished the forum and articles and every month or so he experiments with a different landing/sales page to get people to sign up for his class. Though, I have yet to see any new testimonials from him in 3-4 years.

Subliminals and Cory's program however are much much harder to sell. For one, most people will be closed minded towards them or really think it's too good to be true. On the other, people want quick result / a magic pill.

It's all very much planned and scientific. Though I will say not all of them are bad people. There are great people who use these marketing techniques to really give great information/products.

One of which is an online class I'm taking for game development. It's setup the same way but the material is amazing and these marketers really research.

Others, however, have no ability to research or really put effort into it, it's all about quick money. And that's why you see a bunch of dudes pretending to be hot women on Facebook adding you, or why you get a bunch of YOU WON $$$ e-mails, or even those ads that say Enter our drawing for FREE. They are doing what others have succeeded with quickly, but these guys still believe they will continue to work, which they don't, usually they are new to marketing. You can usually find the EASY, QUICK BUCK methods on these black hat forums which give newbies step-by-step detailed instructions on how many money doing it. That's why it's so saturated. Many of the hottest topics include weight loss, sex, and most importantly, dating.

I agree on it all.

I'll always be a student of the game but I think it's important to know 100% if the person you're learning from is actually living the life they're trying to teach you how to get.

Like you said, pretty much, the real gurus actually have crazy mad skill, and the internet marketers will find info from the gurus, and from people they think are gurus and they package up the info all nice and neat and in their own words and it turns into a game of telephone where the solid info gets lost in a bunch of magic pill fluff.

(I never read anything by Blackdragon btw so I have no opinion on him just thought I should mention it because my little rant came from him lol. He could be very legit for all I know)

I wasted a lot of time throughout the last ten years chasing a secret that doesn't exist and avoiding the truth about the situation.