Pimp/ Pick up Artist multistage-...

[AfzalG]

so guys the last week i was in berlin and was patying every night i observed the women there since they are from all around the world...

i looked at the guys there and noticed that all men who were alpha in my eyes and my criterias didnt get any chicks and guys who were total looser or nerds had chicks literally running after them... i even betazied some guys there in a very rough way but it didnt change anything beside some laugher from their girls they still kept running after them... what i noticed there was that all the low value guys there were using simple pick up techniques like push and pull... pretending they have lost interest and so on...

that made me come to the conclusion that everything the most men, psychologiest or who so ever tells you about women like "women can smell your insecurities a mile a way" "women are very good in knowing pretty fast what kind of a man you are" "or women can sense if you are a looser running game" hell no they cant fuck this bullshit women arent smarter then man, i would say even dumber, sry if someone feels insulted by this but this is my observation...

so what i realized is, that it isnt really much of importance what kind of a man you are its more important how you act and treat her... being a high value man seems to be less important than being one who uses simple pick up tricks consequently...

even the most developed puas like julien rsd say that being sex worthy alone is not enough you have to make things happen because the most girls are total retards...

the only thing from what you will get from them by being more developed is that you will confuse them and make them testing you more or proving your ego to you... the most women will delay or reject sex with a high value or player male just to satisfy her ego because this means more to her than satisfying her sexuel needs which she will do with lower value man she knows they cant validate her (attention i am talking here about girl 20-30 you meet in clubs and bars)

i noticed that am, wm and sm will make you a high value man, but they wont teach you anything about tricking or manipulating women, they wont teach you game... so yes you will get the attention but you wont get laid if you have no game....!!!!!

you will end up getting tones of attention from women everywere you go but you wont be the one who gets laid unless you make it consciously happen by gaming techniques... and fuck this that every women goes for the alpha in the group if you are a real alpha you will only attract the women that goes for pure strong masculine men, and guess what they are not so many women like this today... so you will only have chance at 8-12% of the women...

becoming a higher value man will require a higher degree of game otherwise she wont believe you because it just seems to good to her because 99,9% arent like this so you will come over as a faker when you are indeed real... believe me i am not talking bullshit here using shanons women attraction subs for over 2 years now without a pause and am constantly gaming...

so i would klike to see shanon build a pimp/ pick up master multi stage sub
which will teach you all the game you need

preferably form, dicarlos pandoras box (to recognize what type of a women she is and what you have to do)
and julien cold approach pick up from the pimp set...

i want it to be straight suggestions like...

- dont answer her calls or messages immediatly
- if she flakes you the second time dump this piece of shit
- dont react to her drama


i also would like to have there techniques embedded for making her devote and submit...

like making her always cook for you, keeping your house and so on in short make her totally devote to you by principles in mickey royals instructional guide to pimp game...


i know shanon you are not a fan of pick up and you said you wont make new pick up subs... but you have to take in regard that the male user here are wiling to pay the most money on things that get them laid thats why am,wm and sm are the topseller of your subs... so why not making a new real pick up sub...

what do you guys think do you want a sub that teaches you real game....?

[ffaux]

How many times did you run AM6?

[AfzalG]

0 times...

[maxx55]

If it is gonna be based on Julien's Pimp and Shift, that'd be cool! I thought doing AM6 was supposed to have you there internally though.

[AfzalG]

yeah there is a lot of misconception about the subs....

[ffaux]

How many times did you run AM5?

[DarthXedonias]

Well, I would say that AM6 definitely gets you there internally (if used enough times). Its just that the subs (mainly AM6, SM3, WM2) won't give you the external skills you need. That's something as of right now you need to discover on your own, mostly from trial and error. Just in my opinion, I could see why such a PUA set wouldn't be viable though: (1) can you imagine how long the script would be if Shannon constantly had to tell you "don't do this, do this". (2)You have to think about what type of game the set is suppose to be based on. There are many types of game to choose from (Cocky/funny, Amused mastery,etc). That leads us to (3) I was under the impression that your suppose to be adaptable in when trying to get women? Not all women respond to the same type of game, therefore I could see limiting yourself through use of a sub based on one type of game could also limit your options in women. I remember watching a video where RSD Todd even admitted that there will be women that he approaches trying a certain type of game and they won't respond. So, he ends up trying different types until she does. Also, I could see the sub not helping in those situations that aren't "specifically" mentioned in the sub.

Also, i'm not entirely sold on the idea that you have to have "lots" of external skill. When I was thinking about how I wanted to be with women after my 1 and half year long AM6 refresher run I actually came across this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkOwheuxPzE

You'll notice that that the guy Todd is talking about is very strong internally but has very little in the way of external skills. Yet despite this he was getting all the women and having them ditch the instructor (who has way more external skill than him) to sleep with him. I have the feeling this is what AM would be like if you completely mastered it.

A PUA sub "could" work but there would be problems because of the things I mentioned.

*Edit* Also, as I mention about Shannon saying in another thread the PUA, with his skills, might be able to attract her at first but the question is can he keep her attracted over a long period of time. He might be able to sleep with her once or twice but sooner or later she is going to see how beta he is and its going to disgust her. Of course, if your only interested in ONS this is a moot point.

[AfzalG]

faux i did it once fully and once half way... why you ask

xedonias i dont see why a pure pua sub would be more complicated to build than am,wm and sm...

if you have read my post i mentioned that the sub should have the priniples of pandoras box and juliens pimp set which already cover all common types of women and how to deal with them...

and pua can be used in relationship very well...because if a girl has fallen in love with you because of pua she will still love you if you continue to be what you were when she met you, the problem is most guys change during relationship ... of course if your knowledge about pua is only superficial and not deep enough you wont be able to hold the girl...

another point i dont understand is why you guys always quote him, he is a subliminial audio specialist an expert in his area not in everything i noticed you guys quote him for everthing like he is a prophet, just because he makes the best subliminals in the world it doesnt mean he knows everything best, shanon is a expert for subs, not for women or psycholgy and so on....

[DarthXedonias]

Whoa, calm down. All I was saying is that it would be complicated in my opinion. I didn't see where you used the word Principles but I did see where you said:

"i want it to be straight suggestions like...
- dont answer her calls or messages immediatly
- if she flakes you the second time dump this piece of shit
- dont react to her drama"

So I thought you wanted the "whole" sub to be based on straight suggestions since I didn't see the word principles anywhere in your first post til towards the very end. Therefore, that's why I thought it would be complicated, but if its actually just the principles that's a different story.The only thing is that I have watched Julien's Pimp set and honestly the inner game position of the set seemed exactly what your suppose to get with AM6. I still like the program but when it got to that part the stuff he was saying seemed exactly like the principles in AM6.

As for the quote, I only used that to emphasize that external skills can only work so far and that I think internal skills are even more important. Having external skills is still good but I would see them them as a secondary based on what I've seen other guys do and my own past experiences. Also, I only quote Shannon Shannon when its something having to do with the instructions or when I remember him saying something insightful that applies to the current conversation. Has nothing to do with seeing him as some type of prophet or anything.

[ffaux]

faux i did it once fully and once half way... why you ask

I'm trying to understand your experience in the context of how solid your AM base is. I'm doing my second AM run and will do a third before starting WM because I don't feel like I've got all of what AM promised. I was wondering how much of your frustration would have come from a shaky AM foundation.

[maxx55]

AfzalG, regarding what you said about how RSD teaches PUA, THANK YOU! Most guys just want a trick that's gonna help them get let asap, but they teach true inner principles that really change people.

I do believe if Shannon took the time out to look at Shift, Pimp, Pandora's Box, etc. and created a sub that tells you the correct outward actions to take, it'd be very effective and useful. And it'd probably need AM as a pre-requisite. But whether or not Shannon will actually do such a thing...not so sure

[TheRealJustin]

You shouldn't see women as something that you get to clean and cook for you and just completely dominate. Sounds more like you want a slave.

A PUA sub, to me would be a horrible idea because there is no one way to attract all women. Some women want a guy to call right away, some don't. Some women want loads of attention, some want to be ignored. Some women want a decisive masculine to the point man, some women want a sensitive man. Some women want a party boy, some want a business man.

There is no, "do this and the girls will like you'. Marketers will take your money all day and tell you there is a "method', but there isn't.

Do you get a coked out stripper the same way you get a goodie good straight A smart girl that doesn't drink or do drugs? FU*K NO!

One thing all women have in common is they just want to have fun. Girls just want to have fun just like the song says. They go where the fun is.

The type of girl you described that you want would most likely be a girl with super duper extremely low self esteem.

Being muscular/manly/dominate is not the same thing as alpha. It's not about brute force it's about charm and charisma, and being fun to be around, and then all the pua "don't be needy" stuff is just the sprinkle on top, it shouldn't be your main focus.

If anything, a sub on being a super fun, outgoing, social, charismatic guy that everyone loves to be around that's light hearted and loving would work wayyyyyyyy better than a sub based on pua tactics. ESPECIALLY since all pua is; is marketing.

Hey, give me all your money and I'll tell you the secret to get women. It's all b.s. RSD has some good stuff, but at the end of the day, it's all 100% marketing bullsh*t.

The guys you saw at the club probably don't even know what the hell pua is. That's most likely just their personality. Fun, outgoing, charasmatic, funny, flirty, none needy, outcome independent guys. Just 'cool' guys that women gravitate towards.

There is no special tactic or method, so programming your brain to think that there is would be a bad idea.

I'm not trying to hate on you or rain on your parade or anything, just trying to shift your focus to view women in a better light.

[AfzalG]

faux i am not frustrated i still get my chicks i am just complaining on a high level.... all i want here is to get shanon to make us a sub that will get us more vags.... about the am foundation i have postet something in my journal... it seems that guys here are measuring ones progress on the number of runthroughs someone has done, but i measure it on the external results and success someone gets even if internally he might come over as not stable, civilized or developed i just dont care

i am sure am, wm and sm are the best subs on the world but i am also sure they would have been better if shanon had made them with the help of a real pick up master.... (half of wm is built on cory skys principles by the way...)

realjustin.... if you had studied pandoras box and or juliens stuff you wouldnt write this because thats excactly what they teach that different women need different methods and you are wrong if you think there is no method for everything in life there is a method ... everything can be learned and in everthing there will be poeple who reach a level where they have secret knowledge...

no problem i know you are not hating me and even if you were i wouldnt care its just internet at the end everyone will believe what he finds is right

i choose to think about them like this because i want to the thats the reality i like.... if you think a women is a slave because she cooks and does the household for you then this is your opinion my women told me that they like to do this but had never done this before to another guy because he was not demanding enough and therefore not worthy... they tell me that deep down they think "man = boss" but the most guys are to much of pussys so they dont see a reason why they should obey them and thats why they tell the most men that they dont want this....

i also talked yesterday with my 2 girlfriends and said to them that i think women are not smarter than men and that 99,9 % of the women are dumb sluts and both agreed and gave me respect for telling the truth...

the truth is like julien says women have no real directions in life they will accept any direction you give them if you are strong enough... so if you see them as a loving housewife she will be, if you see her as a goddess she will be.... thats why my women are telling me after short time that they want to be my whores and even accept me having other girls in my life... its your life so you have the choice which direction you will go and what you will accept as a truth or not if you believe pua is useless and marketing you will never get result from it but this is ok you will go after this what you think is right...

i am not saying here that i have the real wisdom and truth i am just showing/telling you whats possible and how my reality looks like... whats possible for me wont be for you and whats possible or right for you wont be for me... thats all...


the subs will onyl unleash your inner potential determined by your genes, experience and skills you have thats why you cant expect guy a to get the same results as guy b, you can expect me to think like you and i cant expect you to think like me... if you want the same things another guy has you have to do the same as he does thats why i never hated or judged a guy who had a lot of women and mistreated them (from my point of view back then) thats why i am now becoming this guy

thats for now wish you all a great day

[stratos]

on top of the cooking and cleaning is getting your women to do things that help you make a lot more money. then you can have other people assist in cooking and cleaning for you and your women. build empire, alpha = king (or warrior as in afzal's case until he builds his empire, or other patterns like spiritual type who master the unknown). women need to make a material contribution in my opinion to get a ticket to your show.

as afzal said a woman will accept any direction you give them if you are strong enough, think that one through. sex cooking cleaning is only the beginning of what they can contribute.