Overcome premature ejaculation

[lokko]

So many questions with this sub, will I ever find the right answers who knows?

Can I play this sub during sex?
When should I test the outcomes of the sub, as in, should I try having sex a week or so in. Will this affect my gains.
Will porn or just masturbation affect my gains?
Will this need 6 months of listening for it to be a completely permanent cure?

If this sub works I'll believe these subs 100%. Will get rid of any "placebo" thoughts I have once in awhile. And customer for life if shannon keeps producing great subs.


So Bought this sub lastnight. Played it right after and when I woke up I remember parts of my dream. I had these two black girls hating eachother but they used to be best friends. I was trying to fix their problems. At the same time I couldn't pick which one to fuck. I was worried they would chose to not have sex with me if they both knew I wanted to fuck em. Alright, worrying part of my P.E has arised I think

[Womanizer]

I hope it works man because I too plan on using this sub , I ordered some Pe pills to help treat it ; which Il be using in the late stages of Sm.

[lokko]

Same here. Nothing worked for me. I mean they helped improve it, cause it was worse before but nothing to cure it. I used to ejaculate from dry humping. Now I ejaculate after 15 seconds of intercourse if I don't stop. So I do pull out as soon as I feel it and I'm able to last a bit longer. With oral sex, and pulling out I'm able to satisfy a girl but not able to with just straight intercourse.

I never gave reverse kegels a long enough chance. And also the technique where you masturbate to a point of no return, stop and then start back. I hope this helps me cure the problem and possibly make me committ to these techniques.

[Shannon]

So many questions with this sub, will I ever find the right answers who knows?

Can I play this sub during sex?

It is designed to affect only males. That should mean you can use it during sex.

When should I test the outcomes of the sub, as in, should I try having sex a week or so in. Will this affect my gains.

First of all, you're going to have to be careful not to fall into the slippery slope trap here. If you continue having sex as normal, you can't be looking for results. Let them come as they will, and don't have expectations. Every man will respond to the program a little differently, and how fast it takes hold will differ from man to man. You can't go have sex and then decide whether the program works based on that because it's designed to achieve it's goals over at least 3 months of usage. That's not to say it might not work in a week or two or three. That is to say, using it for X amount of time less than 3 months will not necessarily give you an accurate assessment of how well it is actually working, and you can cause problems for yourself by assuming that the program does or does not work based on experiences before the three months of usage mark. So... use it as instructed, I recommend 12+ hours a day, and have sex as usual. Don't have expectations, don't look for results, just let the program do its thing.

This is a tricky situation because if I recommend you not have sex for a week, as I would normally do, you may end up being easier to set off because of having had no sex during that time, and if not, well it may not have had enough time to produce a noticeable result. So just have sex as usual, use the program, and if you expect anything, expect that it'll probably be a gradual change from one state to the other over the next 3 months.

Will porn or just masturbation affect my gains?

Porn, I don't know. It seems more likely than not. I suggest using your imagination instead of porn.

Masturbation is basically training yourself to achieve orgasm quickly, unless you practice denying yourself immediate orgasm. That's true whether or not you are using the program. If you are using the program and masturbating, don't just go straight to orgasm. Start getting close and then backing off, training yourself to last longer that way.

If you're one of the guys who can masturbate and pop in a few minutes but still has self control during sex, that shouldn't be an issue. But likely you would not be using this program if that was the case.

Will this need 6 months of listening for it to be a completely permanent cure?

Point 1: I am not a doctor. I cannot make claims to "cure" anything.
Point 2: This is not designed to be, nor intended to be, nor expressly stated or implied to be a cure for anything.

That said, it will depend on you as to how well it works, how long it takes to work, and how long term the change is, but if I were you and I wanted it to be long term or permanent, I would do the following:

A) Change your thinking. That's where this issue originates from. You currently have subconscious programming that results in this happening. That's what the program is designed to do.
B) Understand that you're not just having the program help you, you are training yourself to respond differently. Once you get to a certain point in your training, the program will be less important that your will. That is to say, for instance, that a man who has achieved self control and self mastery can choose to release quickly or last as long as he likes in most cases. You go into sex knowing that "This is going to be a quickie", or "I'm going to take my time on this." Then you simply make that your result.

Part of what a man has trouble with in premature ejaculation is the expectation of ejaculating prematurely. That is to say, repeated experiences have led him to actually program himself to do it more because he has come to expect that "since it happened the last X times, it will happen again this time." That is based on a faulty logic precept, which is called insisting on the past: just because something happened in the past, does not mean it will happen in the future. So kill that expectation, and the doors to success open up. The program will help with that a lot.

Another thing is that you have to be calm and confident during sex. Calm as in, I have control of myself and my emotions, and I can do things how I want to do them, not because I am desperately horny. If you're insanely horny during sex, and then experience premature ejaculation, well then, son, you didn't clear out the pipes enough before hand. A lot of guys will masturbate before a date or get together so they can last longer when the time comes. Sometimes two or three times!

Furthermore, when you're with a woman, stop worrying about what she thinks, and start thinking about hat you're doing. You're there to be half of (half of) a team who are enjoying one another during sex. You have your part to play, and she has her part to play. Her part is relatively much easier. She can literally do nothing, and still do her part. The guy has a lot more active part in the whole thing, and unfortunately because this society is mental in some ways, he will be judged by her as to how good he is, when she may be literally doing nothing but laying there. Seems a little bass ackwards to me. But I digress.

Stop worrying about what she thinks of you. Approach this as, I'm going to do my part so that we both have a good time. To that end, there is a secret to good sex, and it's pretty simple. SHE COMES FIRST. No, not as in the put her ahead of yourself, but as in, you can make her feel amazing and achieve orgasm and even more than once before you ever put tab A in slot B. And even without ever putting tab A in slot B. Trying to get a woman off with your penis without ever touching her, licking her, kissing her, etc. is an advanced approach and you don't want to do that if you're having premature ejaculation issues. That "I have to get her off" pressure is likely actually contributing to those issues!

So instead, approach sex from the point of view that, "I'm going to make sure she is satisfied before I ever get inside her." She can't complain that you did a bad job if she's happy before you start. And touching her, licking her and otherwise causing her to orgasm without involving the penis is a lot of fun for you both!

You want to get a rep for being an awesome lover? Learn how to get her off more than once without involving your penis. And it's not hard to do. You have to be familiar with the female sexual anatomy, BE GENTLE WITH HER, and learn how to give pleasure with your tongue. Which also is not difficult, aside from that every woman likes things done a little differently. So if you want to be a good lover you have to either have lots of practice with different women (get to know what women in general like and respond to), or lots of practice with one woman (get to know what your particular female likes and responds to).

This sub will be a huge help to you, but nothing is going to take the place of common sense. If you know that so far, every time you get inside her you pop in X number of seconds or strokes, then... DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY! Stop trying to jump inside her! Star trying to enjoy her without involving your penis right off the bat.

You cannot go wrong if she's had hers before you even try to start having yours. Always remember that.

If this sub works I'll believe these subs 100%. Will get rid of any "placebo" thoughts I have once in awhile. And customer for life if shannon keeps producing great subs.

So Bought this sub lastnight. Played it right after and when I woke up I remember parts of my dream. I had these two black girls hating eachother but they used to be best friends. I was trying to fix their problems. At the same time I couldn't pick which one to ****. I was worried they would chose to not have sex with me if they both knew I wanted to **** em. Alright, worrying part of my P.E has arised I think

Take the pressure off. Sex doesn't have to involve penis until quite a ways in, and even then, it does not have to be involved for everyone present to have a good time.

Try having sex sometime without ever getting inside her. It's a lot of fun. Be creative, instead of getting stuck in a rut and always doing the same thing based on the same assumptions about how sex has to be.

[lokko]

Thanks for the thorough reply to my questions Shannon. Cleared what I had in mind.

One thing I noticed is while using earphones I can hear a guy talking in my left ear, cant make out what he's saying but I know it's someone talking. When I used premature ejaculation 3g for a month I also heard someone talking.

I stopped the 3g version of this sub because I wanted to do ltu first. Anyhow. Is this normal for a 5g sub? to hear someone talking.

[Shannon]

It's possible. Depends on which of the masked formats you use. It's easier with trickling stream than ocean surf, because there's less "body" to the trickling stream track to fully cover it at standard volume that I use for subliminalizing the masked programs.

Interesting that it's in your left ear only, because the volume is the same in both ears for both mask and subliminal content. Perhaps your hearing is better in one ear than the other, or you need new headphones?

[lokko]

True, I'm using trickling stream.

As far as only left ear, I didn't actual do tests to see if it was just my left ear but as far as hearing it better, it sounded like left ear only so couldn't say. Also I don't hear anyone talking anymore. Maybe if I'm listening to it for a couple of hours my ears pick up on the talking. Not sure. I'll report back if I ever hear it again.

As far as results and dreams.

I masturbated to some girls FB picture, imagining doing her and came within minutes. No improvement on that, but its only been a few days.

i had a dream lastnight I was dry humping my ex and came quick in my dream and when I woke up, I realized I came in real life too. I haven't had wet dreams in a while. This time I'm surprised I had a wet dream because I masturbated the same day. I usually only get wet dreams if I haven't released the demon, I mean semen in 2-3 weeks :p. Is this resistance? who knows.

Hopefully somethings in the works!

[Dubls]

Lokko you're the first to journal OPE 5G. I'm super interested in your results. Please keep us posted!

[lokko]

Thanks essy will do!

I can't remember my dreams enough so far but this morning I woke up crying. I had a dream I rescued some little boy and brought him to his grandpa and he was so excited screaming "grandpa! grandpa! in so much joy" I woke up crying cause it made me think of the hidden love I have for my grandpa and how I don't express it to him.

I later watched some masterbation porn of girls to see how sensitive my penis feels and I have the urge to cum real fast. Like I had to control myself from releasing. Not sure why I feel like cuming faster. Resistance? we'll see

[lokko]

I'm having dreams but they have nothing to do with sex or anything of guilt, shame etc..I wish ephra or something was in this sub..

I attempt to masterbate and feel the urge to cum quick...ahhh the frustration is real..

[RTBoss]

Invest in a Fleshlight - feels pretty real, especially if you warm it up first. Then go to town on it as often as possible. It'll assist in learning a little control.

Or do what Shannon said. Release many times before your encounter - you'll last longer.

[lokko]

if I didn't live at home with brothers and sisters around I would lol

[Shannon]

Lokko, the program is designed to get you past premature ejaculation. It assumes you are actually having sex with a real live female when you are experiencing this issue. Coming quickly when you masturbate is not PME, it's called "normal". It's also very easy to stop masturbating and let yourself calm down hen you feel yourself getting excited.

Are you actually having sex with real women?

[lokko]

Lokko, the program is designed to get you past premature ejaculation. It assumes you are actually having sex with a real live female when you are experiencing this issue. Coming quickly when you masturbate is not PME, it's called "normal". It's also very easy to stop masturbating and let yourself calm down hen you feel yourself getting excited.

Are you actually having sex with real women?

Okay. I haven't been actively looking for sex partners so I'm now reaching out to my old friends with benefits chick and will start having sex again if she's down again.

As far as dreams, I recently had dreams where I felt guilt come up. Don't remember the dream too wepl but this is a good sign. Also sexual dreams coming. Not having sex in my dreams but half naked woman are showing up in my dreams.