This is a post meant as a continuation to my DMSI journal: https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Bounc...#pid270530
In the last couple of days, I've felt an inversion of my attitudes toward casual sex and sexualizing women. Even if this is deep resistance to DMSI, I want to explore these thoughts in case they evaporate.
I'm wondering as to whether the "goal" - and even the positive mental posture - toward frivolous sex with women that I don't romantically care for is both corrupting to society (and those women) and corrosive to my own spirit and long-term development.
Even without the spiritual overtures, if one were to sex up dozens - even hundreds - of women, with all of the neurochemical implications, and send them back into society, how much is that dis-equilibrating them, and by implication their future choices, relationships, and downstream consequences?
It's not lost on me that I was raised Catholic - an upbringing which I've rejected and mocked as a teenager and through most of my 20s - and that there is an imposition involved from this faith; one which I'm slowly learning about now that I've entered my 30s.
I've felt a challenge to my current ways, where I lack the discipline to achieve my goals and dreams. To the point that I might still have child-like attitudes toward the world, and I just need to grow up and handle greater levels of responsibility, and to become of service to others.
Furthermore, I've felt an inner shift to challenge whether my long-standing goals and dreams have existed to obtain vainglory (pride), to get back at people or to dangle my attainments over them (wrath), or to be able to take a massive step back from life's responsibilities and to simply enjoy life (sloth/gluttony). These are valuable questions, even if asked by a secular person.
And for large portions of my life, lust: I've fixated on women, sex, pussy, my ability to get these things, the implications of not getting these things during droughts, my juggling of a few girls when that was available to me, or my pathologizing of women when they wouldn't "give" anything to me, even when they cut a basic conversation short. Since a couple of years ago, my desire to put up with all of these frustrations has been at a minimal, and this is likely accompanied with a 5-10% lower libido, which makes a surprising difference.
There's a YouTube creator called 'Father Moses' - an Orthodox Christian - who makes a rather secular case related to the ideas here, and he is applying a challenge to young men in a grounded, masculine way. I feel called out, and I feel the pull to correct these tendencies.
I've seen another faith-based creator break down the philosophy of Andrew Tate and compared it to Aristotelian ethics; it weaved in Thomas Aquinas and Saint Augustine, and it had surprisingly cogent views on lust, pride, sloth, much more nuanced than the other normally-commercialized "7 Deadly Sins". The Christian faith is fully aware of the calls of the Body, and it is distinguished from the spiritual calling, one which has you walking a "narrow path", constantly warding off temptations in many forms.
On the other hand, I've been well aware of a YouTube creator and dating coach named 'John Anthony Lifestyle', who touts a "body count" of 2000 women. He has a dating system where he treats the process of meet-to-bed like a production line, with text scripts and in-person processes. He claims that women on his rotation, along with new women, go to his apartment throughout the day, and he fucks them, later sending them on their way because he has a "business call" to attend to. I have a couple of his courses.
It's not predatory, per se, since plenty of women love sex, and a fraction of them don't mind keeping it casual. However, at scale, he expresses a less-than-transparent attitude of not revealing that he's sleeping around with all these other women, and not discussing where the relationship is going. Plenty of women might continue to see him with the hidden hope of turning things around, but they're pursuing a false hope.
All of his efforts are built on the central premise of making his pee-pee feel good; of rubbing your dick in some strange (hot) woman's pussy until you cum in it. It's scratching a primal itch, compulsively, with no thought to the long-term implications, his purpose in life, or culminating his life toward any lofty goal. And since he's gotten very good at scratching this itch, he's not in the position of needing to question his motives.
However, if all of these chaste attitudes - and an overall narrow path - are predicated on the existence of a particular deity, and this deity isn't real/doesn't exist (more or less how I feel about it), this doesn't invalidate the existence of this narrow path. It simply means that there is less psychological fuel to pursue this path, given that there wouldn't be any Universal/Absolute accountability once you leave this world, and that awareness could definitely lax one's standards.
And so, I'd like to hear your thoughts.
In the last couple of days, I've felt an inversion of my attitudes toward casual sex and sexualizing women. Even if this is deep resistance to DMSI, I want to explore these thoughts in case they evaporate.
I'm wondering as to whether the "goal" - and even the positive mental posture - toward frivolous sex with women that I don't romantically care for is both corrupting to society (and those women) and corrosive to my own spirit and long-term development.
Even without the spiritual overtures, if one were to sex up dozens - even hundreds - of women, with all of the neurochemical implications, and send them back into society, how much is that dis-equilibrating them, and by implication their future choices, relationships, and downstream consequences?
It's not lost on me that I was raised Catholic - an upbringing which I've rejected and mocked as a teenager and through most of my 20s - and that there is an imposition involved from this faith; one which I'm slowly learning about now that I've entered my 30s.
I've felt a challenge to my current ways, where I lack the discipline to achieve my goals and dreams. To the point that I might still have child-like attitudes toward the world, and I just need to grow up and handle greater levels of responsibility, and to become of service to others.
Furthermore, I've felt an inner shift to challenge whether my long-standing goals and dreams have existed to obtain vainglory (pride), to get back at people or to dangle my attainments over them (wrath), or to be able to take a massive step back from life's responsibilities and to simply enjoy life (sloth/gluttony). These are valuable questions, even if asked by a secular person.
And for large portions of my life, lust: I've fixated on women, sex, pussy, my ability to get these things, the implications of not getting these things during droughts, my juggling of a few girls when that was available to me, or my pathologizing of women when they wouldn't "give" anything to me, even when they cut a basic conversation short. Since a couple of years ago, my desire to put up with all of these frustrations has been at a minimal, and this is likely accompanied with a 5-10% lower libido, which makes a surprising difference.
There's a YouTube creator called 'Father Moses' - an Orthodox Christian - who makes a rather secular case related to the ideas here, and he is applying a challenge to young men in a grounded, masculine way. I feel called out, and I feel the pull to correct these tendencies.
I've seen another faith-based creator break down the philosophy of Andrew Tate and compared it to Aristotelian ethics; it weaved in Thomas Aquinas and Saint Augustine, and it had surprisingly cogent views on lust, pride, sloth, much more nuanced than the other normally-commercialized "7 Deadly Sins". The Christian faith is fully aware of the calls of the Body, and it is distinguished from the spiritual calling, one which has you walking a "narrow path", constantly warding off temptations in many forms.
On the other hand, I've been well aware of a YouTube creator and dating coach named 'John Anthony Lifestyle', who touts a "body count" of 2000 women. He has a dating system where he treats the process of meet-to-bed like a production line, with text scripts and in-person processes. He claims that women on his rotation, along with new women, go to his apartment throughout the day, and he fucks them, later sending them on their way because he has a "business call" to attend to. I have a couple of his courses.
It's not predatory, per se, since plenty of women love sex, and a fraction of them don't mind keeping it casual. However, at scale, he expresses a less-than-transparent attitude of not revealing that he's sleeping around with all these other women, and not discussing where the relationship is going. Plenty of women might continue to see him with the hidden hope of turning things around, but they're pursuing a false hope.
All of his efforts are built on the central premise of making his pee-pee feel good; of rubbing your dick in some strange (hot) woman's pussy until you cum in it. It's scratching a primal itch, compulsively, with no thought to the long-term implications, his purpose in life, or culminating his life toward any lofty goal. And since he's gotten very good at scratching this itch, he's not in the position of needing to question his motives.
However, if all of these chaste attitudes - and an overall narrow path - are predicated on the existence of a particular deity, and this deity isn't real/doesn't exist (more or less how I feel about it), this doesn't invalidate the existence of this narrow path. It simply means that there is less psychological fuel to pursue this path, given that there wouldn't be any Universal/Absolute accountability once you leave this world, and that awareness could definitely lax one's standards.
And so, I'd like to hear your thoughts.
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