07-31-2017, 11:53 AM
(07-31-2017, 10:27 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote:(07-31-2017, 10:00 AM)mat422 Wrote: The problem lies in the fact that none of us are completely objective. Like if someone holds the belief that being an asshole is what attracts women to you and tries to be nice it won't work because their personal reality is asshole= results. What I'm trying to get at is results don't always determine the objective truth. Not if the thing analyzing these truths is as subjective as the human mind. The thing is with our beliefs sometimes they are so ingrained in us and so much a part of our reality we can't think outside of the box. They are hidden, we can't access them so we naturally assume they aren't there. Then comes confirmation bias where we only collect evidence or see what we want to see to support that internal belief structure.
I'm going to have to disagree with you here.
If something doesn't yield external results, it does not work (for the person using it).
The reason why so many different things work for so many different people is because people are different. What works for one might not work for another. But still, if something gives external results, it DOES "work". Whoever is analyzing it is irrelevant. The external results are the objective reality.
Now, I agree some people may not be self-aware enough to know what, exactly, is causing the results. Like in the case of the jerk, "treat women like shit!" is his motto, but maybe the reason it works is because he and the girls are having fun while he does it, and that is what is really turning them on. Not him treating them like shit, but his self-amusement and including them.
I want to chime in here :angel:
If something isn't working for you as a person, but it does work for someone else. It's in your subjective reality that this thing doesn't work. But in the objective reality, there is something, a variable that isn't right. Else it would've brought you the same result.
So then comes the question of why don't some things work when another person does it? Well, I've talked a little about it earlier, and while I certainly don't have all the answers. A lot of it comes from your beliefs in your intentions. I've made this example before and I make it now again.
If a man pulls a woman's hair it can be seen as dominating and sexually arousing, but it can also be seen as assaulting a woman. What is it that decide these different perspectives of the seemingly exact same thing?
The intentions, principles, and beliefs behind these actions bring forward the different results.
With that example of a guy believing he can treat women like shit and get laid. It's like you say the feelings he gives these girls by the way he's acting that (may) get him laid. But objectively his beliefs is faulty, even if they do get him "the results". Subjectively they work, but objectively they are faulty.
There may be some truth in these beliefs making them work (subjectively) for that person, but this person most likely fails to comprehend the bigger picture to make this an objective reality. Not to mention each time a woman gives him a "good response" he will strengthen these beliefs even more and more, believing they are correct while they aren't.