HOY-Because I HAD to try it...

[Shannon]

Hey Rono, Awesome results in only a little time. I glad your wife is starting to realize that there is something to subconscious mind. I can't wait for your results when you do the full run of this program.

Your wife can run HOWL after this one if she needs it.

Thanks man!
The results are impressive so far, just not impressive in certain key areas (libido, etc.) that are extremely important even in the short term while awaiting the full realization of the possible effects. Plus you're not supposed to be taking anything that would help with those things in the meantime... kind of a catch-22. So far I'm managing that part but a bit concerned how long it will go like this.

Then, along the same lines Shannon says something to the effect in the info sheet, 'use this sub as long as you want the effects'. So once I get to where I want hormonally, I need to wander off the reservation in order to use other subliminals. 

So, if my wife LIKES the results she's getting, how long does she need to be off this one, in order to use that one?

Unless, the effects become more prolonged once you've done the sub for a good 3-6 months maybe the effects become semi-permanent?

So while I am very impressed right now, I am wondering what the next year will look like. Am I going to be listening to this sub at night most of the rest of my life in order to get the effects for the rest of my life? I'll be asking Shannon this question once he is back at it.

Thanks for the feedback! My hope is that it is useful for everyone. It's a real-world experience of a healthy couple in their mid-60s.

Cheers!
RonO

I am a bit surprised by the lower libido, but that can probably be explained by the TRT being more T than you ever naturally produced.  If it's not that then the only thing I can think of is that you're selectively fighting that one point for some reason.  Is anything else you take, like kratom, potential to influence that negatively?

Unfortunately, manipulating the hormones requires a constant and ongoing effort.  There does not seem to be anything I can do about that, at least not right now.  You'll have to stick with this program while you want the effects it gives.  I know, I'm killing my sales this way, but I'd rather be honest and you get what you paid for.

So, if my wife LIKES the results she's getting, how long does she need to be off this one, in order to use that one?

A week off is good, but here's the thing.  You may be experiencing weight loss on this, but as strange as it sounds, that may not hold with HOWL.  HOWL is designed for people who want to lose weight, but do not have a specific emotional or psychological reason for being over their (consciously) desired weight.  If she has such a situation - and based on her response to the appetite suppressant, she does - HOWL may not work, or may not work as well.  So just stick with this one for a while and see how you like it.

Am I going to be listening to this sub at night most of the rest of my life in order to get the effects for the rest of my life?

No, I'll eventually know enough to upgrade it and improve it.  Hopefully I will find a way to make these effects long term.  But who knows?  I can only do the best I can do within the limits of real world conditions. 

Thanks for the feedback.

Thank YOU for the feedback @Shannon!  I'm baffled that I can feel the stimulation of my metabolism almost too much, and yet, the initial libido boost I had has faded badly.

Kratom in the quantities I am taking has never had a negative impact on libido (quite the opposite, to a small degree in fact). For a couple months I was pain free and completely went off of it and didn't notice either improvement nor reduction to any great degree.

We'll keep watching her progress on the weight and report as there are progress/changes of interest. I'm not losing any more, but I'm the lowest I've been for a long time I'm 6'2" and recently been weighing in at 184. I have always felt best at 187-195, but I'm doing ok and trying to eat more.

When I was young, I had LOTS of T and a LOT of libido. It was insane. In my mid 40s I had a crash due to diet. I was following 'health food' advice and going vegan, eating a lot of soy (for the protein) and ended up with a hormone crash that did not resolve after going off the soy.... a couple years later I came down with hyperthyroid and lost oodles of weight became shaky, etc. survived that one. Soooo... when I think about 'younger years' or 'youthfulness' I think in terms of mid twenties because that was when I was definitely at my best. 

We'll see... hopefully the libido is just a little slow in responding to the sub.

Question: if I bought the other sub "sexual arousal magnifier" would that fold into a weekly or twice-weekly protocol for when we are having 'date night'? To give myself a boost while not feeling particularly game?

Cheers!
RonO

Because the hormones these two are affecting are being affected in a similar direction, it should not be too disruptive.  Give it a try and if it causes issues, then don't mix them.  But for use once or twice a week, it should be okay.