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[CatMan]

As I said to you before...thank you VERY much for creating this thread! Wonderful work, this will be a massive help to the community. Well done. Subscribing.

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LaizenGold777 have you read any posts where Shannon discusses using affirmations whilst using his subliminal programs?

[AlphaMind]

Ffaux, here.

Your welcome

[GlaizenGold777]

:: Manifestation ::

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Interesting thread. I wish I had read it sooner.

We are not nothing but our thoughts and beliefs, by the way. Beliefs make up a lot of what one part of us is. There is also the self, which is being guided by the beliefs, and other stuff as well.

Andrew's comment on the Law of Attraction shows how one is the product of more than their thoughts. A person is a product of their natural responsive inclinations, the way they experience the world around them, and what they experience as a result, among other things. My experiences etc. have led me to a very different conclusion about the law of attraction. I have seen it in action countless times in ways that defy what Andrew believes. Andrew has not. So for him, that makes more sense; for me, what I have concluded makes more sense. I'm not saying Andrew is wrong, or even less right. It just seems to boil down to different manner of thinking and different experiences. How you think affects what you experience, as well as how you interpret it.

I can say, though, that I have more than a few stories that would be ridiculous to explain as statistical chance. If my experiences have just been random chance, then I am the luckiest man alive. I myself would never believe half of what I have experienced, if I didn't experience it. But there's more going on than simply the law of attraction. That is only one of a set of interacting laws, and it is usually the only one mentioned because it's simplified, and people like everything to be simple and pre-digested these days. You can't take a tree and reduce it to a leaf, and then expect it to function as a tree. A leaf is a leaf; not a tree. Same with anything else. The whole system has to be understood, not just one small piece, taken out of context.

That said, a quarter with a red dot in the middle is entirely possible to "manifest". And one way to do so is exactly what Andrew stated: you can simply go get one and paint a red dot on it yourself. The result of energy directed by will is what attraction and manifestation are about, so to some degree, any action you make is going to be an avenue for the expression of the Law of Attraction. That certainly isn't the only way you can get results, but it is a valid way.

But why bother trying to manifest such a silly thing? Try manifesting something that is meaningful to you. The more deeply involved you are with getting it, the more you are attached emotionally to the outcome, the more you are passionately wanting or needing it, the more energy and focus you'll naturally give it, and the better your subconscious will understand the request and have the means (energy) to make something happen. The universe we live in is responsive to us, as long as we provide the right conditions for triggering the response we desire. And yes, it is possible to trigger a response purely by thinking about something you want. But the less action you take physically, the more energy you must expend in other directions to trigger the desired result, because "there ain't no such thing as a free lunch". That's why the manifestation subliminals take months to work, instead of weeks; typically, when I do an active manifestation, it takes about 2 weeks for me to get what I want from the process. But passive manifestation takes a lot longer. Less energy, passion, desire and focus per unit of time.

If you want to use the law of attraction, there are also some other rules you need to observe. The chiefest of which is... observe silence. When you choose a goal, and you tell someone else about that goal, you involve their mental and emotional responses to your goal in the manifestation process. And in the beginning, that desired outcome is so simple, so undeveloped as a physical thing that it is easy to destroy it before it ever gets close to manifesting by telling someone who responds in the wrong way. I have experienced that first hand more than a few times. So it's an observed rule of practice for a lot of practitioners of the art of manifestation or attraction that they keep silent about their goal until they are finished manifesting it. And it always appears to the skeptic to be coincidence, when it does. But even if you accept the idea that it might be coincidence, how many "coincidences" can you just explain away like that? Eventually, the statistical odds will become overwhelmingly against that explanation if you know how to manifest properly, and do it more than a few times.

As for self confidence, I am glad you're getting results from the program, but keep in mind that it's aimed at one goal, and you may need a boost in a number of different areas, from what I am hearing. So don't think that self confidence subliminal is going to necessarily be helpful with every challenge you have. But definitely keep going.

The first time I used it, I didn't notice anything at all for the first two weeks, and then BAM, I wasn't even recognizable to my friends anymore. My confidence went through the roof, and it felt awesome. Over the years since, it's slowly been increasing, and I have noticed something about myself. Every time I push myself into something I didn't think I could do previously, I re-define what "normal" is. What I have accomplished at this point, seems normal to me - but 5 years ago, I would never have been able to believe such things were even remotely possible for me. And you're right, subliminals often work in slow, subtle ways, which are most obvious looking back. Or, looking up from the hole you dig yourself if you stop using them too soon. lol

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I've seen the effects and powers of subliminals that change ourselves and brainwave entrainment products. Though I'm still somewhat skeptical of how "attract your" products work and other products that use manifestation.

I do not see our brains being powerful enough to be able to make things come into existence or compel something else to do our bidding off of thought alone. I understand that the script of "I am confident" could very well make me confident, but the script of something like "I manifest a hot chick into dropping her panties and wanting me" doesn't exactly have me convinced.

I'm guessing that it's somehow supposed to make you put yourself into positions that would make you be more likely to encounter whatever you're trying to manifest, but I'm just grasping at straws here.

Anyone here that can enlighten me?

Thanks

The personal consciousness is effective at manifesting things, when the right steps are taken. The how and why are complex.

To generate a manifestation, you need to have a clearly defined goal. You need to have the necessary energy to cause the manifestation. You need to have a goal that is actually achievable. And you have to "ask for it" in the right way, and then not self sabotage.

A clearly defined goal is no big surprise. The necessary energy is going to require one of three things.

1. A very small goal, which you can personally power with your own energy all at once.
2. A series of energy additions over time, as you have the energy, which accumulate into being what the manifestation needed to manifest. This is how the subliminals work.
3. Some external energy source that can power the manifestation for you.

The goal must actually be achievable. If you ask for your primary soul mate, and that person is dead, it won't work. For example.

You must ask for it in the right way. Basically, your subconscious mind must understand what it is you want, and that you want it. How to do this is beyond the scope of this discussion. The subliminal is an ideal method for achieving this.

And then last but not least, you cannot self sabotage. A lot of people use manifestation subliminals and then self sabotage because they cannot bring themselves to just leave it alone and let it happen. They are so amazed that it might work that they watch for it, or so skeptical, and they obsess about how it will manifest, instead of allowing it to just happen. These things frequently de-rail the results.

If you can't bring yourself to believe it could work, simple solution: don't use it.

If you think you can just set it and forget it, and let it do it's thing... try it.

Thank you for taking the time to explain, but the complex part is exactly the answer I was looking for.

I've already got a copy of a Attract ___ from the sale since it was on sale and even if it doesn't work, I don't mind making a "donation" to subliminal shop because the other things I've gotten have already worked wonders in my life and I've gotten way more than I've paid for. I'll test it later on, but I've already gotten way too many good things that I want to use first. In any case, regardless of whether it works or not, I'd still love to know how it works and not just that it works.

I'm wondering exactly on the "how and why". If you ever have the time and don't mind doing so, please explain that part, thank you.

Imagine you lived in The Matrix.

Imagine that every one of those symbols you saw on the screen in "The Matrix" movies representing the Matrix was actually a point of awareness.

Imagine that all these awareness points that were forming a sea of awareness around you were not just responding to your thoughts and desires, but that you were not separate from them, and they were not separate from one another.

Viewed from this perspective, the whole becomes a sea of consciousness, which responds to the thoughts of the points of awareness within it that make it up.

The whole is a sort of quantum computer that is at once the computer and the equation being calculated, and the expression of the answer. Therefore, to focus one's mind on something is to cause it to begin being calculated and solved. The equation of which, once calculated and solved, leads to the solution to that equation, which is then expressed within the whole of the quantum computer as a part of the quantum computer itself as the physical manifestation of the desired result originally posited by the individual.

The individual desiring the thing, and focusing on it sufficiently, causes the whole to become sufficiently aware of and focused on the equation that leads to the desired result (solution of the equation) and begin calculating (manifesting) that answer (outcome, thing or result).

Are you following?

If I'm following correctly, that means that our minds are capable of altering the physical world without using our bodies to interact with it.

If that were the case, I couldn't fathom how that is possible and maybe even disbelieve it. Nonetheless, I still plan on trying it in the future. Just because I don't understand it, does not mean it's impossible.

If you were fully following it, you would realize that it means that there is really no "physical world" at all. And science agrees: quantum physics recognizes that we exist in a sea of energy, and something even more primal than energy itself. "Matter" is nothing more than coagulated energy.

If you choose to explore manifestation using the subliminals, I suggest you try it at least three different times just to make sure that you haven't experienced a "there's no such person" result.

Passive manifestation is much less predictably effective than active, and the subliminals are passive manifestation right now.

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[gelimang]

Nice thread, enjoy this....

[GlaizenGold777]

:: Aura Explanation ::

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I've seen you use the term 'energy' numerous times. I
understand there are different types of energy. But what
I don't understand is what do they do, how can we use
them greatly in our favour , do they interact with each
other ?

With reference to "auras" and your question of how best to use them... if they do exist, and I'm fairly certain they do, putting them to use can be as simple as choosing to have a positive mindset. That should be enough to influence your auras and make you more approachable to others. That of course would permeate your actions, choices, body language and so forth, and it would be hard to pick out the effects of "auras". But basically, as far as I can tell, we have these auras (some call them "energy bodies") and we seem to charge and polarize them (or maybe some of them) according to our thoughts, beliefs, actions, reactions, emotional state and so on. The result seems to be that we have a way to sense and communicate at subconscious levels within a small area close to the body that we might not be consciously aware of, but which can influence the perceptions and responses of others, and perhaps even their thoughts. I don't know if they interact with eachother within your own aura or auras, but I am sure that it makes sense for the energy fields of two or more people to interact in some way, for some reason.

I mean if we listen to subliminals 10 hours a
day, would that deplete our energy as a whole, would
that ,let's say, reduce our physical energy and lower our
weightlifting results?

If memory serves, the formal definition of energy is the force required to accomplish work. If you have a certain amount of energy potential in a given day, based on your health, caloric intake, etc. you can use that energy in various ways. If on a normal day you expend a hypothetical 5% of your energy for the day by radiating heat, do you suppose that it's going to affect your energy reserves for weightlifting?

Now let's say that you instruct your subconscious mind to generate one or more auras that are adjusted to accomplish goals 1 through 7. If such things do exist, and your subconscious mind complies, they must either be created and maintained, or their energy must be "polarized" toward the accomplishment of the stated goals. Either way, this will require some energy; how much, I do not know. I also don't know how much it might reduce your physical energy in general, but given the nature of such "fine and light" energy, I would presume that it would not be much. More likely to make you mentally tired.

Let's say if I am lifting weights
and doing some Type C subliminal, would that mean
that the results of both 'activities' ( lifting weights -
grow taller sub for example) slow each other down +
listening to the subliminal uses energy that could be
used for weightlifting purposes ?

No. Type C subs are telling your subconscious mind to adjust your physical body in some way. Once that instruction set is understood by the subconscious, if it is accepted and acted upon, the subconscious adjusts your normal daily physiology to accomplish that goal. If that has an impact on weightlifting, it should be minimal and to the point of undetectable, because the natural physiological processes operate slowly and gradually.

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What about normal people emitting auras ? Have they
created auras somehow ? I mean they have not
instructed their SubConscious mind to create an aura for
them .

It is my understanding that we all have body heat and electromagnetic "auras" or energy fields surrounding us. If there are auras of other types of energy too, then it would make sense that "normal people" would be projecting such also. If it exists, it would be automatic and universal, likely as a function of life itself.

Right now I don't have an aura for the simple
reason that I don't use an aura subliminal but too many
women in my university (not only there, of course ) seem to be
affected by some kind of an aura of sexiness that i
could be projecting. It's strange cuz this is exactly what
I want - I want every woman to check me out and
desire me . And this is what is happening -they are
smiling in a naughty way ,touching me strangely , admiring me , even older ones
10+ do it sometimes. Do 'unsublimited' people create
auras ? What does your researches conclude ?

Again... it does not require a subliminal to have an aura. The subliminals are designed to adjust and direct the aura toward specific end goals. If you have the right qualities n other ways, you can get much the same results. Pheromones, self confidence, body language, looks, training, etc. etc.

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Auras - Projections - Belief System - Subconscious mind
Something has been bothering me lately . The power of the subconscios mind is .. limitless , almost. No doubt . But how this auras of sexiness, SM auras actually work I mean it sounds waaaaay exagarated . Yeah , your body language Mau change , your facial expressions , ur attitude and actions , bUt do auras really like exist ?

You have an aura of energy around you right now that can be seen with thermographic cameras and of course some types of thermometers. You have one that can be measured with electromagnetometers. Inceed, EEG and EKG are specialized variants of these electromagnetometers.

Why can we not have energies being projected from our bodies, minds and/or emotions that are able to affect those around us? Certainly you have noted that some people, regardless of what they look like to the naked eye, are difficult to make a good or bad photograph of, depending on whether or not they are "photogenic"? Or that certain personality types are difficult to photograph because their mood affects the image so much? If not, then as a former professional portraiture photographer, take me at my word that such things happen. "Photogenic" is not just about how symetrical a face is, or how well someone knows how to pose or move or follow directions. It also has to do with how the person interacts with the light and the recording medium, apparently in ways we do not yet have the capacity to measure or explain with "hard science".

Certainly you have noted that when you stare at someone they have a tendency to look back at you, even when there is no reason they should know you are looking at them? I have seen that a thousand times if I have seen it once while I am driving.

Certainly you have noticed that you have occasionally felt comfortable or uncomfortable with someone without ever speaking a word or knowing them previously?

These and other things have led me to the conclusion that it is plausible to conclude that there are energies which the human body emanates which are currently undetected by science, but that still exist and affect those around us.

Consider that the science now exists to read minds by observing brain activity patters and blood flow in the brain, and match those data to a database of previous scans which are recorded with known visual, audial or thought stimuli. Does it not make sense that if your brain is electromagnetic, that it is projecting your brain activity outside itself in some way? Indeed, again, EEGs crudely measure this from outside the body.

Is it not then possible that we have, at some subconscious level, developed the ability to sense these emanations and respond to them, even if subconsciously? It would seem to be a very plausible possibility considering the concept that it might help a creature survive when it might not otherwise.

As to definitively whether or not auras exist, I cannot give you hard scientific proof beyond what hard science can currently detect. But I can say that I have seen enough situations to believe it is plausible that auras of energy, whether physical, mental, emotional, or some other form (heat, electromagnetic, etc.) do exist, and that not all of them are currently detectable by current scientific sensory equipment.

Is really the SubC mind so powerful that the thoughts we send out create impulses which can be read by others ?

Are you familiar with the quantum physics concept that everything is part of a unified field of something that pre-exists even energy? The "zero point field"? If this is the case, then it would seem that everything is connected in some way, at a deeply fundamental level. Why then would it be so difficult to believe that our minds, bodies and/or emotions could express something that is detected and responded to by others? If quantum entanglement means that two atoms can become one atom that coexists in two places simultaneously, then why can't it be feasible that one person might be sharing atoms, or even molecules with someone else through entanglement? And, given how little we know about entanglement, is it perhaps possible that this could allow one person to influence, or be influenced by, another?

The model I work with based on my research and experimental observations is that there are several layers of consciousness, each being less focused as an individuality than the next. The so-called "conscious" mind is the most individually focused; then the subconscious mind, which appears to have access to sources of information other than the individual itself would have; then the "superconscious" mind, which appears to be sort of a collective awareness, and finally the universal mind, which would potentially correlate with the zero point field.

If this model is accurate, then all awareness is unified, but different levels of it's expression are more or less focused into individuality. It then becomes not just reasonable, but must be the case, that we are all aware of what all of the rest of us are thinking at some level below (or perhaps above) the normal level of consciousness.

The biggest issue people typically have with this concept when they are first presented with it is that they are so stuck in the rut of their concept that their conscious mind is all that exists of their awareness, that they cannot conceive of having any subconscious awareness or any awareness other than that which they experience as their "conscious mind". This often leads people to reject such possibilities.

Do the beliefs we hold which are in store for us REALLY attract those beliefs to us ( all these Attract your perfect _____ programs ) . Hm. what is the deal with these auras ?
leepy:

Have you noticed that "birds of a feather flock together"? The concept of "like attracts like". When you are, for instance, a Harvard graduate, you will naturally tend to surround yourself with persons who have a similar background. These of course are the people with whom you share understanding and rapport. And the same goes for, say, people who share any other particular type of interest, experience, etc. Consider Alcoholics Anonymous. Consider the feminist movement. Consider how high schoolers tend to prefer the company of other high schoolers to middle schoolers, or how high school seniors prefer the company of other seniors to the lower classes.

All of these are examples of "like attracts like". Now consider that "like" frequently starts in the mind, with one's belief system. If one believes one is of a certain level of worth, one will tend to validate that belief by seeking out others of that same level of belief, or those who, while of a different level of self worth belief, can in some way still validate their own belief of their level of self worth. This is largely why recreational drug users hate using drugs alone, or will even go out of their way to pay for the drugs someone else is using so they can have everyone present also using with them.

Now this may be done consciously, and it may be done subconsciously, and it may even be done through the various layers of awareness that our conscious mind is largely or wholly unaware of. If there is a level of awareness that connects all human awareness into one mind, why would it be so difficult to believe that two focal points of awareness (what we would call "individuals", "selves", or conscious minds) could not be brought together by that group consciousness?

Hope we can make a discussion out of this and come up with a common sense , logical answer. Hope Matteson will see this and help

Generally, I prefer that if you are going to address me by my last name, that you use the title Mr.

Hopefully, you can see that my use of subliminal scripting to manipulate auras is not just coming out of left field. This has roots in some aspects of quantum physics as well as things I have observed, and experiments I have done.

Whether or not the auras exist, or if the effects of trying to manipulate them are successful, is not something anyone can scientifically prove right now. But I have seen a lot of things that make me conclude that it is the most plausible explanation for them.

Of course it is also possible that some or all of this could be explained as subtle body language cues, pheromonal cues, or other things besides energy auras.

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The list of BASE inclusions is very exciting. The organisation/declutter/focus/productivity areas are the ones that will have the most impact on me I suspect.

I am interested in what 'Aura generation, resulting in maximum success in business and as an entrepreneur' would involve. For me, it would be useful if that includes AoS, as well as the more general charisma and authority auras.

My thinking behind this is that, as an entrepreneur, a lot will be based around my personal brand so building in the maximum appeal possible is important. Adding in a strong sex appeal would assist with getting clients, especially from the opposite sex.

The auric generation is going to be self optimizing/polymorphic. It will generate whatever auric effect would most benefit you toward achieving the goal. It will also shift in real time to self configure for the specific situation in which you find yourself. If sex appeal is it, boom, Sex appeal. If comforting is it, boom, comforting. If intimidating is it... well, you get the point.

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I am interested in what 'Aura generation, resulting in maximum success in business and as an entrepreneur' would involve. For me, it would be useful if that includes AoS, as well as the more general charisma and authority auras.

Also, how would these aura generation aspects mix with those in SM3? I'm guessing there's a limit to what you can 'generate', so would running BASE/SM after SM/BASE overwrite the previous program? The program you're currently running would dominate, but what about after, would it be some sort of mix or situation dependent or what?

These will conflict on aura generation. As they should, really. Sex magnet is trying to get you laid, and BASE is trying to get you paid. The two are often mutually exclusive. Not much I can do about that.

However, BASE will install SOP (self optimizing polymorphic) aura generation, which may be much more compatible than I think.

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Thank you for your answer. I have one more question . What would happen to BASE auras if after it I would do AM6?

Auras are dependent on dominant programming. Whatever programming is dominant will have the most impact. Whe/if you have two or more programs integrated enough to be fairly equal, they'll all be working, but you have a limit to the amount of energy you can use for auras.

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Shannon,

Will BASE "interrupt" other 6 Stage sets since it is 7 Stages ? In other words, is it too long for the refresher to work between AM6/WM/SM? You mentioned something about auras and compatibility between Money and Women and having a different focus in the subs

All of my 6 stage sets are 7 stages. The 7th Stage is always a refresher or advanced maintenance schedule that you can use as a long term "cruising" stage once you've "attained cruising altitude" with Stages 1 through 6.

If you don't want to use Stage 7, don't. If you want to use it as a refresher, that will need somewhere between 2 to 12 weeks, depending on various factors in play. Usually, 2-4 weeks is fine. It will only interrupt the six month pattern of you want it to.

The aura generation setup in BASE focuses on generating a polymorphic aura designed to shift itself to automagically match your current circumstances, and its focus is on making you as successful as possible as an entrepreneur. So if you're in a business meeting, it will shift to meet whatever it needs to be to make you as successful as possible. When you go down to have lunch afterwards, it will adjust to that situation as well with the same goal in mind, perhaps attracting people to talk to you who are valuable contacts, and so forth.

The aura it generates will de-focus the auras generated by AM and SM, and re-purpose that energy towards becoming a successful entrepreneur.

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It would be best if you could keep WM/SM auras when you want to attract women and when you need business you would have BASE aura.

Not to forget the AM auras in everyday life.

BASE is focused on getting you to become a successful entrepreneur. It doesn't give a flying rat's patoot about anything else. The aura it generates will polymorphically shift itself to whatever it needs to be for you to best achieve that goal. But the goal cannot be "becoming a successful entrepreneur, except when I wan to be a sex magnet, alpha male or some other thing focused in a different direction".

Pick your target. The run with it. Sometimes you have to put aside the pussy and focus on things that matter to get ahead in life. If that's not for you, then don't run BASE.

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The aura it generates will de-focus the auras generated by AM and SM, and re-purpose that energy towards becoming a successful entrepreneur.

Will I still be able to keep the AM/SM auras when I'm out socializing with women? I'd really like to use BASE right after SM, but it would be a shame that BASE immediately pulls apart what I've spent a year building up towards (AM&SM combined). Unless, you mean something different from "de-focus".

The AM/SM Auras will be there until they are dominated by the BASE aura. Once you stop refreshing them, and direct your subconscious mind to generate a different type of aura, the auras generated will depend on the amount of execution of the particular code in question. As you use BASE, the focus will be shifted away from the auras that AM/SM was generating because the instructions are to put that focus into a business related aura. So they should fade out within a month or two of starting BASE.

Clansy said:

It would be best if you could keep WM/SM auras when you want to attract women and when you need business you would have BASE aura.

It would be a distraction from BASE, and considering that not everyone is going to be running, or has run, AM/SM, that would not make sense to do. The goal of BASE is to become a successful entrepreneur, no matter what your gender, or age, or whatever else. Trying to preserve an aura (or maintain it) from Alpha Male or Sex Magnet For Men makes no sense. You have to go all in: do you want to become a successful entrepreneur, or not? Women and sex often become a distraction from business focus and success. Business makes you money. Achieving sex often reverses that flow. You want me to create a program that self contradicts. Sorry, mate, I can't do that.

However, whenever the BASE aura matches the AM/SM aura, that will come out, and it will be enhanced by having done those programs. For instance, if you are in a situation that requires an alpha presence, having done AM/AF will trigger that type of aura much more strongly and with much greater focus, through BASE's polymorphic aura than otherwise. And if you happen to be in a situation here having an aura from SM would help you become a successful entrepreneur (can't think of one, but whatever), then having run SM will make the resulting aura much stronger and more focused. But the ultimate goal of BASE is success in business, not success with women or sex.

Sebastian said:

I am curious. Let's say someone want to change the focus f.e. a year after running base for a while a bit more to women. Do the auras become reactivated just by running the (SM) refresher and then after a while running the BASE refresher again? Or is a run through the six stages required?

To the degree that the current input dominates according to repetition and impact, yes. You can reactivate them just by using the refresher, but it might require a month or more.

IronSmooth said:

Say one was to run BASE 5G, then AM6, then SM/WM. Back to back. Would BASE programming still be noticeable and/or evident? Or would a lot be overwritten.

Yes, it would be. However, it would require years to achieve a sort of overall equilibrium between all the scripts so that they all became generally present at all times, while just the one in play was "in focus". Probably 2-3 years of doing that.

Johnathan4all said:

Ok fine it diminishes SM /Am/WM's auras but will it still have all other characteristics or habits that we have built during the run? will it hamper that too? because goals are different money instead of women.

Those will remain and be strengthened that are for the achievement of the goal through self improvement. So most if not all of AM would remain, for example, while SM may fade out almost completely because AM is all about achievement through self improvement and SM is all about getting your dick wet. And as we know, business makes money, and getting to sex drains money.

Another thing I would like to know After AM I want to run, suppose, SM or WM for a while then go for BASE for 1 year. With the refresher, Can I get back WM zone back and will it interwoven if I build any success so far I have from BASE ?

You should be able to.

I was thinking instead of running SM/WM now it's better to run BASE and then AYP sub since SM/WM diminishes, if I use BASE which I have to use in the end anyway. I believe money is the biggest goal for any man compare to women's goal.In the end, we all need money !!

Then My mind says of course Shannon won't do anything that one subliminal loses all its power while listening another. May be only a little on aura part who knows.

I appreciate your answer Shannon.

There are laws of reality that Shannon cannot defy. If you turn your head left and focus on your left shoulder, you don't see your right shoulder. If you turn your head right and focus on your right shoulder, you don't see your left shoulder. When using subliminals, you must remember that what you are using will be dominating what you are not using as soon as it develops a large enough "snow pack" (see "Snowdrift Theory").

This is simply the nature of the beast. Unless they are in harmony with one another, the active one will e dominant to the one that is not being constantly activated once it achieves equal strength, as long as the repetitions continue.

athanas said:

The subs create unconscious habits in you while you're running them. And while BASE is running of course it is going to create different habits than what SM/WM did. Those SM/WM habits diminish over time as they don't get strengthened while the BASE habits continue to grow and get stronger.

But if you start SM/WM a second time after Base is done it's not like you start from scratch again. Yeah you might feel a bit "rusty" first, as you haven't used those habits for a long time so obviously you won't continue how you left the end of SM one year ago but it's going to be much faster, instead of having to completely recreate all the neural pathways SM just has to awaken the current dormant ones.

It's the same with most skills you train to an uncoscious competence level. You can get rusty but you'll never completely forget them.

But Shannon will probably clarifiy this soon better than I can.

Well said.

Dan Amerson said:

EDIT: The post below is basically asking: "Are service-based, person-based, or performance-based business covered by BASE?"

Given my specific "business desire", I might have a loophole to the entire 'Deactivate SM auras" concept.

Most businesses or websites I've started were to try to make money on the side to fund my music performances. It's really just a way to excuse myself from performing, as I'm "working on the business". Naturally, they peter out very quickly.

So I thought "Why not make myself the business, where my services in the form of live performances is the product, and planning these events is the business?"

I could come up with tons of ways to make money in this way, and ACTUALLY follow through.

The point I'm making is that when I'm performing live, I want sex appeal, joy, and a sense of mastery when I'm playing, hence playing off of SM.

When I'm booking shows, there's something else going on.

If that's not the case, that's fine, I get it; it's like working out the left arm for 6 months, and then stopping that completely and working out your right arm afterwards for 6 months. There's always the SM refresher, but I want to be able to blow off some steam if I want to, ala keep meeting great women, hanging out and hooking up. It's not like I become a nerd all over again, right? lol

The reason for the polymorphic nature of the aura that BASE generates is that it will auto-adapt itself to whatever is best for you, in your situation, at the current time, for achieving the goals of BASE. So if you need sex appeal, BAM! Sex appeal. If you need dominance, BAM! dominance. But you have to know that the program will focus you on the goals of the program, regardless of everything else.

You're not going to become a nerd all over again, but you won't be focused primarily on women unless that is your ticket to achieving the goals of BASE somehow.

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[GlaizenGold777]

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[GlaizenGold777]

:: Double Blind Experiment ::

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@ Shail

Double blind experiments are the best we can currently do. The subconscious mind will know what's going on if you only do single blind - where you attempt to deceive or confuse yourself - because it has a MUCH better memory that the conscious mind ever imagined possible. It literally NEVER forgets. Anything.

I'm still finding it difficult to understand single and double blind experiment.

In a true double blind experiment, I would not know who was getting the experimental stuff and who was getting the placebo, and the experiment subjects would not know what was placebo and what was influence-intended subliminal. We can do that by having me create three or six programs, and have two of them be representing each of three types of option: the genuine article being tested; a subliminal giving neutral statements that should not have any effect on behavior at all; and a program that represents subliminal audio without a script, which also should not have any effect at all.

Then you download the programs, choose one, and use it, for 3 months, without telling me which one you're using or what the effects you're getting are. You keep a journal, and record the effects you believe are attributable to the subliminal, and which are not.

This way, you cannot know which one is a placebo, and your subconscious knowledge cannot skew the results; and I cannot subconsciously give you any clues to which one is supposed to do what, because I don't know which one you're using, and we don't talk about it until you're done with the experiment.

This would allow you a double blind experiment. I would know what was what, but you wouldn't. You could not possibly have subconscious knowledge of which was what. By using something like this, you would be forced to respond according to what actually was there, and it would reveal any placebo effect or resistance present.

In this kind of experiment as i have understood so far there will be 2 possibilities one with a program (subs) and the other without it (let's say blank). I'm willing to understand the mechanism of double blind experiment. How could this reveal placebo effect or resistance. Particularly the blank one as the other will easily reveal resistance/result which depends on the experience or effect of the subs leaving on me and if does nothing then that would easily reveal resistance if any.

There are usually three possibilities in a double blind experiment: actual subject being tested, a "placebo" and nothing. Or, rather, three groups, one testing the actual product, one testing a placebo that that could be the product, and one gets nothing at all.

The way we have to do this, with only you testing, and because it is possible to detect silence (nothing) easily) is to adjust things a bit, as specified above.

In a real scientific trial, as many test subjects as possible are put in each group, and all get the same thing. This gives the researchers as much data as possible, and reveals personal variances. We only have you for this, however. So whatever you experience is going to reveal either a placebo (if you get a result other than you should have according to what was actually tested) or resistance (if you do not get the result you should have while testing the actual program). The other option is that you pick the actual subliminal and it works because you didn't consciously resist it out of not knowing what you were using.

If you use, say, the program representative of "nothing", which might be the subliminal sound of white noise, for instance, and you start getting self confidence results from it, we know that's the placebo effect because white noise would not have done that if you were consciously listening, and there's no reason for it to make you more self confident.

If you listen to the "neural" sub, let's say it has the statement "There is a moon orbiting the earth", and you start getting self confidence results, again, we know this statement should have no such effect, so it would be placebo effect.

And if you use the self confidence sub, and you don't get any result, then we know that one of the following things is true:

1. The program doesn't actually work;
2. You are resisting it subconsciously;
3. There is something wrong with how it was made.

Now, in this case, we cannot answer the question of what's going on, because we only have one test subject. In a standard study, we might have 100 or 1,000 people in each group, and if say 98% of them got the intended result from the actual product and 2% did not, we would know that that 2% was in the vast minority and that the program works, but they were probably resisting it.

I know the program is made properly, and I know it works, because I have done these experiments before, privately. I have done many blind and double blind experiments in the past that prove beyond the shadow of a doubt in my mind that subliminals do work. So while it would not be valid for scientific scrutiny unless we did a formal study, I will know that if you happen to use the actual sub, and don't get the intended results, you are expressing subconscious resistance.

This would be something I would be building as a sort of "experimentation kit" for general use, although it would have a limited value and would have to be replaced every so often, as people started reporting results and thus influenced the results of others. I would not charge for it.

Thanks, I would love to a part of this experimentation. When shall I expect it to be ready? I know you are quite busy already with lot of work but i think sooner the better..

I am actually swamped beyond belief at the moment with my current experiments, but I should be able to create something without too much difficulty for you. I'll see about getting on that today if possible. I think for the time being, however, that you alone should be the one to get a copy, or else we might have people posting things that could possibly influence what you think you're using, and skew the experiment.

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OK, if I'm not wrong in understanding what you have posted it would be the following

1. That we are going to perform a double blind experiment with neither you nor me not knowing anything about which program I will be using for 3 months.

Almost. For a true double blind we need a lot more than one person to do the experiment with. We're going to get as close as possible.

2. That I will not be reporting any effects whatsoever I would be experiencing.

3. That I maintain a journal, and record the effects I believe are attributable/not attributable to the subliminal.
I have a question here, if i keep journal, i guess i would be keeping it in the forum (if I'm not wrong), will that not report to you what I'm experiencing.

You must keep a journal yourself. Posting it in the forum would allow access to me and everyone else, thus defeating the "blind" part. I cannot know what results you see during the three months of the experiment. Nobody else can, either. Otherwise they might influence you. You have to keep a journal in a notebook, or on your computer, and keep it private until the end of the experiment, where we exchange information. You tell me what you used and what you believe you observed as a result, and I tell you what you were actually using.

I'm happy that by your constant pursuance of experimenting with things you are going to be successful in creating something remarkable and outstanding ! We wish you achieve it sooner so that everyone will be benefited. I was thinking, you are using Manifest Wealth (if I'm not wrong) since a long time and you desire to be a multimillionaire, is this something which is going to lead you towards your goal, may be.

I am actually using Sex Magnet 2.0 right now. Not what I really want to be using, but I have to have the firsthand knowledge of it's effects. In about 15 days, I will decide whether I'm starting Alpha Male 5.0, or whether I'm going to do a month of the de-clutter your home experimental program I created to test 5G. Wealth programming will commence again next year some time. I'll get there eventually.

Thanks for working on my experiment in spite of your busy schedule, to make it clear what would be the title (theme, subject...I'm not getting a proper word to describe it) of the experiment, i mean the actual subliminal. Is it Self-confidence, if it is, I think instead of going for something abstract like this can we concentrate on 2-3 issues of mine which may not take long time in manifesting results, something tangible?
May be type A subliminals like Exercise motivation (this is one of the issue) or may be the other 2 or 3 issues of mine. if you agree I can post my issues and then you pick one for making programs?

I don't think you're getting it. You can have NO knowledge of what the subliminal is intended to do. So by me using the example of self confidence... I can't use that one. and I can't use any of your specific issues. I will select an idea that I believe will be effective for the experiment, and then use that, but you can have no hint, clue or knowledge as to what it actually is. That would defeat the experiment by introducing experimenter's bias.

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[ruben]

Nice job man ! This thread will help people for sure...

[GlaizenGold777]

:: Tobacco Research ::

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I'm doing research on tobacco, and it's effects, and I come across this quote on the front page of abovetheinfluence.com:

Tobacco is a carrier for the highly addictive drug nicotine. Once your body gets a taste for nicotine, it can quickly become a life-long addiction, with extremely fatal consequences.

Of course this had me laughing. Extremely fatal? As opposed to what, semi-fatal? Slightly fatal? Moderately fatal? Fatal is fatal, my friend. It's all or nothing. Fatal is dead. There's not degrees of fatality... it's dead or not dead. You could say nearly fatal... absolutely fatal... clearly fatal... but extremely fatal? Is it going to kill me harder than most other things? Am I going to die deader or something?

I'm on the side of the stop smoking advocates, but the stop smoking campaigns really need to get a clue in a lot of directions. Here's an example, from a little further down on the same page:

Whether smoked or chewed, nicotine is one of the most highly addictive drugs used in today's society. And once you're hooked, it's extremely hard to overcome this addiction.

In other words, they're trying to prevent you from starting in the first place by telling you how hard it is to quit. What they (and millions of other web pages and people like them) fail to recognize is this: by repeating endlessly and ad nauseum how "hard it is to quit", they're programming people to have a harder time quitting than would be the case just from the effects of the addiction itself.

To wit, subliminals work by repetition. Enough repetition of a statement, whether delivered consciously or subconsciously, will be accepted and considered as fact, regardless of it's actual current level of veracity. We have known this for a long time. Joseph Goebbels, Nazi minister of propaganda, is quoted as having said:

If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.

In essence, what he is saying here is that if you repeat something enough, and it seems too outlandish to be a lie told so boldly and frequently, it will be accepted as the truth and acted upon as such. It in effect, becomes the truth for those who believe it, because as we know, what you believe becomes your reality, inwardly and outwardly.

The problem here is not the question of whether or not nicotine is addictive, but that by constantly bombarding everyone with the idea that it is hard to quit smoking, it becomes hard to quit smoking. In essence, we are allowing the individual to set for him or herself the definition of "hard to quit smoking" based on a nasty tangle of negatively spiralling logical fallacies and misunderstandings. It works like this.

You hear, a million times, "It's hard to quit smoking." Repetition suggests that it must be true. You also hear it from every authority you can find. Their authority lends further credence. Then you see that people "have a hard time quitting", and if you are a smoker, you may also "have a hard time quitting".

This seems like a pretty open and shut case, right? It's hard to quit smoking.

But look again at what actually happened. You were told what to think. You accepted it as true, and then you accepted it as being more true based on various other things. For you, this truth now exists as such, and YOU set the definition of how hard it is to quit based on both your personal assessment of the definition of and relativity of "hard", and based on observing others.

If all of those you observe have also been infected with the pre-ordained belief that it is "hard to quit", they will experience unnecessarily high levels of difficulty because they expected to; quitting becomes less likely; and when they do fail (because they believe it's so hard to quit, and that failure is to be expected), it only strengthens that belief and makes quitting even harder!

Then they act as a guide for what you believe. It becomes a spiral, based on faulty thinking.

Now don't get me wrong. I am not saying that a nicotine addiction is a joke, or to be taken lightly. I am saying that we make it much, much harder to deal with than it has to be, and actually is, by this constant insistence that it is so difficult to deal with, to overcome, and to quit. The effect is that what effects it actually does have are magnified greatly, and this is misinterpreted as being evidence that "it's hard to quit smoking!"

There is a saying that "What you believe, you can achieve." The truth is, what you genuinely (i. e. subconsciously) believe, you automatically create as your reality. So we now have an entire system that has fallen into the trap of insisting on the past (a logical fallacy) and failing to understand that we, our actions and our experiences, are the result of our beliefs.

As I state in the advertisement for the 5G stop smoking program:

Smoking cessation doesn't have to be difficult. All you need to do is use the right tool for the job. After all, you wouldn't try to cut a loaf of bread with a hammer, would you? Of course not. And you wouldn't use a wrench, or a screwdriver or a bubble level or a T-square to do it either. You'd use a knife - and a sharp one, at that. But if you did try to use those other tools, and didn't realize that they were not the right tools for the job - would you conclude that it's difficult to cut bread? Probably. And that's the same thing that's happening here. It's not hard to quit, unless you use the wrong method. (Or, for that one rare personality type, you choose to fight the program with everything you've got!)

The fact is, logically, if my subliminal program can work and cause people to quit smoking without effort - and it can, does, and has multiple times in the past - then the base line difficulty for quitting smoking is actually very low. It is everything else we pile on top of it that makes it seem difficult, because we insist it must be.

We cite studies (often labeled as "scientific" to give them credence, regardless of how well they were actually done) which shows X or Y or Z. But what we as a herd mentality society don't take into consideration, in our knee jerk herd-think response, are the following facts:

1. We don't know how well the study was done.
   
2. We haven't actually read the study itself in most cases - we are just getting manipulated repetition from "the media", which is interested in sensationalism, not facts. This is the equivalent of hearsay.
   
3. We have usually not heard or seen any contradictory evidence or studies, and we have not seen those studies, criticisms or peer reviews with our own eyes.
   
4. We automatically assume that because it's on TV, the radio, the Internet, etc. and it was called a "scientific" study" that it must be true.
   
5. The researchers themselves may in fact be operating under similar logical assumptions, or even a desire to produce skewed results so as to preserve a deeply held belief, or maintain employment, or make money from an agreement with their employers - who may, in fact, be the very companies who are profiting from this stuff.
   

Who do you think benefits when you believe that "it's hard to quit smoking."? Let's trace the steps, shall we? If you believe it's hard to quit, then you will be much more likely to fail when you try. And when you fail, you will keep being addicted to nicotine. Which means you would need some source of it on a regular basis... and you would have to buy that source... and there are only two sources. The drug companies, and the tobacco companies. Who are often employing the same people.

Follow the money.

Others also benefit. Every time you buy some form of nicotine replacement "therapy" or a cigarette, the store selling it gets a kickback, known as a "profit". The people transporting and delivering that "product" also get a kickback, which is also known as a "profit". So do the distributors.

Lots of people benefit when you believe it's hard to quit. And they all want to continue benefiting. If you quit, will that happen? No. So why would they want you to quit?

They don't.

So you find a lot of misinformation about quitting, stop smoking methods, etc. designed to obfuscate the truth. The truth is, there are ways to quit that make it very easy. Absolutely effortless, in fact. At least two that I know of, including my program, and possibly a third. But these methods are either ignored or attacked and ridiculed by some members of the "scientific community" and the advertisers in general, because they lead to quitting... and a loss of profits.

What are those methods? Well I'll tell you about two of them, because I haven't researched the third enough to really know for sure that it's valid. But the other two are:

• Properly done multi-session hypnosis, either self hypnosis, or under the guidance of a skilled, experienced hypnotist whom you trust enough to fully cooperate with.
  
• Properly made and used subliminals designed to deal with all necessary aspects of the process.
  

Here's the key. Both of these methods are very closely related. They both rely on nothing but your own mind's power to work. And they both require you to cooperate for them to work. They're not a drug. They're not a pill, or a patch, or a gum. When they work as intended, you never have to buy anything else again, ever. They do what they're supposed to do, and they stop the cash flow. Permanently.

And they always work, if you cooperate fully.

The peak of hypnosis usage in theraputic formats was in the 1950's and early 1960's. Then we started having it fall out of favor, despite more than 60 years of excellent results. Why? I believe it was because of two things. First, the doctors no longer had a monopoly on the ability to heal and cure people. While hypnotists don't heal and cure, it will seem like it to the person who doesn't realize that hypnosis is something that they must cooperate with, and thus, in effect, they are being guided to do to and for themselves. In other words, we have the power to heal and cure ourselves of a lot of things that doctors were trying to heal and cure previously, and they didn't like the competition. Less money, you see. Health care is one of the biggest of the big businesses there is, at least in the United States.

The second reason? Very similar. The drug companies stood to loose millions, even billions as time went on, and trillions over decades. Why? Because pain can be dealt with quite well using hypnosis, as has been proven through the conduction of many entire surgeries of all levels of painfulness and majority, using only hypnosis. Because many other things they were making money on, as well, were also threatened by hypnosis. There are many things that hypnosis can do (as proven in at least the 40's, 50's and 60's) that "modern" society would laugh at in disbelief, because we have been told to believe hypnosis is a lot less effective than it actually is, so that we will not cooperate fully, and then of course it won't work.

Modern medicine in the West consists largely of surgery and pills, supplemented heavily with lots of expensive tests to mitigate insurance costs because of our litigious society. The drug companies in the United States make absurd amounts of money, and they charge the highest prices of any drug companies in the world. The multi-national drug companies only charge these ridiculous prices in the United States, and only because they can. Why do we pay 2 and 3 times (and sometimes much more) more than other countries pay for the same drugs? If you believe the drug company propaganda, it's because only in the United States do we have the intelligence, skill, knowledge and technology to make drugs safely. If you have a little common sense, the truth becomes apparent: because they can, and they are (to put it bluntly) greedy large corporations who consist of a bunch of people who all choose to believe they are not personally responsible because it's "the company" doing it, not them.

So... back to the only two ways to quit that I know of that actually rely on it being as easy as it can be, so you'll succeed, instead of trying to make it harder so you will fail... consider this interesting fact. Ultimately, both hypnosis and subliminals are doing nothing morethan making it easy for you to change your mind. That's it. That's all they do.

And if people can, have and do quit smoking when they use these methods and cooperate fully, and it is effortless for them, what does that tell you about how hard it really is to quit smoking?

The truth is, it is as hard to quit smoking as we make it by our beliefs. If you want, need, expect or believe it will be hard, is hard, must be hard... guess what? Argue for your limitations, and they are yours. You win, it's hard.

And if you understand all of what I have just told you... you will come to realize that the fact remains that what we believe becomes our reality. And it has been shown that the base line for quitting is set to easy, because others have done it that way. So why do we continue to insist that it is, and must be, so difficult?

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[LifeLabs]

Shannon, where can we discuss this futher, if we may?
Does it have to do with religion?

"what we are almost certainly dealing with is very early, very deep fear-based programming that tells him something terrible is going to happen if he complies with these suggestions. I would put money on it being some variant of being told he was going to be punished horribly if he did things like that, and there's very few sources for such threats to come from. But the way his resistance has manifested itself tells me that is the most likely scenario. If he really does subconsciously feel like suicide is preferable to doing what SM 2.0 is telling him to do, then it's a threat that was made to him at some early age which would cause him to fear whatever it is even more than death itself. I can think of exactly one thing that I have seen cause reactions like that, but Rule #4 prevents me from discussing that further."



Also, some more good stuff for this thread:

http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-3446-post-50195.html

[Shannon]

That's part of what Rule 4 is all about. Religion.

[LifeLabs]

That's part of what Rule 4 is all about. Religion.

So we should move this to the New religion thread, then.

http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-2299.html


Would you mention what the "one thing that I have seen cause reactions like that" is?
I'm incredibly curious now.

[Life]

This thread got bumped haha