DMSI 3.3.2, OED, X124, PSEv3, etc.

[rono]

Hi All, (here's the beginning of my 'journal' it should be considered NSFW imo)

Been using IML products for a couple months now and thought I might document some initial status info as I begin an 'experimental journey'.
About myself:
- Male early 60s, married 1x for ~40 years, monogamous and happy about it
- Great deal of growth as a Man and as an Alpha over the last 10-15 years
- Marriage and sex improved drastically as I began that 'Alpha' journey and continue it
- Wife is same age also 1x married and monogamous, not the jealous type and not terribly experimental behind closed doors but open and even excited to grow in that area
- Sex is 3+ times per week could be more if time allowed (was not this way before my Alpha journey)
- did therapy in my 40s worked through a lot if not most of childhood issues, have used binaural beat BWE from various sources over the years to enhance or create a meditation practice.
- have been practicing Wim Hof method for a year or so and have found the breathing has really enhanced my life
- I work out regularly, lifting weights and look pretty good for a Man my age (both imo and in that of others based on unsolicited comments and reactions)
- passably good as a hypnotist, though it takes a good deal of effort and concentration and time which is why I was attracted to subliminals.
- I have used other subliminals from other vendors as I began my sub exploration.

My intro to IML, as it was for many I'm sure, was the Absolute Self Confidence and Stress Relief. I found these intriguing because ASC worked for me quite well, enhancing my already quite decent SC that only sagged occasionally under low-energy situations. I decided to explore with the 'fun side' of IML products, which for me were the 'aphrodisiacs'. I started with PSEv3 the silent one.

PSEv3-- like using this on 'date night' during the day playing in the background for my wife and I -- seems to smooth over the rough spots and get us in the mood and it's less distracting than mood music. It seems after using this episodically for weeks now that she is ALWAYS in a better mood with this playing in the background. More fun, laughs and smiles more easily, etc. All this does lend to a more romantic mood, but doesn't seem to do more than that for us.

X124 -- bought this one thinking it was the most powerful (had not run across X24 or X32) and that it would be the answer to my aural aphrodisiac search. It indeed does create a very romantic environment and also tends to make the wife very open and compliant, but it has not lead her to start anything herself even given the right environment. It does, however, make her even more responsive than usual, it seems, than when it isn't being used. She gets very chatty and smiles a lot, but nothing happens till I pull the trigger. She has almost never initiated (even in those subtle female ways) so she is unusually reserved in general at the outset, though does become quite responsive after I've lead the way for a while.

OED -- as many men my age we have the occasional 'failure to launch' at key moments. In order to cope with this I've become gradually more reliant on herbs and Rx, just to make sure all goes well at the key moment. This works 98% of the time. I do long for the days when I didn't have to prepare so much. The burden of prep seems to have reduced my libido a little, which I don't like. SO.... I wanted to try this. I ran it for a week or 10 days and started to see very gradual improvement, that was hard to gauge. But I was looking for something that would get me more bang for my hour of listening prior to an upcoming vacation at a remote romantic tropical hideaway. btw: There seems to be something in this sub that creates an avoidance of sexually stimulating images and literature (racy photos, literotica, soft-core and porn), so it felt a little like my libido diminished, but this may simply be a breakthrough period. This feature is welcome even though this was not a big issue for me.

DMSI 3.3.2 -- talking to Ben I was challenged to look at this experimental sub. The more I read the more intrigued I became. I decided that a great aphrodisiac for me would be if she began initiating more often and I just naturally inspired her female sexuality, which is what this seems to purport to do (though in a far more general way than simply the wife). If I feel sexier and she acts more turned-on by me, that would meet my parameters of 'aphrodisiac' in spades.

I stopped OED two days ago and started using DMSI yesterday and ran the 4 loops. I was unusually energized. I liked the effect so I decided to run it in the background on my wife's computer as I have done with other subliminals to see if she liked it. Last night after the first day of listening, we had an exceptionally good time sexually. She was more expressive than usual, arousal was sustained at a higher level for longer and she seemed genuinely overtly interested in my pleasure. All very nice and positive results so far-- and that is only after one day of listening. Since we both work from home we have not yet seen if there will be any effect on others besides she and I. We have a decades-long habit of being sexually focused on one another since we get so much satisfying if not excellent sex from each other. If this first night is an indication of more fun yet to come, it could be just what I was looking for to create a state of heightened sexual awareness of each other when we are on our tropical getaway.

btw: I keep checking in with the wife to see if she's feeling good, happy, energized, etc. to make sure there's no abreaction to the DMSI. I hesitated to run it for her, because it isn't exactly what the instructions say, but I thought that perhaps she would gain more sexual confidence and feel more sexually outgoing (at least with me) anyway. I'll keep everyone posted as to how this turns out as well. We are very much 'in love' with each other and share many things in life, neither of us tend toward jealousy and neither are looking for other options outside of marriage, but I'll watch for danger signals.

After the tropical getaway I will be either re-starting the OED or will get and run the Testosterone Maximizer since that is an issue and I'm having to change hormone doctors anyway... At least that is the plan now, the way this DMSI is reacting with me so far, it may naturally boost my body chemicals and hormones. We'll see.

Let me know if there is interest in my outcomes and I'll be sure to post more.

[Shannon]

I warn people who are involved not to use DMSI in it's current form, and especially not to expose their significant others, because of not just what it is designed to do, but how it is designed to do that. The only way for this program to be truly safe for couples to use is if you resist it, or you don't use it. If you execute this program completely, both of you will end up having not just seriously interested others - multiple others each - show up, but they will be interested in ways that are not safe for committed relationships. Unless maybe you are a hell of a swinger.

So... by the time you see "danger signs", it may in some ways already be too late. That is why I warn against that.

I also warn against it because people get used to seeing version after version come out and it does not accomplish XYZ goal. They assume it never will, or never can, or that enough exposure will not change that.

If you're going to run it, I strongly recommend you run it, without exposing her.

[rono]

I warn people who are involved not to use DMSI in it's current form, and especially not to expose their significant others, because of not just what it is designed to do, but how it is designed to do that.  The only way for this program to be truly safe for couples to use is if you resist it, or you don't use it.  If you execute this program completely, both of you will end up having not just seriously interested others - multiple others each - show up, but they will be interested in ways that are not safe for committed relationships.  Unless maybe you are a hell of a swinger.

So... by the time you see "danger signs", it may in some ways already be too late.  That is why I warn against that.

I also warn against it because people get used to seeing version after version come out and it does not accomplish XYZ goal.  They assume it never will, or never can, or that enough exposure will not change that.

If you're going to run it, I strongly recommend you run it, without exposing her.

Hey Shannon,

Thanks for the response! 
I noticed all your warnings and studied the info you put in the description as far as the goals and so on. The goals did not seem completely out of line with just in general becoming more sexually attractive (thus the name DMSI). The way I see it, that new attractiveness would naturally present more opportunities for someone with a wandering eye. I also read extensively the forums of people with experience primarily with 3.3.2 (and also some of the earlier versions) and I noted that guys were not finding the 'sniping' and the 'autopilot' (which I assume intends to turn you into a pickup machine) were not working the way the goals lay out. The effects even after multiple listening cycles was showing up more mild than the promise of your descriptions I actually liked the sound of the effects that were experienced by those reporting (at least those that I could find). It was the forums (which I examined after Ben's suggestion) that made it sound like it would be a good sexual confidence booster (FRM), as well as to increase positive attention from females that I encounter, being more noticeable in a positive manner, etc. Plus, while my wife likes me a lot, I often think it would be handy for her to initiate sexual contact (which she almost never does) so if I increase my attraction in general, it would like work specifically on her. 
The reason I thought 'exposing' her to it would be valuable was also based on the report(s) of women in the forums, that their confidence was increased and got them a little more attention from men. Both of these effects would benefit my wife. Since neither of us have a wandering eye nor have 'swinging' fantasies  I doubt we would end up swingers  unless there is something in the scripting I should know about that suggests ignoring morality, or changing your personal values. The latter does not sound like you (from what I've read), so I am wondering what it is you are so concerned about if I l allow her to listen to the subs.

For now, I'm continuing my experiment, I've been fairly warned by you-- the one thing missing about the warning is something concrete I should be worried about, e.g. "the sub is intended to change your/your wife's mind about being faithful to you" or "the sub encourages you/her to have sex with everyone you come in contact with and you won't feel any hesitation or regret" I'm open to being convinced by you (or by results I see in the forum)

Also, regarding my experiment I do have some interesting results to post. If you'd like me to not post them or post them privately to you, let me know.

Thanks for the interesting products!

[Have at ye]

Well, once DMSI gets going for real, the effects are waaaay more blatant and obvious than simply an increase in attention and such.

You guys sound like a healthy couple, so you may attempt to resist full execution out of loyalty to one another, but - on the other hand - because you sound like a healthy couple, you may have relatively few reasons to resist execution apart from that - so sooner or later the program *might* (and I'm going out on a limb here and say *will*) override that.

Whilst it does not have anything in particular in it to "change your morality" as far as I am aware, it's primary goal is to have people you are attracted to act on the attraction directly by initiating physical, in-person sex, and there are no limitations as to whom it affects (it's based on a set of subconscious criteria). And since it's also a work-in-progress on getting rid of resistance to subliminal programs, it's designed to get the user to execute it fully, and thus would require the user to actually become *open and willing* to achieve the above effect, as far as I can tell.

Just keep this caveat in mind.

[Shannon]

The product description isn't a promise of what it will do when it is an experimental product, it's a description of the product's design goal. Experimental usually means we know we aren't there yet and we are working towards achieving that goal.

The reason I keep warning people about this is because sooner or later I will release something that does what it's supposed to do well enough that exposing your wife, even your long term relationship wife you think you know, destroys the relationship. People aren't as simple as you may think. She has parts and pieces that would betray you if properly stimulated, and it is the same for you to her. I can't know for sure that this program will not, in its efforts to accomplish its goals, do that. That is my concern. I don't want that to happen, even once. That is part of why progress on this program is so slow - I have to creep up to the razor's edge of balance and then land right on it perfectly to make this program work, while being safe. That's not such an easy thing to do. So I take small steps in some cases, because overshooting the mark, even once, can't be undone. It is not wise to expose any woman to this with whom you wish to keep your relationship intact. You've been warned, and that is that.

If you have anything interesting to report, but you don't think it is appropriate for the forum, you can e-mail them to us on the back end, and Ben will make sure I get them. I can always use more feedback.

[rono]

Hi All, (warning: I am not following the strict instructions given by Shannon at this stage, so do not follow my example. I'm including my posts to explore the breadth of what the effects of the sub may be under a variety of circumstances. Read my first post in this thread to understand my situation and goals.)

If you're interested in my experiment with DMSI 3.3.2 here's the latest:

Day 2: 
She started the morning by giving me my first morning bj ever*. Was a busy Saturday, but was easily able to listen to 4 or 5 loops (lost count and listened to an extra one to be sure). Using the silent mp3 version mostly. I was energized but felt a little distracted. The distraction was that I spent a lot of time thinking about the sub and using it which lead to more readings of the forums and instructions, etc. I am running it in the background of my wife's computer as well and I keep checking in with her to make sure she's feeling ok, no headache, stomach or other symptoms. She just feels a little more up than usual (as do I) in spite of the general fatigue we have). Good day, no friction, more smiles and pats on the butt and playful banter than usual.

Day3:
Had trouble listening today, but managed to get 4 loops in though not back-to-back. Some of them (against the rules, I know) were while my wife and I were driving in the car together (covered a lot of miles in traffic yesterday). That was the only way I would get the requisite number of loops in. 
We had a busy day, spent a lot of time together and around a lot of people. There seemed to be an increased warmth between us she would be more responsive and attentive to my touch or when I spoke to her. I felt less 'taken for granted'. It is worthy of note that while I was around many women, I got no particular attention from them, though I was more aware of them than usual, and I think I observed more smiles and eye contact. After being out and about for 12 hours, we stopped to buy gas. While at the gas station I went around to the passenger side to chat with her. I often will move her skirt up a little to make her show some leg. She actually parted her legs a bit more and pulled the skirt high enough to display her panties... this is more overt than she has ever been before in this type of daily situation. So good sign in my view. There was also a look in her eye and an electrical feeling between us even though we were both exhausted.

We returned home exhausted and she got into a sexy loose v neck baggy sweater like thing. While preparing a supper/snack she displayed herself spontaneously in a flirty fun way--which I of course encouraged. Free of any chemical stimulation (something I had relied on for some time) I got aroused and I warned her she was 'putting herself in danger'-- she bent over and said come-and-get-it. First time I'd been up for spontaneous sex in many months and a first time for her to initiate like that in years. So, whether my intent is affecting the way our subconsciousnesses are processing the sub or if this is just the effects in the early stages, I still like it very much. 

Day 4:
She gave me another morning bj*. We're talking before 6am here. I'm very thankful. Something I'd been wanting for decades, now two times in 3 days.  I went to the gym. NO looks at all. Well, one gal did seem to 'feel me coming' and looked out of the corner of her eye. That was it. The day isn't over yet, but she has already told me she wants some sex soon. Increased number of butt pats, bigger smiles, more eye contact. She even dressed kinda cute to go to the office today. Often she'll pick clothes I don't care about when she goes to the office. Maybe she is subtly working at being more attractive in public in general--could be effects from the sub. I'm very happy with this. I don't mind her getting a little more attention. This happened once before when she lost 35 lbs and got VERY fit, well-defined shoulders & arms, etc.-- her mood and self-image was great and was a lot of fun to be around. When guys would flirt with her, she wouldn't believe it was flirtation, or she'd blow them off without even realizing it. She is interesting on this point. She appears to be flirty, but it's just her bubbly personality. She is shocked and sometimes even dismayed when men pay attention to her in that way. I've been encouraging her over the years to accept and enjoy the attention. 

So the experiment is going well for me so far. I will be getting a massage today from my usual place, it will be interesting if they respond differently to me than usual. I do have a baseline experience, so it has potential to be interesting.

Later this week I'll go and get a hair cut too, so it will be interesting to see if there are any differences. I have a baseline there as well.

* (note: I had played a pro oral subliminal from another vendor over the last few weeks, but had not seen any change so stopped using it. Also, she has known for decades this is a fantasy of mine. It was always too uncomfortable, or she doesn't feel inspired in the morning, etc. she's not squeamish about oral, in general, but it's always been a quick part of foreplay.)

[rono]

Well, once DMSI gets going for real, the effects are waaaay more blatant and obvious than simply an increase in attention and such.

You guys sound like a healthy couple, so you may attempt to resist full execution out of loyalty to one another, but - on the other hand - because you sound like a healthy couple, you may have relatively few reasons to resist execution apart from that - so sooner or later the program *might* (and I'm going out on a limb here and say *will*) override that.

Whilst it does not have anything in particular in it to "change your morality" as far as I am aware, it's primary goal is to have people you are attracted to act on the attraction directly by initiating physical, in-person sex, and there are no limitations as to whom it affects (it's based on a set of subconscious criteria). And since it's also a work-in-progress on getting rid of resistance to subliminal programs, it's designed to get the user to execute it fully, and thus would require the user to actually become *open and willing* to achieve the above effect, as far as I can tell.

Just keep this caveat in mind.

Thanks for the response Have at ye...

I have not read anyone in the forums sharing the kind of outcomes you describe. If you have had some, or can point me to them, I am very interested in the nature of the changes it introduces to your mentality and behavior, as well as how you feel. 

Thanks for enhancing the warning. I am being very vigilant and will watch for hints at danger signs. I know her quite well so I'd be VERY surprised if she were to suddenly start going out on me or to respond to male attention in any overt way. Still, I'm keeping watch....

[Have at ye]

Well, once DMSI gets going for real, the effects are waaaay more blatant and obvious than simply an increase in attention and such.

You guys sound like a healthy couple, so you may attempt to resist full execution out of loyalty to one another, but - on the other hand - because you sound like a healthy couple, you may have relatively few reasons to resist execution apart from that - so sooner or later the program *might* (and I'm going out on a limb here and say *will*) override that.

Whilst it does not have anything in particular in it to "change your morality" as far as I am aware, it's primary goal is to have people you are attracted to act on the attraction directly by initiating physical, in-person sex, and there are no limitations as to whom it affects (it's based on a set of subconscious criteria). And since it's also a work-in-progress on getting rid of resistance to subliminal programs, it's designed to get the user to execute it fully, and thus would require the user to actually become *open and willing* to achieve the above effect, as far as I can tell.

Just keep this caveat in mind.

Thanks for the response Have at ye...

I have not read anyone in the forums sharing the kind of outcomes you describe. If you have had some, or can point me to them, I am very interested in the nature of the changes it introduces to your mentality and behavior, as well as how you feel. 

Thanks for enhancing the warning. I am being very vigilant and will watch for hints at danger signs. I know her quite well so I'd be VERY surprised if she were to suddenly start going out on me or to respond to male attention in any overt way. Still, I'm keeping watch....

https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Who-d...#pid231056 - here, for instance. And when I say "drag me to the bathroom" to make out, I do mean it in a very... direct way. She grabbed me by the shirt and used force.  We only stopped enjoying ourselves upon noticing there's no lock on the bathroom door (don't ask, I don't know either).

Some people have also reported even more "all the way" situations every now and again on the various versions of DMSI. You'd have to dig into the forum archives.

Glad you guys are enjoying yourselves, though.  BTW., should you be interested, I believe the new Life Tune Up 5.5g  has an "improved love-life" module among all its other modules, so that could be an option to use in a committed relationship as well, I believe.

[Shannon]

That is definitely an interesting report. Perhaps I will have to build the couples version of this program sooner than later. I had been planning to do so only after I finished build DMSI 3.4 standard version.

[rono]

The product description isn't a promise of what it will do when it is an experimental product, it's a description of the product's design goal.  Experimental usually means we know we aren't there yet and we are working towards achieving that goal.

I understand the difference between design goals and actual outcomes. This is actually one of the reasons I was intrigued enough to try this DMSI 3.3.2. I guess, to be honest, I saw it as a way to introduce some new extra excitement into our relationship. It's been the same for some years now. Exciting and satisfying, but I'm having trouble introducing new experiences that don't cost a lot of money that can keep the zing alive for the both of us.

The reason I keep warning people about this is because sooner or later I will release something that does what it's supposed to do well enough that exposing your wife, even your long term relationship wife you think you know, destroys the relationship.  People aren't as simple as you may think.  She has parts and pieces that would betray you if properly stimulated, and it is the same for you to her.  I can't know for sure that this program will not, in its efforts to accomplish its goals, do that.  That is my concern.  I don't want that to happen, even once.  That is part of why progress on this program is so slow - I have to creep up to the razor's edge of balance and then land right on it perfectly to make this program work, while being safe.  That's not such an easy thing to do.  So I take small steps in some cases, because overshooting the mark, even once, can't be undone.  It is not wise to expose any woman to this with whom you wish to keep your relationship intact.  You've been warned, and that is that.

I know my wife pretty well. We've been married 41 years. I knew her as a friend for 7 years before that. I knew and called her boyfriends friends of mine as well. I am close to her family and have known her friends both through her and independently as friends of my own. I actually 'hope' that this shakes something new loose. Nothing drastic, but if she were to discover she likes male attention or feel temptation, it might introduce some excitement into our relationship in that it would help her be more in touch with her feminine side. I recognize there's a little danger here, but I am being very vigilant -- checking in with her multiple times per day.

Also, I want you to know that the early effects of this sub are EXACTLY what I've been looking for in an aphrodisiac subliminal. In just a few hours of listening it has already enhanced our interactions and appreciation of one another. I may never run another sequence after these first 8 days or I may stop it early if I see something that gives me pause. In addition, I find this a fascinating experience and experiment because of the actual changes I'm seeing. It is quite powerful. Far more powerful than any sub I've previously used, and I've used several. 

If you have anything interesting to report, but you don't think it is appropriate for the forum, you can e-mail them to us on the back end, and Ben will make sure I get them.  I can always use more feedback.

If you think you'd prefer my reports be offline, I can do that. I do like the forum software, it's easy to keep a 'journal', if you'd like to make this thread 'private' so it's just between you, Ben and I, I'm fine with that. I try to be honest to help you in your design efforts as well for others whether it's something they want to try. I am doing an 'off-label' application of the subliminal, but I often have done this with success with medications and herbs to great success. I'm a hacker-- in fact you could call me a relationship hacker. It was this process of hacking my own marriage that turned around a marriage that was not that interesting and mostly sexually frustrating to a vital, fun, highly sexual marriage that my wife and I enjoy today.
Let me know and I'll either switch to email or even put my journal in a google doc that I can share with you and Ben. Either way works for me. Let me know.
I am a little concerned with emboldening others to be as experimental as I am. So, I'll go with your wisdom on that.

[rono]

That is definitely an interesting report.  Perhaps I will have to build the couples version of this program sooner than later.  I had been planning to do so only after I finished build DMSI 3.4 standard version.

I think this is an awesome idea. I firmly believe many marriages have a lot more potential, but there are a couple key reasons that they don't progress. 1) Men aren't comfortable being Alpha which polarizes and excites women (in spite of themselves in many cases); 2) Improving a marriage from good to awesome requires creativity, time and resources that many of us have a hard time coming up with. 
We've all bought sex toys, herbal aphrodisiacs, games, etc. to try to bring some zing. But these all have limitations. Something that actually improves you as a person in a sexual way makes a HUGE amount of sense and could revolutionize many marriages. Still it would have to be applied to the right sort of marriage -- wouldn't be a replacement for counseling if that is needed, nor would it be a substitute for doing a least some of the hard, creative work.

On #1 above you have done a great job. I haven't used your products but the have good reports. I'm good on this point for now. # 2 above is something I work on constantly and is what I attribute our great marriage to. If I could easily enhance my attractiveness and even HER attractiveness to me, imagine the (good) fireworks that could result. It could easily be like falling in love all over again.

[Shannon]

It wouldn't be difficult to create a couples' version even now, but it would be difficult to maintain both standard and couples' versions while the tech is in development. That is what gives me pause.

[rono]

It wouldn't be difficult to create a couples' version even now, but it would be difficult to maintain both standard and couples' versions while the tech is in development.  That is what gives me pause.

Cool! Well, if I can help, let me know, I would definitely be willing to alpha or beta test. Also, I work with both pre-marital and married couples as a teacher/coach and would be glad to have input re attitudes that prompt the development and maintenance of a solid, exciting marriage if you would like it.

[rono]

Well, once DMSI gets going for real, the effects are waaaay more blatant and obvious than simply an increase in attention and such.

You guys sound like a healthy couple, so you may attempt to resist full execution out of loyalty to one another, but - on the other hand - because you sound like a healthy couple, you may have relatively few reasons to resist execution apart from that - so sooner or later the program *might* (and I'm going out on a limb here and say *will*) override that.

Whilst it does not have anything in particular in it to "change your morality" as far as I am aware, it's primary goal is to have people you are attracted to act on the attraction directly by initiating physical, in-person sex, and there are no limitations as to whom it affects (it's based on a set of subconscious criteria). And since it's also a work-in-progress on getting rid of resistance to subliminal programs, it's designed to get the user to execute it fully, and thus would require the user to actually become *open and willing* to achieve the above effect, as far as I can tell.

Just keep this caveat in mind.

Thanks for the response Have at ye...

I have not read anyone in the forums sharing the kind of outcomes you describe. If you have had some, or can point me to them, I am very interested in the nature of the changes it introduces to your mentality and behavior, as well as how you feel. 

Thanks for enhancing the warning. I am being very vigilant and will watch for hints at danger signs. I know her quite well so I'd be VERY surprised if she were to suddenly start going out on me or to respond to male attention in any overt way. Still, I'm keeping watch....

https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Who-d...#pid231056 - here, for instance. And when I say "drag me to the bathroom" to make out, I do mean it in a very... direct way. She grabbed me by the shirt and used force.  We only stopped enjoying ourselves upon noticing there's no lock on the bathroom door (don't ask, I don't know either).

Some people have also reported even more "all the way" situations every now and again on the various versions of DMSI. You'd have to dig into the forum archives.

Glad you guys are enjoying yourselves, though.  BTW., should you be interested, I believe the new Life Tune Up 5.5g  has an "improved love-life" module among all its other modules, so that could be an option to use in a committed relationship as well, I believe.

Hi Have at ya,

I did read that report, but it sounded like a one-off and if one is out looking and open for action I've read and heard that that sort of thing happens anyway. Sometimes the male-female chemistry is just right and the amount of alcohol consumed is in that sweet spot (not too much for the lady at least).... leads to unanticipated results. 
Now if this has started happening to you with regularity or increased frequency, that would be interesting.
How many times had you run an 8 / 4 day cycle when you got that reaction? It's a long thread and had a hard time finding the situation you describe again.

Thanks for your feedback!