03-09-2018, 04:01 AM
(03-08-2018, 03:03 PM)Benjamin Wrote: I don't support that bs movement at all. Most of it is a women whinging about nothing much and what it does is disrespect anyone who ACTUALLY has had something serious happen, not like "oh a guy pinched me on the bum"... so ***** what.
You know what, i've been pinched on the bum by ugly women several times, and i'm not here years later sooking about it and trying to start a stupid movement.
What it's going to lead to is people starting to assume that any woman making accusations is full of shit. That's what i'm starting to assume every time I see it now.
They totally contradict themselves too.
First it's "We are strong independent women, just as strong as any man, we can do what any man can do, there's basically no difference between the sexes and if you say so you're a misogonist."
Then it's "These big evil men in power are taking advantage of these little powerless women."
Which shows this stuff is only when it suits them "I'm a strong independent woman but when it doesn't suit me i'm a innocent victim."
Also if someone was ACTUALLY sexually assaulted, what's the correct response? Goto the media and get attention and try to bring down men in general, or actually goto the police?
These people are doing the first which proves it's bs.
I support the movement for its "supposed" goal/purpose, which is (I believe) supposed to be about eliminating sexual violence/assault, and raising the voice of those(/women) who have been victims of sexual violence based on the power structure/differences and the men who need to rely on whatever advantage they can hold on the women (these are men whom I don't even consider to be true men. True cowards.)
Do I like how it gets unfold, or how it has taken place? Nope. I also see that many women, group and organization that are leading the movement are doing it more based on perverted (or twisted) mentality rather than original goal of standing up to violence and empowering the victims of sexual violence.
Yes, going to police would be more appropriate, but what the women claim is that because of the power difference and structure, that doesn't work. I see some truth in that, but at the same time, I am concerned as I think the current way of prosecuting men who are accused of sexually assaulting women have become more skewed towards women, instead of trying to be more factual and neutral. I understand the tricky and difficult nature of sexual violence/crime because of nuances involved in sexual relationship and the difficulty of obtaining proofs and evidences. Yet, I believe that the balance has been somewhat broken, and that it needs to be fixed, despite the difficulty.
I remember taking Feminist Philosophy class, in which I got to learn, hear and see the original feminist movement and the original feminist thoughts. Many girls in the class (who claim to be feminists) would support the movement for its "supposed/original" purpose at the same time would be very cautious about how Me Too movement has taken place, as they do believe that false accusations and the accusations made to get some gain (such as fame, position, money, revenge, and etc) would hurt way more women (and men) than it would empower victims of sexual violence. In fact, I remember that there was a false accusation case that was on a news (I believe it was some girl claiming to be raped by a football player, but turned out to be a totally false accusation to get revenge on the guy), and I remember that these feminists were the ones who were the most critical of such women, as they hurt way more women than male sexual perpetrators. (That was basically what these girls have said.)
The media has reported quite a bit of "dubious" cases instead of clear cut cases or the real victims. (Well, I am necessarily discrediting the cases or the women who have come out. Yet, many of these cases, and women have many elements that are very ambiguous and unclear) At least, it has been true in this country. I cannot comment on how it has been in other countries, as I have deliberately abstained myself from looking at international news. (Because of my academic studies, I sorta did that a lot. I thought I needed to get some break from it. Therefore, I haven't looked at much of international and domestic news.)
In summary, I support the movement for its "supposed/original" goal/purpose of bringing out the sexual violence in the public to reduce/eliminate such behaviors and empowering victims of sexual violence. However, I don't support how it has unfolded as I see that it has deviated from the "supposed" goal, but rather it is hurting both men and women, innocents and victims. Ultimately, I can see that it could even become beneficial to the perpetrators, as it would eventually make prosecuting these perpetrators way more difficult. (False accusations and innocents being hurt would lead to this situation.)
Either way, I sorta feel that revisiting the definition of sexual violence and clearly defining it is necessary. Much of it is very ambiguous. Yes, sex itself can be very difficult to clearly define, and it has too much cultural and societal connotation. Still, if the movement were to be truly be successful, meaningful, and beneficial, I think that would be necessary.
I don't think I am too different from you Ben. It's just that this is a difficult topic. (At least for me, as I think I can see both sides.)
