(10-29-2019, 10:25 AM)Shannon Wrote: I have a few questions for you. I have observed your results and they have revealed to me some things I am going to make adjustments to in the script.
First, the women you go after and have interest in, please provide me a breakdown of their "rating" on a scale of 1-10 by percentage. For example, 20% 10's, 50% 9's, 20% 8's, etc.
Second, how many of the women are women you've just met relatively recently vs women you have been interested in for a long time?
Thirdly, what specifically are you expecting the program to do, vs what is happening?
I'm trying to narrow down specifics here to refine the script as much as possible in the right ways for v3.3.3.
Hi Shannon.
1. It took me a long time to answer this, because I know my posts are long and detailed, so they take a long time to write. I really haven't felt up to doing all that for a long time. Both because of my own reasons, but also because of some serious family health problems again.
But, I wanted to give you something as I believe it's important. Tomorrow, I'll post a bit more about my experience. But, in the interest of keeping this post on target with replying to yours, I'll limit the scope now to only the above post.
The rating thing is subjective, of course. So that is hard to answer. Some girls I'm attracted to and know now, I fully admit many other guys wouldn't really find them attractive per se. But to me, they are physically very attractive to me. However, to give you a kind of number rating: I don't believe in a "10" first off. No girl is perfect, they're all human. I knew one girl I'd call a "9", T. I wrote about her in the past. She had incredible genetics, very unusual for her race, gorgeous face I always thought, worked out a lot, and had plastic surgery done to correct one weak spot in her physique that was ironically highlighted only because of her other incredible attributes, so all of that collectively, makes her score extremely high obviously. She was also one of the ones that magically started falling off from talking to me while on the program that I wrote about that confused and angered me because each one was one I was very attracted to. She's probably the only "9" that I know, that I've been around in person at least to get this program working in her proximity, for awhile. It's been quite some time since we've interacted, I'm not even sure if the number I have for her is up to date anymore or not. That experience with her slipping away from me and strangely getting more cold and distant and even bitchy over time on the program, just further perpetuated the "she's out of your league" negative self talk I already have a problem with...
"8"s, I know a handful that could be called that by me. They all either have boyfriends, or fell off talking with me and didn't have interest when I tried in the past. The experiences of attemping to date them have also been negative (they didn't say yes, even though I still have good rapport with them to this day), and have also contributed to the "she's out of your league" mentality.
"7"s, more of those than "8"s, naturally. Mostly the same situation as above.
I just don't seem to get any traction with any of them. It always feels like a struggle, like I'm trying to go uphill, like she has more value, like she has less interest, and that I have to drive the interaction or it goes nowhere. And then it goes nowhere anyway...the program doesn't seem to actually do anything in their minds about me, which is deeply disheartening but it is what it is.
I'm basically just the "nice guy/friend/charming/funny guy/great amazing guy", that somehow never has any actual interest from women to date or have sex with. Pretty tired of it...but it's my reality and how they view me somehow, I have no idea why.
Breaking down percentages:
10% "9"
35% "8"
55% "7"
I think that breakdown is accurate enough, reflecting on the girls around my circles.
2. I'd say at LEAST 70% new girls, probably more. So that would leave a maximum of 30% "old" girls. So I am trying to branch out, as I've stated before. Even though the sub is still supposed to reframe you in women's eyes regardless as I've read before. I don't know if it's doing that for me. I recently met up with an "old" girl who last was in person with me BEFORE subs, S. We had a great interaction, she wanted my new number, I gave it. We texted back and forth a few times, now I haven't heard anything for a few days. It's the typical interaction I seem to always have, things seem a bit promising, I am pleasantly shocked and excited...then it gets ruined and it just falls apart for some unknown reason and the girl starts not replying, being ignorant and all that. Whatever. We'll see. I'm used to this behaviour now...Maybe it's nothing, maybe she changed her mind, got turned off by some stupid thing, who knows. I just know I was always very attracted to her, (probably one of the 7's, many guys would say a 6 possibly, subjective), and she was around before my IML sub journey, so I thought she would be an excellent opportunity to test things out and see if I've changed at all as before I struck out with her. I'll keep you updated on this situation as it develops, if it does...
3. Well, I don't mean to start anything...but...I know the sales page states the goal is for women we are attracted to, to become attracted to us the same intensity level, and then aggressively pursue us to have sex with them because of that. I have no idea how that's supposed to happen in reality and really doubt that can ever happen. I'm not Justin Bieber or One Direction or Drake or the really tall/buff/handsome bad boy on a much smaller scale to them, those are the only kinds of guys I've seen attractive girls act that way towards. Otherwise, we're viewed as below them, a nameless sea of options to them, that's how I've ALWAYS seen it play out with zero deviation. So, to answer your question, since I think the goal is impractical and impossible...I'm not quite sure what I expect the program to do. I don't even believe in the aura thing, so this question seems simple but in my case, is somewhat difficult. This is another reason why I needed a long time to ponder this to write back something.
I mean...I could lower the bar greatly from the sales page's goal...and say I "expect" the program to help me date S, or one of the 8's I know, or even reach for the stars and date T. But, to be honest with you, each of those thoughts, dating any of them, seem so impossible and impractical to me still. And I don't even know if I want to date, or keep trying for it, it's always a depressing, frustrating, negative experience attempting it, maybe I've just shut down on some level. I mean, you can say it's "fear" which is very possible, but I used to be more vigilant in at least asking them out compared to the last year or two. So, something has changed. Maybe a part of me is so fed up with failing with them, it's just viewed them as out of reach and me being not good enough or hot enough for them, in spite of using this program for years...and it's just thrown up it's hands and said "forget it I give up". I'm not sure anymore.
I also have no interest in the idea of casual sex. On one hand, it seems meaningless to me. On the other, I can't even reliably get messages back from girls I find attractive...never mind dates...so SEX with them seems a bit ridiculous to seriously consider at this point. Walk before you can run...and all that.
So...to circle around to answer your question, I don't know what I want from this program anymore. Given my current position with women, the idea of women I really find attractive somehow aggressively pursuing me to have sex sounds delusional and just setting myself up for disappointment. Also, the idea of trying to date makes me very queasy and uncomfortable now, maybe it's "fear" of girls, maybe it's a sense of futility and avoidance of even more pain and embarrasment from further failure etc., maybe both. Casual sex isn't an interest, and seems even MORE impossible than any of the above as that's way beyond the scope of reality for either of those, so if those are off my radar obviously this is too tens times more so.
I know I have severe problems with women, but I don't know if this program can do anything about it anymore. Maybe I'm not the "market" for it after all, I've started pondering that the last few weeks...
To answer the last part, about what is happening. I'm not sure to be honest. I am obviously not getting design goal. I'm also not getting girls trying to date me even. If anything IS happening, it's far too slight or fleeting to notice, especially in the seemingly endless sea of stuff that makes me feel insecure and depressed about my lack of success with the girls around me. And makes me feel it's futile to keep trying as they just don't seem to find me attractive, no matter how many loops I spam. Pretty disheartening experience over all, I've listened to these subs for five years. My results have been, well, difficult to maintain positivity over. Maybe that's why I've started having the internal talk about whether or not I can benefit. Maybe you're either a "hot guy", or you aren't, and that's it to them. I have no idea. I do know I'm so extremely tired of trying to figure out the female rubix cube, and after almost four decades of constantly trying to be the best guy I can be, being no closer to getting a modicrum of success with women than before. Makes me wonder why I continue to bother. Feels like a vicious circle.
Sorry for the delay. This needed a long time to try to wrap my head around, surprisingly because it seems simple on the surface. I also had some serious issues to attend to with the family. All the best.
Maybe the next version that comes along will change some of the above words. If I had zero faith, I wouldn't bother coming around here anymore. I mean no disrespect in anything above.
