CHAOSVRGN (DMSI v2.5)

[SargeMaximus]

Wish I could add to this discussion but chaos has made all the best arguments for me already lol.

I guess the one thing I'd add is that, as an experiment, guys should just try treating women like shit for a while and judge the results for themselves.

[chaosvrgn]

Honestly, I just don't know if this is the sub for me right now. I need to get my life in order and that's one thing I'm resisting. I don't feel like I'm in a place where I can attain MSI. I was sitting here looking at TravelZoo, seeing all the awesome travel deals, and it hit me that my ideal life would be living in some rural (re: CHEAP) area and using all my money to jet set around the world and see what life has to offer.

My plan for DMSI was to run it until the end of September, and then run BASE + UM until I got shit straight. I sat here and kept playing around and chasing pussy instead. Being a successful entrepreneur and living my passions has always been my childhood dreams. At this point, attaining MSI won't do much for me. Yes, v2.5 is starting to feel good and I'm starting to get motivated, but it's not giving me an intense focus on business, and it's not supposed to. This is always been a helpful "side effect."

I'm struggling to find reasons to keep running DMSI. The biggest at this point is helping with the development of v3. I can honestly wait the six months until it's complete. But, I feel like I'd be letting Shannon down, as I know he relies on how feedback to make the product.

I'm going to dwell on this today and make a decision. And this time, whatever decision I make, I'm sticking with it.

[Cozy]

Being zen is just having what you want in life, you can't be zen and not have what you want, you're just kidding yourself.

Buddhists and the like focus on wanting nothing, which is why they're able to achieve "zen", but for everyone else who doesn't have what they want, you have to hustle.

[Zeroxmachina]

Something people seem to forget though, being outwardly alpha or aggressive is actually more of a defense mechanism that generally serves as a device to impress/intimidate other men,but is almost always a cover for insecurity. Simply being aware/sure of yourself internally without the need to 'flex' or seek outside validation from anyone, woman or man, is what I believe really gives a man a presence that makes women (not girls) go crazy.

Western masculinity and it's extreme yang principles are imbalanced.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbzeqFcpGQQ

Look at Joon, the last guy at 2:39, I believe this is what a more balanced human being that's in touch with the feminine aspect is like. I'm certain that he's not outwardly someone that feels the need to 'act tough', nor is he 'beta' in any sense. But it's undeniable Joon is one of those guys that women flock too.

I guess what i'm saying is, you're strong and you know it. People will test you because they aren't confident of their own strength, it makes no sense for you to play into the insecurity game with them.

This sounds like feminist propaganda. :: Kanye shrug. ::

How many times have you ever respected a man that didn't intimidate you in some way? Like Sarge said, there are universal natural laws that guide everything, and we have a tendency to trick ourselves into thinking we're above them.

No one respects the weak. In a boxing class, allowing yourself to become the butt of everyone jokes because they hit you hard and you take it in of "zen" isn't going to garner you ANY respect.

You know what did garner some respect? When that kid hit me, giggled and I threw the prettiest overhand right ever and laid his ass out. And then, after that, this other kid decided he wanted to spar and then had his friend RECORD the fight? Why? Because he thought he could beat me and decided he was going to have something to put on YouTube and brag to the bitches.

Guess what?

He got an overhand right too, although I pulled the punch significantly because he was controlling his contact -- PLUS, he's a genuinely cool dude and a good fighter. On the flipside, you're going to learn from experience or from force that you're not going to push me around--

I mean, seriously, what the **** is wrong with you guys? Are you so brainwashed into being "zen" that you'll ALLOW yourself to be bullied by everyone, lose all respect from everyone (and yourself) and say, we'll it's A-OK, because I got my pillow made of zen, tears and impotent rage to comfort me at night!!!!

It seems like you completely misunderstood what I said. You are mis-associating being a balanced human being (equally feminine and masculine in balance as the situation demands it) with being passive, which is overly feminine, and then referring to that as 'Zen'. As I said, real strength doesn't need to demonstrate itself on a whim because it knows itself. Bullies are some of the most insecure people on planet earth when you get to know them.

Did the bullies in school get girls, yes. Because girls generally mistake that for 'alpha' and these are the same women that can't differentiate between genuine dominant males, and abusive assholes that will treat them like shit and possibly slap em around. That doesn't mean as a grown man you should be following that concept, when you obviously have developed yourself to the point where you have way more to offer than some pseudo-masculinity shield you wear to protect your inner child from getting hurt.

Men deny the feminine aspect of themselves because they fear other men will think of them as weak. But what kinda 'alpha' cares what other men think?
Here's another example of a man that's actually balanced, and thus is able to express emotion/passion without fear in a way that touches people. This is not weak.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uSgybW-y5s

Just be yourself.

[Shannon]

Chaos, you don't need to feel obligated to anything. If stopping DMSI is right for you at this time, by all means, do what's best for you.

[apollolux]

KANYE. 21 Grammys. An amazing hip-hop portfolio (if you're not a hip-hop fan, I don't wanna hear it -- "My Beautiful Dark, Twisted Fantasy" is the Kid A of hip-hop), a billion dollar deal with ADIDAS, the ability to create anything to his heart's content. And what, I shouldn't look up to him because he's unapologetic about the fact that he made it in a society that was geared for him to fail?

**** THAT.

This is the only part of your post that I have any sort of issue with, however minor it may be. He worked/still works his hustle and I respect the commitment and work ethic he exercises in making his success happen. The part in bold, though, specifically feels almost certainly like a strawman assertion, that not only his success was predicated on "fighting against odds" but also that he shouldn't be a role model because of his brash attitude and swagger.

What the American people fail to realize is that the argument isn't "you shouldn't look up to Kanye because he's unapologetic blah blah blah," it's "you shouldn't look up to Kanye because his success is predicated on an industry of nearly useless entertainment." You say "21 Grammys" I say "21 times an industry catering ONLY to audio entertainment that's all but completely useless said 'your work deserves an award, here's a useless pat on the back and fleeting validation' to him;" you say "amazing hip-hop portfolio" I say "he made audio a lot of people consume, so do a bunch of other people more or less disposable than he;" you say "billion dollar deal with Adidas" I say "someone who knows a lot about music but next to nothing about shoes got paid way too much to promote shoes, IT'S MF'ING SHOES WHY DO COMPANIES SPEND SO MUCH TO ADVERTISE SOMETHING PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BUY ANYWAYS?!?!?"

In case I haven't made it clear, my problem here isn't Kanye specifically, it's the fact that industries such as the recording industry exist where producers can earn mega-bucks for producing and distributing consumable entertainment and very rarely do the best artists themselves get the share they deserve. Kanye hustled to make sure he's as difficult to replace as possible, but eventually there will be someone else pushed to that level, whether naturally or artificially, and he will be replaced.

Regarding Shannon specifically, I think you only slightly misinterpreted his goals, chaos. Yes, he's almost certainly after money and power, but the means he chose to make that happen are primarily "creating something of value to the public." Entertainment, especially produced music, TV shows, and movies, has significantly less value than what people like Shannon in the self-help and/or health industries create by comparison. You've consistently said DMSI was the best $114.95 you've ever spent because you acknowledge this value, and likely, somewhere deep within you, you know that what entertainers create is lower value by comparison.

(edit: whoa, I spent so much time on this post Shannon already posted ahead of me :~)

I'm going to be honest. I find this post condescending, with a "holier-than-thou" attitude. I don't find music, and hip-hop in particular as "valueless." Of course, if you're not from the scene, you WOULD think that. Generally, this is why I avoid conversations about hip-hop in the first place. It's usually some outsider that's ignorant about what it means to people and isn't interested in being educated on the topic, yet feels entitled enough to talk on the topic.

If you don't see any value in "entertainment," then by all means, enjoy the life of an ascetic. That's not for me. I find great value in literature, movies, music, and other "consumables," because art is the physical expression and manifestation of the human spirit. It's how we truly communicate who we are as a people and who we are as a culture.

Have you ever actually listened to any Kanye's music outside of the radio singles? No one listens to "The College Dropout" and says it's "useless entertainment." Go listen to the song "Family Business" or "All Falls Down," and you see why people connect to his music. I doubt it. There's nothing "useless" about it just because he inhabits the "pop" industry. What I see here is someone arbitrarily trying to place themselves "above" other people. You knock down someone else's accomplishments so easily. And what have you done?

And that's the main reason I'm starting to have a problem with the concept of zen. What Shannon's describing as zen and what I see many of you calling zen are different. From what I'm reading, Shannon's zen is malleable -- it can fit into any kind of lifestyle and mindset. True self-mastery and self-actualization.

What I'm seeing from a lot of you is this idea that separating from any kind of pleasure and then placing yourself above those pleasures and then deriving some kind of value from doing it. My new life rule is this: If you haven't done shit with your life, if you're just an average, everyday Joe -- DON'T try to educate me. I'll shoot the shit and philosophize with anyone, but the moment that conversation turns into didactic drivel, I'm shutting it down.

For many of you, your "zen" is little more than inaction. Inaction that you've somehow convinced yourself is superior than taking action, and that you're superior to those who HAVE taken action.

And passive acceptance of life's circumstances is NOT a virtue.

On another note:

A profound shift in thought is occurring (if you couldn't tell). That resistance has finally passed. I'm feeling very euphoric and powerful today. Instead of an underlying sense of fear, there's a sense of power -- maybe a bit of anger. And I like it. It's motivating me to take action today. All the other days, when I felt depressed or "zen," I did nothing but watch Hulu and shit. I want to feel like THIS. So I can accomplish shit.

I think I'm going to enjoy v2.5.

You may feel my post was condescending, I accept that. I agree that it's usually outsiders playing armchair quarterback, ignorant of what's actually happening and how people actually feel and think, but I'm no outsider.

I grew up in the music industry; my mother was once a music agent, my godfather was Ralph Mercado, and my godmother was Celia Cruz. I don't often reveal this since it usually feels like prideful bragging and I've felt for a long time pride is useless without the results to back it up. I've seen firsthand the wheelings and dealings of the production and distribution aspects of professional music. I've seen music turn from expressions of individuality and uniqueness to cookie cutter "mainstream" garbage. I've experienced the integration of Latin music into pop fusion and seen its inevitable reduction in quality and increase in sameness.

The entertainment (especially music) industry has little to no useful value, at least to the common man. Irrelevant of the genre, whatever art it used to be, used to represent, has been sucked dry and turned into a formula. Sure, once or twice in a generation we sometimes get glimmers of hope to each genre like Kanye to hip-hop, but most of the time we get nonsense like Ariana Grande being compared to Mariah Carey just because she can hit high notes, where Ariana isn't even close to Mariah's league. Mariah has (had?) a work ethic and consistency almost no female artist today has, she worked from the ground up to be successful, and didn't need anywhere near the amount of post-production someone like Ariana needs for audio clarity and consistency. Ariana was essentially bred for music since childhood and is almost completely manufactured.

Music in and of itself can be, and is often, art and can have and usually has value, but as an industry is as useless and valueless as carrying a potted plant in a desert. If the industry didn't exist, would Kanye still be successful?

[chaosvrgn]

It seems like you completely misunderstood what I said. You are mis-associating being a balanced human being (equally feminine and masculine in balance as the situation demands it) with being passive, which is overly feminine, and then referring to that as 'Zen'. As I said, real strength doesn't need to demonstrate itself on a whim because it knows itself. Bullies are some of the most insecure people on planet earth when you get to know them.

Did the bullies in school get girls, yes. Because girls generally mistake that for 'alpha' and these are the same women that can't differentiate between genuine dominant males, and abusive assholes that will treat them like shit and possibly slap em around. That doesn't mean as a grown man you should be following that concept, when you obviously have developed yourself to the point where you have way more to offer than some pseudo-masculinity shield you wear to protect your inner child from getting hurt.

Men deny the feminine aspect of themselves because they fear other men will think of them as weak. But what kinda 'alpha' cares what other men think?
Here's another example of a man that's actually balanced, and thus is able to express emotion/passion without fear in a way that touches people. This is not weak.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uSgybW-y5s

Just be yourself.

Bro, spare me this SJW, pseudo-psychoanalysis bullshit. And I'm pretty well-versed in esoteric concepts, which is how I was able to determine that you're biased in favor of a feminine-centric worldview in the first place. The notion that America is too "yang," or contains too much of the fire element (expansion and action) is absurd. It's the exact opposite. We're a nation of cucks that'll do anything to get pussy.

The entire concept of a "pseudo-masculinity shield" is just a softer way of phrasing what the feminists call "toxic masculinity," a shaming term to stop men from engaging and indulging in their natural instincts. Women aren't responding to "bullies" because they're being tricked. They're responding to those men because that's what they're subconsciously, legitimately attracted to.

Man was not meant to "just be yourself." That's bullshit parroted by women. In the sexual marketplace, men are generally the pursuers and women are the seduced -- hence the whole point of DMSI, to turn women into the pursuers. So, of course they say stupid shit like "just be yourself." That's all they have to do to get tons of dick. Nothing. Just exist.

Men don't have that intrinsic worth. We're born as NOTHING. And you'll DIE as nothing if you "just be yourself." We're judged by the weight of our deeds. "Just be yourself" is little more than an empty platitude for men. It means, never improve. Never master yourself or your world. As men, we're to forge ourselves in the flames of expansion and mold ourselves into something great. And that's the issue with "zen," at least in the way you're using it. It's just inaction. It's not even self-mastery. It's not expansion. It's stagnation. And then, you've somehow convinced yourself that you're better than other people for doing absolutely nothing.

Shannon says he's zen. Shannon is an outlier. This man is a real life Professor X -- the single most knowledgeable authority on the subconscious mind in the entire world. Most of us can't compare ourselves to Shannon or even use his idea of zen, because his zen is rooted in ACTION.

What have YOU done, Zero, that qualifies you to educate me on how I should define my masculinity, MY zen? What have you accomplished? What have you achieved? How many women have you banged, compared to those "bullies?"

What has happened in YOUR life that makes you SO SURE that your way is THE way?

---

Still debating whether to stick with DMSI or BASE. Leaning heavily toward the latter. I know everyone's gonna be like, omg resistance, but I can tell the difference between resistance that's rooted in fear and resistance that's rooted in logic. And THIS is logic.

[chaosvrgn]

You may feel my post was condescending, I accept that. I agree that it's usually outsiders playing armchair quarterback, ignorant of what's actually happening and how people actually feel and think, but I'm no outsider.

I grew up in the music industry; my mother was once a music agent, my godfather was Ralph Mercado, and my godmother was Celia Cruz. I don't often reveal this since it usually feels like prideful bragging and I've felt for a long time pride is useless without the results to back it up. I've seen firsthand the wheelings and dealings of the production and distribution aspects of professional music. I've seen music turn from expressions of individuality and uniqueness to cookie cutter "mainstream" garbage. I've experienced the integration of Latin music into pop fusion and seen its inevitable reduction in quality and increase in sameness.

The entertainment (especially music) industry has little to no useful value, at least to the common man. Irrelevant of the genre, whatever art it used to be, used to represent, has been sucked dry and turned into a formula. Sure, once or twice in a generation we sometimes get glimmers of hope to each genre like Kanye to hip-hop, but most of the time we get nonsense like Ariana Grande being compared to Mariah Carey just because she can hit high notes, where Ariana isn't even close to Mariah's league. Mariah has (had?) a work ethic and consistency almost no female artist today has, she worked from the ground up to be successful, and didn't need anywhere near the amount of post-production someone like Ariana needs for audio clarity and consistency. Ariana was essentially bred for music since childhood and is almost completely manufactured.

Music in and of itself can be, and is often, art and can have and usually has value, but as an industry is as useless and valueless as carrying a potted plant in a desert. If the industry didn't exist, would Kanye still be successful?

Same with Lana Del Rey (even though I actually love her music).

Now, THIS is an interesting topic. One that I'll have to dwell on and get back to you. I think I misunderstood what you were saying before.

[CatMan]

Bro, you do you. Don't worry about what others think.

Switch to BASE, hell I've often wondered if it isn't yet another form of pedestalisation running a sub solely to make me sexually attractive and get me laid (finally). It seems easier to accept running this for me because I have most other things I want in my life already, and that this is the last bastion in my life. If I had other needs in my life, I probably would've used a sub to address them first and left this alone. Ironic we needed to experience the sub, to come to these realisations about what is really important to us. I can tell you since starting on the AOSI/DMSI bandwagon, I'm far less hellbent on women/sex. I realise how silly and wasteful a lot of my efforts have been over time and how they have never panned out, and don't feel they're worth it, overall. Funny how I'm far less interested in women/sex since starting this sub. Maybe in my case, I've come across as over-interested in the past, so this sub is dulling that out a lot, which I'm grateful for if that is the case as I'd absolutely agree with me coming across that way before. Anyway, I can vibe you on these kinds of insights along the way, these subs hit us all differently as we're all different people with different pasts, futures, personalities, desires.

Switch to BASE, I won't call you out, I'll applaud you.

[chaosvrgn]

Bro, you do you. Don't worry about what others think.

Switch to BASE, hell I've often wondered if it isn't yet another form of pedestalisation running a sub solely to make me sexually attractive and get me laid (finally). It seems easier to accept running this for me because I have most other things I want in my life already, and that this is the last bastion in my life. If I had other needs in my life, I probably would've used a sub to address them first and left this alone. Ironic we needed to experience the sub, to come to these realisations about what is really important to us. I can tell you since starting on the AOSI/DMSI bandwagon, I'm far less hellbent on women/sex. I realise how silly and wasteful a lot of my efforts have been over time and how they have never panned out, and don't feel they're worth it, overall. Funny how I'm far less interested in women/sex since starting this sub. Maybe in my case, I've come across as over-interested in the past, so this sub is dulling that out a lot, which I'm grateful for if that is the case as I'd absolutely agree with me coming across that way before. Anyway, I can vibe you on these kinds of insights along the way, these subs hit us all differently as we're all different people with different pasts, futures, personalities, desires.

Switch to BASE, I won't call you out, I'll applaud you.

I swear, I was just thinking about this earlier. How I feel so lost in life, and how I have access to the most powerful tools in history to change my life, and my response is to run a sub with that one singular focus.

I did "enjoy" my time on v2.4. I've noticed big changes in how I respond to women. I feel like the v2.5 resistance is passing, and I'm noticing some nice internal effects.

But it's time now to take direct control of my life. I'm gonna see how I feel after boxing. I get REALLY lucid and clear thinking after working out.

[Sickologist]

Finally we're speaking my language here, at least some of it.

You said "I want to be a God amongst men". Ever since I was a little kid, I felt like that. I wanted it my whole life, to be the best. I'm gonna be the most attractive motherf*cker to women who ever existed. I will be a force in the industry one day. I re-made myself from the ashes, a new brand of being that people can't quite put their finger on. Not even I can do that. It's just all the stuff that resonates with me gets soaked up, consumed and then I show the world. That's what it means to be an artist. I may not be a fan of particular artists, take Kanye for example, he had some good songs, "Can't Tell Me Nothing" is great, but I still don't rate him that much, he's okay. I'm not a hater. Justin Bieber? A really good looking kid who can sing pretty well, they market his stuff everywhere, of course teen girls are gonna fall for that. Same with Backstreet Boys, I hate their music, but I respect their producers, they used social proof etc in their videos, mass brainwashing. Smart fucking people. BUT....somehow I think I'm smarter. Time will tell.

The whole getting laid thing isn't that hard. You need a ruthless streak, but it's not even about that. It's about expecting to get it. When I approach a hottie, I expect her to want me. I talk to her as if she's already mine. I challenge those girls who doubt me, who can they get who is better than me? If they show me one, I have to step up my game. It's on me to be this huge ass enigma of power that people really respond to. You can't be yourself. Like Chaos said, you're nothing, that's until you know what you want, who you want to be and when you're ready to learn what it will take to get there. Everything else is bullshit. Sartre told me so, I beleive him. It's been working for me, I can be whoever I want to be at any second and I encourage girls to do the same. If you have good looks, cool style and a larger than life attitude, meaning you take shit from no one, you always know what's best for you, can't be fooled or dominated by anyone you will get everything. Most guys will never get it, hence why I take my haters as secret admirers. Now that's an arrogant thing to say, society told you so. I would indulge you. Then you'd smash into a wall somewhere, and it's time to get back into the lab again.

So that's mindset. I'm not a hater, I really don't give a fuck what anybody else is doing. I'm just saying my shit is better. That's because it's me. I have to believe in me more than anybodyanything else, otherwise I wouldn't be authentic, aka a real fucking person.

@ the apollo, to say that the industry has no value makes no sense to me. They had songs and plays back through the ages, every civilazation had them. Story telling is going nowhere, it will be more powerful as we move along. I get what you mean, some shitty techno song gets 100 million views on youtube, but who cares? Not really related, but it's kinda like saying gold has no value. At some point, people just decided and agreed upon that it was freaking valuable and it's been like that ever since. It's always a buyers market, but art is a bit different. You have paintings going for millions. How do you get your rep up to that level?

It's all in the hustle.

[Zeroxmachina]

It seems like you completely misunderstood what I said. You are mis-associating being a balanced human being (equally feminine and masculine in balance as the situation demands it) with being passive, which is overly feminine, and then referring to that as 'Zen'. As I said, real strength doesn't need to demonstrate itself on a whim because it knows itself. Bullies are some of the most insecure people on planet earth when you get to know them.

Did the bullies in school get girls, yes. Because girls generally mistake that for 'alpha' and these are the same women that can't differentiate between genuine dominant males, and abusive assholes that will treat them like shit and possibly slap em around. That doesn't mean as a grown man you should be following that concept, when you obviously have developed yourself to the point where you have way more to offer than some pseudo-masculinity shield you wear to protect your inner child from getting hurt.

Men deny the feminine aspect of themselves because they fear other men will think of them as weak. But what kinda 'alpha' cares what other men think?
Here's another example of a man that's actually balanced, and thus is able to express emotion/passion without fear in a way that touches people. This is not weak.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uSgybW-y5s

Just be yourself.

Bro, spare me this SJW, pseudo-psychoanalysis *****. And I'm pretty well-versed in esoteric concepts, which is how I was able to determine that you're biased in favor of a feminine-centric worldview in the first place. The notion that America is too "yang," or contains too much of the fire element (expansion and action) is absurd. It's the exact opposite. We're a nation of cucks that'll do anything to get pussy.

The entire concept of a "pseudo-masculinity shield" is just a softer way of phrasing what the feminists call "toxic masculinity," a shaming term to stop men from engaging and indulging in their natural instincts. Women aren't responding to "bullies" because they're being tricked. They're responding to those men because that's what they're subconsciously, legitimately attracted to.

Man was not meant to "just be yourself." That's ***** parroted by women. In the sexual marketplace, men are generally the pursuers and women are the seduced -- hence the whole point of DMSI, to turn women into the pursuers. So, of course they say stupid shit like "just be yourself." That's all they have to do to get tons of dick. Nothing. Just exist.

Men don't have that intrinsic worth. We're born as NOTHING. And you'll DIE as nothing if you "just be yourself." We're judged by the weight of our deeds. "Just be yourself" is little more than an empty platitude for men. It means, never improve. Never master yourself or your world. As men, we're to forge ourselves in the flames of expansion and mold ourselves into something great. And that's the issue with "zen," at least in the way you're using it. It's just inaction. It's not even self-mastery. It's not expansion. It's stagnation. And then, you've somehow convinced yourself that you're better than other people for doing absolutely nothing.

Shannon says he's zen. Shannon is an outlier. This man is a real life Professor X -- the single most knowledgeable authority on the subconscious mind in the entire world. Most of us can't compare ourselves to Shannon or even use his idea of zen, because his zen is rooted in ACTION.

What have YOU done, Zero, that qualifies you to educate me on how I should define my masculinity, MY zen? What have you accomplished? What have you achieved? How many women have you banged, compared to those "bullies?"

What has happened in YOUR life that makes you SO SURE that your way is THE way?

---

Still debating whether to stick with DMSI or BASE. Leaning heavily toward the latter. I know everyone's gonna be like, omg resistance, but I can tell the difference between resistance that's rooted in fear and resistance that's rooted in logic. And THIS is logic.

LOL!!! This tickled me to to read. Well i'll answer your questions/assumptions then:

you're biased in favor of a feminine-centric worldview

No, for the third(?) time I'll say that I am interested in balance. The westernized version of masculinity which in essence denies the feminine and seeks to subjugate it instead of integrating it is the reason the world is so fucked up to begin with. Mankind thinks it can conquer everything and everyone instead of cooperating and building together as natural laws dictate.

You know what happens when the cells in your body stop cooperating and start to consume resources and grow out of control in ignorance of the greater system,getting further and further out of balance? Disease. Either cancer, or auto-immune disorders. That's the pure Yang way, and a perfect metaphor for how human beings treat the rest of planet. And if the planet did decide to wipe us out with another great flood or super-resistant microorganisms before we irreversibly damage it with nuclear weaponry, it would be totally justified. Moving on...

Women aren't responding to "bullies" because they're being tricked

Yeah they are. Again there is a difference between being truly strong and being loud or overly aggressive because you don't want anyone to expose your weakness. I'm from the 'hood', I could give an entire lecture about the posturing young dudes learn to do in order to not look like a 'punk'. But these same guys who always seemed the toughest generally ended up in jail, not doing anything with their life besides following trends they saw on TV, dead,dead-beats, or other loser-type existences. It's easy to see through those types of fronts. The actual STRONG ones among us tend to find their way out of that environment and use the lessons it taught to succeed in general.

Most of us can't compare ourselves to Shannon or even use his idea of zen, because his zen is rooted in ACTION.

All zen is rooted in action. To me, it's the stillness of the void,being like water as Bruce Lee said that lets you respond to any situation without thought, and with effortless power/speed,etc., because the void contains limitless energy which can be used. You assumed quite a bit about what I meant, but thanks for giving me the opportunity to clarify. I dunno if you've heard of the grappler Baki series before, but basically the strongest being on the planet is also as flexible as a newborn baby. That concept, again...Balance, is what i'd consider "Zen" in a true concept.

How many women have you banged, compared to those "bullies?"

Well I haven't actually made a list since about 2013, but it was around 30 at that point. Now I THINK it would be around 37ish, but I might be undershooting a little because I can't be bothered to actually retrace my steps, so I'll just say 40 and hope i'm not that far off. But this is kinda a moot point because I don't personally think a man being a slut is something that's validating.

A better question would be, do you have no other measure of self-worth outside of the ability to get pussy? Because honestly it's not terribly difficult if you know how to stimulate a woman's mind. And guess what, all I did was be my nerdy self. I wasn't telling you how to live though, you're free to believe what you want, I was definitely saying I think your masculinity ideals are kinda fucked up though, and that there's different ways to function that will still get you good results with females. I don't claim to be some sort of aficionado though.

[chaosvrgn]

TL;DR. Stopped at "LOL, this tickled me." Not interested in dealing with AMOGs. Welcome to the ignore list.

[chaosvrgn]

First off -- Welcome back, Sick.

Second -- What happened tonight is definitely going to make it harder for me to make that switch. To start, my boxing performance was OFF THE CHARTS. I mean, seemingly endless amount of stamina. Throwing the cleanest, most powerful punches that I've EVER thrown. Turns out, I have a NASTY, NASTY right shovel uppercut. The coach actually banned me from throwing it in sparring, because he said my body mechanics was perfect -- the amount of force I'd be hitting the person with would break something, even though it didn't feel like it on the bag. In boxing, relaxation is paramount to everything. Gotta stay loose, can't be tense. I was dominating every sparring match. The coach was wondering htf I managed to improve 110% overnight. I lied and said I went home and practiced all day, but I know the truth.

Whatever I was resisting has passed.

Even bigger, all of the girls were crowding around me, laughing at my jokes, finding reasons to touch me. Only problem is, most of them are 17, and I ain't going to jail. The pretty Latina that always shows me crotch shots did it again, this time VERY blatantly. Legs wide open in my direction while wearing tiny shorts, while asking if I had a child and if I were single. I couldn't help myself, I flirted back. I've gotta watch myself -- if I get alone with that chick, "bad things" would happen. Her cousin is also in the class, and when I walked over to grab my Gatorade, she started talking loudly about giving some dude head a few weeks ago and how after he came (in her mouth), he immediately started talking about baby names if they got married. Two thoughts went through my head:

One -- ew, chick. Hearing about you drinking some dude's babyspooge isn't attactive.
Two -- ... girl, you give head so good that this dude started talking about BABIES?!?! That's that good head, ya mean.

So yeah, some cognitive dissonance there. If I didn't know any better, she was sniped. I felt an intense attraction to her and I know she was attracted to me. But wtf, Shannon? SEVENTEEN? Why you tasing me, bro? Another chick in the class was sniped too, because she started spreading her legs also. When we did the pad drills together, she kept asking if she were a good teacher. So... looks like the sniper is definitely sniping more women. Still interested in seeing how Shannon tweaked it.

Horniness is off the charts. I could drill a hole in the wall, put some putty in that bitch and fuck it right now. Ridiculous. Oddly enough, no urge to fap. It's like... real vajayjay or nojayjay, word?

I'm going to the state fair tomorrow and BECAUSE OF THAT, I'm gonna run v2.5 for another day. But then, it's probably on to BASE.