Adventures in E4

[fab10]

More exposure is definitely a good thing. I feel better and when I feel something get worked over on the brink of consciousness I can tell that something is actually happening.

I had a strange dream last night, and I only bring it up because I typically remember 2 or 3 dreams in a year. Like most dreams I remember it was pretty nonsensical. I was in a large bathroom stall with a couple other guys discussing an issue with some guy (in a work setting?) because he was duplicitous about not liking us. For some reason a random slut I seemed to dislike on a personal level enters the stall wearing something skin tight with half her ass hanging out. She said something derogatory to me (don't remember what) and started grinding her on ass on my cock. I essentially shrugged and decided that if she wanted to dry hump me it wasn't worth the effort of stopping her. Then the disliked guy mentioned above bursts in and ended up being a very tall, bald 50-60something dude and I remember being surprised that this was the guy being discussed, although I should have logically known that already given the conversation. He went up to one guy and screwed "I haaaaaate you!!!!" in his face, then started doing it to me. At this point I had a muscle cramp/spasm/whatever you call your calf flexing so hard it feels like it's try to tear off the bone and that pain woke me up very quickly. That also happens 2 or 3 times a year, but not usually in the middle of a dream.

My subconscious also directed me to revisit the Sedona Method course I got a few years ago. At the time I found it a simplistic, repetitive 20+ hours of material and no more effective than other methods of getting rid of crap in your mind like tapping. Going through it again in a new unit of time I can see why I thought that, but am also finding value I didn't find a few years ago. If whatever is being worked on by the sub is exerting pressure on my brain I found that I can use Sedona to partially release the trauma. It never goes away completely, but is a step in the right direction and I feel it getting worked over when the sub is running. One other unexpected thing happened. Usually when I'd gone through the process and ask when I could/would release whatever the bad feeling is the answer would be that I could let it go now. With some of these feelings I got different answers including tomorrow and in about an hour. Maybe that's how long the sub needs to finish working out whatever that specific issue is?      

tl;dr more is more for me at this point in time.

I read in some post that Sedona does not agree with subliminal suggestions. It had something to do with releasing interfering with “programming” if I recall correctly. 

Maybe Shannon can pitch in when he feels better because if it’s not true, I’d like to add some Sedona method to my subliminal routine as well.

[JamesM]

I read in some post that Sedona does not agree with subliminal suggestions. It had something to do with releasing interfering with “programming” if I recall correctly.

Maybe Shannon can pitch in when he feels better because if it’s not true, I’d like to add some Sedona method to my subliminal routine as well.

I'd be interested in the intellectual discussion if he wanted to make the case that there was an issue, my positive experiences thus far aside. When searching the forum for Sedona and only going through threads that were 2 pages or less I found 2 posts from Shannon that showed he wasn't particularly familiar with it. One was from 2014 where he said that outright, and one from almost 3 years ago that only said "If it's mind programming, don't mix it."

Since it's not mind programming, it'll be all guns blazing tomorrow.  

As an aside, I continue to feel worse on this off day. I spent most of the last 2 hours looking at Patek Philippe watches to get me feeling better. Off days GTFO reeeeeeeee. Cutting off days down to 1 confirmed.

[Rusty]

You are describing feeling worse on the day off as a negative thing. it is positive because your subconcious is not a machine it needs time to rest and digest all what it goes through so it make sense you wont feel as good or better then while E4.

i think in my opinion 2 different methods of therapy shouldnt be mixed. thats what my EMDR therapist told me when i told him that i want to mix it with regular CBT treatment.

[JamesM]

Oh, it's a big negative. I'm tired, lethargic and would be borderline depressed if my vibration hadn't been so high all week. I've been hyper productive since listening to my subconscious, not only getting work done but having it not feel like work while doing it. I even got annoyed at myself for taking 30 minutes for entertainment when I could have been productive. It's been too long since I've been on a roll like that.

Today I've been completely unproductive in a useless way and haven't even done my reading for the day yet,. I've even considered letting it go despite writing it in my Priority Manager. That motherfucker is magic. When I write something in it it gets done come hell or high water. I'm still going to do it, but fuck, having difficulty following through on a decision that has been made is part of my former poverty mentality that is gone and never coming back.

To say nothing of my subconscious telling me this day off stuff is bullshit and doesn't apply to me. It's telling me that it's got this and to go balls to the wall until it tells me otherwise. During the week it has told me to take a break for a couple hours when needed. I have gotten no benefit from breaking the developing habit of getting better everyday.

Come to think of it, I've been getting far more direct and specific instructions from my subconscious since I started E4. Many times in the past when asking my subconscious for a second opinion I'd get wishy washy answers like maybe do this or that could be possible with limited or no direction, but everything I've gotten since starting E4 has been both specific and actionable.

[DarthXedonias]

Oh, it's a big negative. I'm tired, lethargic and would be borderline depressed if my vibration hadn't been so high all week. I've been hyper productive since listening to my subconscious, not only getting work done but having it not feel like work while doing it. I even got annoyed at myself for taking 30 minutes for entertainment when I could have been productive. It's been too long since I've been on a roll like that.

Today I've been completely unproductive in a useless way and haven't even done my reading for the day yet,. I've even considered letting it go despite writing it in my Priority Manager. That motherfucker is magic. When I write something in it it gets done come hell or high water. I'm still going to do it, but fuck, having difficulty following through on a decision that has been made is part of my former poverty mentality that is gone and never coming back.

To say nothing of my subconscious telling me this day off stuff is bullshit and doesn't apply to me. It's telling me that it's got this and to go balls to the wall until it tells me otherwise. During the week it has told me to take a break for a couple hours when needed. I have gotten no benefit from breaking the developing habit of getting better everyday.

Come to think of it, I've been getting far more direct and specific instructions from my subconscious since I started E4. Many times in the past when asking my subconscious for a second opinion I'd get wishy washy answers like maybe do this or that could be possible with limited or no direction, but everything I've gotten since starting E4 has been both specific and actionable.

Glad to see someone else is having close to similar results. I wouldn't worry about the sliding back thing too much. From personal experience after you get to a certain point E4 becomes your new normal and you barely notice any sliding back into old ways as they put it because there are no "old ways" to slide back into. I would say if your subconscious is telling you to keep listening then probably keep listening until you probably do need a break. 

Also very happy to see someone is getting direction from the subconscious. Haven't mentioned it much because I feel like people need to actually get to that point themselves before they believe it (or in their case believe it, then experience). Its quite interesting what happens and what direction you get once you stop being divided against yourself. E4 is the only real sub where I have noticed this subconscious direction effect. Either way hope your journey inward continues to be prosperous and well worth it. I will keep a look out for this journal in the future.

[fab10]

Re: Sedona

I wish my search skills weren’t as sucky as they are. 

It didn’t come from Shannon but from Hale. If I recall correctly, a forum user reported that Hale didn’t recommend subliminals at the same time as Sedona because letting go hinders subliminal programming. Either that or the other way around.

If said user reads this, please let us know the details.

Maybe I am too concerned about interference, it must be a fear of screwing up, but I just don’t want to risk ruining the amazing opportunity these subs are giving me.

Either way, I hope you are successful!

[THolt]

@JamesM which format are you using?

[JamesM]

@JamesM  which format are you using?

Hybrid trickling stream FLAC

[Rusty]

@JamesM  which format are you using?

Hybrid trickling stream FLAC

Interesting. do you listen during the day or sleep? also do you use headphones/earbuds to listen or via speaker?

[JamesM]

My "official" listening time per ASRB2 is overnight when sleeping. Over the last week that led to the long post at the end of the first page it's been playing most of the day as well for about 18-20 hours of exposure. I play through speakers. If I'm running to the other end of the house or running in the basement for something I turn the volume up so I can still hear it.

As a probable contributing factor my sound system is way beyond what most people use. I'm using a Gustard A22 DAC, Akitika PR-102 preamp with Burson V6 Classic opamps, Akitika GT-102 power amp, Bose Interaudio 4000 speakers (unlike most Bose speakers these are actually decent) and use quality Belden cables connecting everything. Aside from the obvious benefits with lossless and hi-res music, spoken word products I listen to come through clearer and the information penetrates on a much deeper level. No matter how much audio I pump through it at any comfortable volume there is never any fatigue. YMMV greatly by plugging cheapo speakers into the back of your motherboard.

[London1]

My "official" listening time per ASRB2 is overnight when sleeping. Over the last week that led to the long post at the end of the first page it's been playing most of the day as well for about 18-20 hours of exposure. I play through speakers. If I'm running to the other end of the house or running in the basement for something I turn the volume up so I can still hear it.

As a probable contributing factor my sound system is way beyond what most people use. I'm using a Gustard A22 DAC, Akitika PR-102 preamp with Burson V6 Classic opamps, Akitika GT-102 power amp, Bose Interaudio 4000 speakers (unlike most Bose speakers these are actually decent) and use quality Belden cables connecting everything. Aside from the obvious benefits with lossless and hi-res music, spoken word products I listen to come through clearer and the information penetrates on a much deeper level. No matter how much audio I pump through it at any comfortable volume there is never any fatigue. YMMV greatly by plugging cheapo speakers into the back of your motherboard.

Damn, how much does all that cost and do you believe its necessary?

[JamesM]

It wasn't that much relative to the sound quality. You can easily get all of that for less than $3000 total, and if you're decent enough with a soldering iron to build the Akitika kits and cables yourself it would save about $1000. If that sounds like a lot to you, imagine someone offering you a new Ferrari for $20k. It's that level of value compared to what you would get from a real audio company like Audio Note or McIntosh for similar money, and completely destroys anything you'll buy assembled in a box store or on Amazon for 3 or 4 times that much.

I bought all of that stuff save the speakers in the last 6 months. Prior to that I plugged my crappy onboard sound into an old integrated amp I got at a thrift store and connected everything with cheapo Monster cables. Getting rid of those improved the sound so much I would have thought I upgraded a major component.

Since the upgrade I've noticed subliminals being more effective. I can feel the difference in how the sound waves enter my body. Will you get some effect running it through bottom feeder equipment? Yes. Will you get a substantially better return on your investment of time by investing a little money into better audio hardware you can go on to enjoy for the rest of your life? My personal experience says yes.,

[Rusty]

I like your answer james, i think the same with regarding to investment and ROI.

Can you quantify not in exact terms but what kind of benefits do you feel like you have achieved so far using E4?

Like for example more calm, more confidence etc ..

i wonder if your experience is different than mine, and i know it is just the begining and the journey is long ahead.

[JamesM]

Come to think of it, I probably went over on the total for the audio equipment, since I also got the Akitika headphone amp (crap), phono amp (haven't used it yet) and had him make some other tweaks that added to the cost. If you add in the WHAMMY (a really good heaphone amp) I had someone build for me the total should be similar. For any DIY people, build Nelson Pass designs instead of Akitika. You get another big jump in quality and the parts don't cost that much more than Akitika kits. You just can't legally have someone build one for you in exchange for money per the way Nelson Pass released the schematics to the DIYaudio.com community.

To Rusty's questions about benefits, the biggest one is the direct, useful feedback from the subconscious. It's definitely moving me in the right direction and pointing me in the direction of supplementary materials that will help me achieve the end goal faster. DRS isn't what I would want it to be yet, but it does have some effect. I've become far more productive overall and find myself putting a lot of effort into personal development. I'm definitely making good progress even if I don't feel like it all the time. That I've gotten more out of my time with E4 than that whole time being listless with E2 is not an exaggeration.

Day 17

So far the super specific feedback from my subconscious only relates to issues addressed by E4. When I asked it the most efficient way for me to get this nice penthouse I saw for sale in Hong Kong that was a measly US$300 million I got the same kind of wishy washy crap. That's a little tongue-in-cheek due to the price point (although it did happen), but I got the same thing regarding an MLM opportunity I've been considered too. But if I ask which Sedona processes I should run I get a very clear and direct answer.

Yesterday I went to the relationship section of the Sedona course and dove in to clear out everything that might come up there...and found out this is going to be even tougher than I thought. What I thought would take about 3 or 4 minutes went 20+ while feeling like hours. To top it off it wasn't even a relationship with a person - my subconscious said to start with my relationship with money. The wasn't the kind of "relationship" I thought I was going to tackle, but now I can't deny that it needs to be done. It's amazing how deeply negative programming can persist after you think you've gotten it all. Emotionally it's a downer in the moment, but getting the realization from my subconscious and having a way to do something about it is in fact a big positive.

I'm definitely not taking any more days off unless I have a good reason to do so. My energy levels and ability to progress toward the goals on the program crashed to nothing and regaining the momentum I had is not happening nearly as fast as it did the first time. It's exactly like Zig Ziglar's water pump story; if you stop for just a little bit all of the momentum is gone and you have to start all over again while being fatigued.

I've taken charge on a couple small projects in a different online community without worrying about whether or not some stuff is going to be approved or be more of a pain in the ass than it should. I wanted the objectives to be accomplished and volunteered to do it myself. So yay me.

DRS has some effect on my mom, but it's not yet ideal. It's almost like she's building up a resistance to having her own crap thrown back at her. Yesterday's nonsense was her trying to stick her and my nose into my brother-in-law's business based on part of a conversation she overheard. She kept trying to rope me into it after I explained that it's none of my business and I would need far more information to even hazard a guess on the issue (some kind of vague IT hardware failure? User error? Cheaped out on the hardware? Fuck if I know.). DRS only seems to work in person so far; it doesn't protect me at all if she calls.

MLS did a little after 6 months of use, but not nearly enough to justify the opportunity cost of the time investment. I was reading about 50 more wpm when using it but that didn't last. Everything MLS did wrong in trying to achieve its goals on me, E4 does right.