AP Code Suggestion

[Dzemoo]

i will tell you my agenda as i dont care guider

one user here offered me x24 ultrasonic version that he extraced because he is an audio specialist i accepted it as i have bought the normal x24


i asked the same user for ltu 3.0 because i have bought ltu 3.1

am I a pirate now i dont know ....

another example is catman he got a refund for sm 3.0 what if he decides some day to use it again? Would he be a pirate then?

as i mentioned as long as shanon has the monopol on subs i will be his customer but if some other comapany starts to produce equal or better subs for less money or without ap code i will swith to them, because if its all about getting value and not about friendship than i will too go for whats best for me and not be loyal anymore...

the life harvesting thing came first in my mind when shanon mentioned the ap code, i think he is basically using the vibration of pirates to manifest things for him how good this works i dont know... this would explain what shanon means by saying its not in all single stages probably the manifestation stuff because manifesting two things at the same time is difficult

[Survivor]

i will tell you my agenda as i dont care guider

the life harvesting thing came first in my mind when shanon mentioned the ap code, i think he is basically using the vibration of pirates to manifest things for him how good this works i dont know... this would explain what shanon means by saying its not in all single stages probably the manifestation stuff because manifesting two things at the same time is difficult

Great thinking, I didn't came up with it. It makes sense
Now when I think of it, Shannon had said before the ap code is in some 4Gs and in all 5Gs, except the free ones of course.And now he doesn't mention it is in some 4Gs at all. And now he is saying the educational part ONLY is in the 5G single stage, and in the 5G multistage is the 'paying in another way'+educ.part. This man could be manifesting wealth for him through using the pirates'energy in the current 5G multistages.Or what if from all..We could never know what is in the scripts

[Dzemoo]

i will tell you my agenda as i dont care guider

the life harvesting thing came first in my mind when shanon mentioned the ap code, i think he is basically using the vibration of pirates to manifest things for him how good this works i dont know... this would explain what shanon means by saying its not in all single stages probably the manifestation stuff because manifesting two things at the same time is difficult

Great thinking, I didn't came up with it. It makes sense
Now when I think of it, Shannon had said before the ap code is in some 4Gs and in all 5Gs, except the free ones of course.And now he doesn't mention it is in some 4Gs at all. And now he is saying the educational part ONLY is in the 5G single stage, and in the 5G multistage is the 'paying in another way'+educ.part. This man could be manifesting wealth for him through using the pirates'energy in the current 5G multistages.Or what if from all..We could never know what is in the scripts

thats whats scaring me because i felt very tired during 5gs multistages

[TheRealJustin]

i will tell you my agenda as i dont care guider

the life harvesting thing came first in my mind when shanon mentioned the ap code, i think he is basically using the vibration of pirates to manifest things for him how good this works i dont know... this would explain what shanon means by saying its not in all single stages probably the manifestation stuff because manifesting two things at the same time is difficult

Great thinking, I didn't came up with it. It makes sense
Now when I think of it, Shannon had said before the ap code is in some 4Gs and in all 5Gs, except the free ones of course.And now he doesn't mention it is in some 4Gs at all. And now he is saying the educational part ONLY is in the 5G single stage, and in the 5G multistage is the 'paying in another way'+educ.part. This man could be manifesting wealth for him through using the pirates'energy in the current 5G multistages.Or what if from all..We could never know what is in the scripts

I don't know what he actually meant, but when he said harvest energy I thought that just meant like people would put their energy towards promoting his stuff.

[chaosvrgn]

Yea, for what it's worth, I think the "energy harvesting" statement sounds much more sinister than it really is. People are taking it literally -- as if we're going to become batteries ala The Matrix and Shannon's gonna absorb all that energy and become Super Shannon or some mess.

I saw it more like this: Maybe you'll pick up an extra job to pay for the sub you pirated, or even to buy more in the future. Or, if you have some talent, you'll be encouraged to contact Shannon and offer those services for free. Here's where my problem comes in:

What exactly determines "fair value?"
Who determines "fair value?"
And if "fair value" is no longer specified, do you really think it's ethical to impose AP code on a pirate in perpetuity?

There have been times in my life where I was paid upwards of $150/hr for my marketing services and I'd easily make $5-6k in a few days. Sex Magnet, for example, is $500. Theoretically, if I were a pirate, and if I were to devote those marketing skills to IML, the debt would be paid off fairly quickly. However, I doubt the AP code is that sophisticated, so I could be giving far more value than what I'm receiving. That's not a fair exchange at all. In fact, it sounds more like punishment. Unless the AP Code has an expiration clause OTHER than paying for the sub -- i.e. when you stop using the subliminal, the code terminates.

Again, I don't see why the AP code simply doesn't turn off the sub's effects and/or coerce them into buying the sub and/or coerce the pirate to tell people about how great IML is. It's so much more easier and cleaner if it went this way -- ESPECIALLY if you made it very clear what the AP code did. And THEN direct people to the free subs. Maybe even make an "Alpha Male Lite" sub, designed to put the person in a dominant state quickly so they'll immediately know IML is the real deal.

I do wonder... (and I sincerely hope this isn't true) that the REAL reason IML won't make AP code turn off the sub's effects is because Shannon is aware that on all code executes (on some level) even when directed otherwise -- as we've seen with women being affected by AM and vice-versa. That means we're all being affected by AP code, even if we're legit.

There are other ways to handle this situation, one that addresses all the issues. And man, it's really becoming quite the PR clusterfart.

[Survivor]

Me too,Dzemoo, on some days I felt like passing out, even though I wasn't sleepy at all.
Many threads have been made asking for 'energy, energy, energy'. Hah, ironically, Leonidas's current thread 'about energy levels'.And guess what, Leonidas mentioned( I think it is in this thread on the second page) that he had pirated in the past. There were threads on energy, what to eat, how to raise energy, etc.

Of course, Shannon can pass it out as an 'attack on him' and that '5G multistages require energy'. Well, after all this is what this forum is all about. Like Shannon has said 'this is why we made the forum, if there is something in the sub that would manipulate to be shared(I am paraphrasing it). ' , well here we are.
I guess we will never know .This subs work however, incredibly well.I am confused right now

[TheRealJustin]

Yea, for what it's worth, I think the "energy harvesting" statement sounds much more sinister than it really is. People are taking it literally -- as if we're going to become batteries ala The Matrix and Shannon's gonna absorb all that energy and become Super Shannon or some mess.

I saw it more like this: Maybe you'll pick up an extra job to pay for the sub you pirated, or even to buy more in the future. Or, if you have some talent, you'll be encouraged to contact Shannon and offer those services for free. Here's where my problem comes in:

What exactly determines "fair value?"
Who determines "fair value?"
And if "fair value" is no longer specified, do you really think it's ethical to impose AP code on a pirate in perpetuity?

There have been times in my life where I was paid upwards of $150/hr for my marketing services and I'd easily make $5-6k in a few days. Sex Magnet, for example, is $500. Theoretically, if I were a pirate, and if I were to devote those marketing skills to IML, the debt would be paid off fairly quickly. However, I doubt the AP code is that sophisticated, so I could be giving far more value than what I'm receiving. That's not a fair exchange at all. In fact, it sounds more like punishment. Unless the AP Code has an expiration clause OTHER than paying for the sub -- i.e. when you stop using the subliminal, the code terminates.

Again, I don't see why the AP code simply doesn't turn off the sub's effects and/or coerce them into buying the sub and/or coerce the pirate to tell people about how great IML is. It's so much more easier and cleaner if it went this way -- ESPECIALLY if you made it very clear what the AP code did. And THEN direct people to the free subs. Maybe even make an "Alpha Male Lite" sub, designed to put the person in a dominant state quickly so they'll immediately know IML is the real deal.

I do wonder... (and I sincerely hope this isn't true) that the REAL reason IML won't make AP code turn off the sub's effects is because Shannon is aware that on all code executes (on some level) even when directed otherwise -- as we've seen with women being affected by AM and vice-versa. That means we're all being affected by AP code, even if we're legit.

There are other ways to handle this situation, one that addresses all the issues. And man, it's really becoming quite the PR clusterfart.

Yea that's the thing, I don't think it's humanly possible to have an apcode and have it not affect every single person that uses the sub on some level whether they paid for it fair and square or not.

If I buy a sub, why do I have programming running through my head that is made for someone who would pirate the sub?

How could that programming possibly only affect the pirater and not affect me?

There's lots of businesses that make their money selling mp3's or other digital products that could easily be copied and shared, and all of them deal with piracy the way the law has it set up, none of them do some weird sh*t and put matters into their own hands.

When a producer see's a copyright infringement he can file a complaint and then the situation gets dealt with.

These subs really should be government regulated or something, like some sort of government official should have to view and verify every script to make sure nothing underhanded is going down.

I've been using these subs for a few years now, and I never really thought about this stuff, but now when I think about it too, I'm on this site a lot and I always thought I just like this sub a lot, but now I kind of wonder if I was like programmed or something to like this site a lot.

Either way I'm still going to use all the subs I have but I'm going to proceed with caution on anything above 4g.

[K-Train]

It's not disgusting it sounds fair^ none of what Shannon has ever done or his products have ever given me that impression. Sounds like you guys have a hidden agenda. Others might buy into it but I can see it. Why would anyone put so much effort into this AP code argument? We have lives and self improvement to focus on...

LOL! I see where you're coming from man. On one hand, I'm like "Eh, I bought most of my sh!t so this AP code thing doesn't really bother me". Plus, most of my stuff with a few exceptions are 3G/4G so again the AP argument wasn't that big of a deal to me. I can understand how some of the guys feel exasperated by the whole argument because some of us basically feel like "if I obtained the subliminal legally then who cares". I think that's pretty much what you're saying and I mostly concur.

I don't think that Survivor or any of the other guys are out to "get" Shannon ( I could be wrong but I'll wait and see). Some of these points raised are legitimate. For example, if Shannon's statements from his posts are NOT matching the statements on his website...that's a problem. I personally do not think he's intentionally trying to turning us into a cult or lie however if his website's information is not correctly reflecting or conveying his/the company's stance then Survivor does have a legitimate point because stuff like that can and has gotten people in trouble.


Second point, I think if everyone knew that the AP code could/would ONLY affect pirates then the arguments would become moot. But if Leonidas is saying that a subliminal designed to only affect dudes (AM) is/was affecting a woman then that raises concerns.

For the most part here is what (mostly) everyone seems to be in agreement on.

1.) There needs to be some kind of AP code to protect Shannon's intellectual property.
* Nobody seems to be in disagreement on the Anti-Piracy education implementation suggestion.

2.) Whatever that AP code is it must only affect the pirates and NOT paying customers.

3.) The AP code must be "self-terminating". In other words, once the sub is paid off, no more effect from the AP code.

For the guys with a negative view of the "harvesting" thing, would you object to a statement such as the following:

"If I pirated/illegally obtained this program I now direct my energy towards paying off the EXACT amount owed to Indigo Mind Labs and NO MORE". Or would you fellas just be more content with a complete removal of that concept?

As stated I'm fine with the AP code but I'd be more than willing to compromise on simply eliminating (or replacing) concept 2 and moving on from since it (concept 2) really isn't that important to me.

@Chaosvrgn: I agree that a "deactivation switch" as an AP Code would be the simplest however there's always the chance it could still work anyway as someone else pointed out. If it CAN be done, then I think that solution should be implemented.

@Dzemoo: WOW...I'm not even gonna lie I'm impressed someone has the know how to pull that off (talking about the X24 thing). This definitely makes me wonder just how far off someone is from catching up with the technology here...

[Survivor]

@Frosted
1.I was warned, I realised my mistakes, I am not 'pushing ' people anymore
2.Thanks for the laugh, amusing post.What I particularly find funny was your P.S.S.
3.I didn't like your previous post to me , you were 'pushing me' (your words)
4.Everything is okay, we're cool
5.Let's stop this here and stick to the thread

6.Don't make a backstab ironic post with 6 points lol hahahah

[Survivor]

@K-Train - exactly, some of your points are very valuable, I am not trying to 'get ' Shannon, above I said I want this #2 harvesting energy to either be removed, or replaced with 'paying in another way'. Also I am happy you think like me, this #2 harvesting energy' should not be there as it could affect us
, TheRealJustin's points on how even the programming aimed at the pirater is in our heads is valuable; also we've heard many times from user how thw programs affected people it shouldn't be affecting-Leonidas said, Afzalg's girfriend, afzalg's collegues, One guys whose name I don't remember, and many others, I am sure you 've seen at lot as well and maybe it happened to you.


!!!!Everything important I 've mentioned in post #43, refer to it.

[TheRealJustin]

@Frosted
1.I was warned, I realised my mistakes, I am not 'pushing ' people anymore
2.Thanks for the laugh, amusing post.What I particularly find funny was your P.S.S.
3.I didn't like your previous post to me , you were 'pushing me' (your words)
4.Everything is okay, we're cool
5.Let's stop this here and stick to the thread

Hmm, I got warned and banned for 3 days but I was more worried about making my point heard that I wasn't thinking about other peoples feelings or anything so I understand, but I don't see what you've done but I haven't read everything so idk maybe you did something similar.

Or maybe it's more like 'These are not the droids you are looking for, talk about something else or get the boot'

[Benjamin]

Or maybe it's more like 'These are not the droids you are looking for, talk about something else or get the boot'

You know it isn't like that. This discussion, disagreeing or whatever is fine.. it's the way you were putting it across similar to how Survivor was before.

But you guys have been putting things across well now and that's good.

So let's not continue these arguments Survivor and Frosted.

You are the Lego founder , right ?

That was me, Frosted had it in his journal and as a joke I put it in my journals and asked a few guys if they wanted to do the same and it grew from there which I didn't expect to happen haha.

[Shawn]

@K-Train - exactly, some of your points are very valuable, I am not trying to 'get ' Shannon, above I said I want this #2 harvesting energy to either be removed, or replaced with 'paying in another way'.

I don't think that's a good idea. "Paying in another way" is even more general. How do you know the subconscious doesn't choose a more destructive way to pay due to some guilt, shame or fear? So the controlled energy exchange could be more favorable in some cases.

, TheRealJustin's points on how even the programming aimed at the pirater is in our heads is valuable; also we've heard many times from user how thw programs affected people it shouldn't be affecting-Leonidas said, Afzalg's girfriend, afzalg's collegues, One guys whose name I don't remember, and many others, I am sure you 've seen at lot as well and maybe it happened to you.

I didn't know about these cases but I don't read every post. So maybe it's possible that people got affected by programs they shouldn't. But that's not the only explanation. The people could be "in that mood", they could have a good/bad day and reacted that way or it could be a coincidence. And last but not least there is always an interpersonal dynamic, so if person A changes, person B changes his/her behavior, too. Many of you guys made the experience getting more often in some sort of fight while doing AM. So this could be also the case here. But if the AP code could really influence paying customers then another solution should be found or it should be modified to make sure it doesn't. Besides of that I like the new concepts.

Reading some of the post here I get the impression that there is a lot of mistrust toward the subs (or AP code, don't know). So I am not trying to attack someone, but I am wondering why are you doing these subs if you think they could harm you? Again, I might be wrong here, but that's my impression.

[TheRealJustin]

@K-Train - exactly, some of your points are very valuable, I am not trying to 'get ' Shannon, above I said I want this #2 harvesting energy to either be removed, or replaced with 'paying in another way'.

I don't think that's a good idea. "Paying in another way" is even more general. How do you know the subconscious doesn't choose a more destructive way to pay due to some guilt, shame or fear? So the controlled energy exchange could be more favorable in some cases.

, TheRealJustin's points on how even the programming aimed at the pirater is in our heads is valuable; also we've heard many times from user how thw programs affected people it shouldn't be affecting-Leonidas said, Afzalg's girfriend, afzalg's collegues, One guys whose name I don't remember, and many others, I am sure you 've seen at lot as well and maybe it happened to you.

I didn't know about these cases but I don't read every post. So maybe it's possible that people got affected by programs they shouldn't. But that's not the only explanation. The people could be "in that mood", they could have a good/bad day and reacted that way or it could be a coincidence. And last but not least there is always an interpersonal dynamic, so if person A changes, person B changes his/her behavior, too. Many of you guys made the experience getting more often in some sort of fight while doing AM. So this could be also the case here. But if the AP code could really influence paying customers then another solution should be found or it should be modified to make sure it doesn't. Besides of that I like the new concepts.

Reading some of the post here I get the impression that there is a lot of mistrust toward the subs (or AP code, don't know). So I am not trying to attack someone, but I am wondering why are you doing these subs if you think they could harm you? Again, I might be wrong here, but that's my impression.

I'm fine with all of my subs I don't think any of them will harm me. I use the ones that I like the scripts for, and the ones with no scripts I just don't use because there's no way to know if I'll like it or not or if it says stuff I want going into my head or not.

I'm fine with the apcode, I'm pretty sure when Shannon says harvest energy he means people will spend their time promoting Shannon's stuff in some way, I don't think he's talking like some Dragon Ball Z stuff or something.

My only concern with the apcode is if it will affect paying customers on some level because if we have the script going through our heads I don't see how it could not affect us completely, or at least on some level.

Whatever the apcode says I would MUCH rather have that scripting not being programmed into my brain, there's no way for me to know my brain is just going to ignore it when it keeps hearing it over and over and over and over hundreds of thousands of times, it has to rub off on me some time don't you think?

It's not such a big deal to me that I will quit using the subs I have, and I will still comfortably buy 4g subs, I don't really need stronger than 4g anyways these subs work great for me. I'd like to try some 5g subs sometimes but I'm iffy cause the apcode sounds potent in those ones and I really don't want to be affected by it, I have my reasons, and 6 stage subs are very tempting but I just can't run a sub if I don't know what it's saying. It's not that I think Shannon has bad intentions it's just that idk if he has the same views as me like I could read the script of AM6 and love it and be like damn I can't wait to try that sub or I could read the script and be like, dang, that's just not me I'll have to pass. I just can't take that gamble, changing myself completely and permanently and having no clue what exactly I'm changing myself into is just not something I'm down for but that doesn't mean I don't like the subs and it doesn't mean I think Shannon has bad intentions.

I know he just wants to protect himself from easily getting ripped off, and I just want to feel guaranteed that I won't be affected by the apcode outside of Shannon's subs, and I don't want it to like make me start promoting or whatever the apcode has the pirates do to pay Shannon I don't want it to go through my head so much that I start doing it too, because it's not like it's magically silent for people who pay for the subs, it is just as clearly heard for us as it is for the pirates so if it works for the pirates I mean it's going to work on us too.

We could do a simple experiment and have Shannon make a sub that says "If I am a female I am now insanely confident." and men can listen to it, and if it affects the men that listen to it then that's kind of proof that the apcode is going to affect paying customers.