01-02-2016, 10:43 AM
(01-02-2016, 10:23 AM)TheRealJustin Wrote:(01-02-2016, 09:21 AM)Shannon Wrote: I will start with this post, since it so far is the most inflammatory, ignorant and irritating I have come across.
(01-01-2016, 05:50 PM)TheRealJustin Wrote: I was just browsing the store for fun cause the sale and I realized that there is a PIRACY REDEMPTION subliminal.
So, Shannon, if this APCode is nothing to worry about and only educates, then WHY do people need a specially designed sub to stop the APCode?
Man, you must be lying about everything that you're saying.
Justin, I am quite frankly tired of dealing with your apparently willful ignorance. The piracy redemption is not a subliminal, it is where people can pay for anything they have pirated to deactivate AP code. Now, if I was to follow the exact same logic and maturity you used in your conclusion that "Man, you must be lying about everything that you're saying", I could reasonably respond with "Man, you must be dumb as a pile of shit." But you see, I don't go around saying things like that because not only do I think before I talk, I also try to educate myself on what's actually going on before I do so also.
Quote:You've also said there's no way for you to make an APCode that can only affect pirates and not affect paying customers, so WHY do I have a code running through my head that people need a specially designed sub to stop, and this code is affecting me? You said yourself that you can't make it only affect people pirating, and then you say it's nothing to worry about, but now I see whatever it is is so powerful that people need to use a special sub to stop whatever the apcode is doing?
That's just over the top for me, it's like you're just spitting a web of lies and half truths.
Let me explain this again for you, this time simpler.
You cannot execute a script without being affected by it.
You cannot be affected by a script without executing it.
You cannot comprehend a script without at least partially executing it in the process of comprehension.
Therefore...
If I set up an AP script, and it's designed to affect only pirates, non-pirates must comprehend it just as pirates must. Thus, both will be executing the script.
THIS IS WHY I FOCUSED ON EDUCATION instead of any other option. Education cannot be detrimental for anyone, because those who don't already get it will be unaffected since they already know it, and those who don't know it will grow.
I am tired of your ignorance and your personal attacks. Personal attacks break the forum rules, by the way.
Now as to ignorance, let's explore that a bit. You say that my IP code is "fear based" but that's kind of a ridiculous idea, given that the programs it is found in almost universally have anti-fear programming in them at the same time.
The simplest of logic therefore says that I cannot be using fear based methods for making my AP code work.
This is another reason I turned to education. And what does education do? It helps people overcome fear.
Why do people still pirate my stuff with impunity? Because they're not afraid to. Because we don't use fear based or guilt based or shame based AP code, I work against guilt shame and fear at every opportunity. So your argument that this is fear based is just ignorant, and dare I say it, stupid.
Now you and a very few others keep saying that. Yet it's never been an issue until YOU started screaming about how there was something to fear. YOU are the fear monger here, not me. YOU are the one making people afraid of something that is nothing to be afraid of, and then pushing to have the AP code removed.
You have also said multiple times that you do things you believe to be piracy, but yet on several occasions what you said you do that you think includes piracy is not piracy at all. Which again points to your ignorance of what you're talking about. Which makes me wonder why anyone is listening to your fear mongering.
Your little expose about how I lose no money to piracy is full of logic errors and very much wrong. It's the whole reason copyright law was created and enforced in the first place! People lose a lot of money because of piracy. I estimate that I would be making a MINIMUM of 2-3 times what I make right now if it were not for piracy. And unlike you, I see what my paycheck looks like from month to month. You have only theory to go on. If you were a content producer, I guarantee you, piracy would not be something you looked forward to.
You guys are all pushing for no AP code for this reason and that reason, and I am hearing arguments against education because it's "just more control". Well by that logic, we should all have no education at all and be beating each other to death with sticks and rocks!
So I am going to EDUCATE you all. The more your arguments against AP code are based on ignorance and fear mongering, the less seriously I will take them when I decide what to do. Fear based thinking is irrational, illogical and USELESS. I hear a lot of "Let's benefit the pirates" but very little of you guys considering the point of view I have. When you buy a copy of my program, and multiple people benefit who would not have benefited otherwise, you are losing me money that is a direct and primary incentive to keep producing these programs and doing the research and development. Only a fraction of the people who pirate it or try before they buy actually ever buy. Some forget, some are too lazy, and some just don't care. I'm supposed to pour months and years and decades into my work in the hopes that people care enough to pay for something they already have, and have benefited from, with no other reason to pay for it?
Here's a little more education for you. This is what I have come up with so far for the new AP script and notes, copied from my word processor, word for word. This is what I'm thinking. Not some devious evil plan you guys keep trying to insist I'm coming up with.
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New Anti-piracy script
I now consciously and subconsciously consider and make myself aware of the value of all the time, effort, work, expertise, knowledge, research, development, testing and experience that went into making this program.
I now consciously and subconsciously consider and make myself aware of all the value I get from using this program, and I make myself consciously aware of the fact that the value I get from using this program comes from using this program.
I now consciously and subconsciously consider and make myself aware of how I would feel and respond in response to my choices and actions regarding this program if I were the producer and creator of this program and someone else did the same thing.
I now make myself consciously and subconsciously considerate of the value of all the time, effort, work, expertise, knowledge, research, development, testing and experience that went into making this program, and the actual time, effort, work, expertise, knowledge, research, development, testing and experience that went into making this program, and I now choose to do the right thing regarding returning fair value in exchange for it and the value and benefit I get from using it.
I now educate myself on what the copyright laws of my legal jurisdiction are and how they affect me.
I now choose to follow and obey the copyright laws of my legal jurisdiction with regards to this program.
1. Eliminate desire to use the pirated subliminal (consciously aware or not).
2. Direct to IML and purchase subliminal if the person needs whatever it is they are using if they can afford it I'm sure they will pay for it.
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Part of me wants to drop AP code entirely because I feel like it's a huge waste of my time. Then some of you come up with these pie in the sky seeming ideas that piracy doesn't hurt anyone, etc. while quaking in your boots that AP code might be doing something to you that you already know it's not doing. That makes me want to pursue AP code because it makes me have no hope that the general populace has the capacity to do the common sense right thing without being educated and poked to think of someone else besides themselves once in a while.
For the time being, I'm going to be developing the AP code. You guys are welcome to give me your input and suggestions.
As for the suggestion to the lock and key system, it fails because, again, I do not have a way to perfectly execute an if/then statement. I have found a way to make it very accurate, but that code is so complex that everything it would work for would need to be 6G only, and that would mean I can't use it until 6G is released. Even then, it's not perfect yet.
Didn't finish reading this yet but insulting me and then saying you would never insult me, yea sure...
The apcode being fear based isn't me saying you are using fear it's saying you made the apcode out of fear. You are so full of fear of someone pirating that you made an apcode, hence, it's fear based as in based out of fear, as in you're so full of fear that you made it.
You've shown your true colors a ton throughout this whole apcode situation and I have to say I'll never buy a sub from you again. Peace.
I have been considering firing you as a customer, so there's no love lost regardless of what you choose to do.
Now then, I being afraid of piracy, no. I being on the losing end of the deal, yes. It's like this.
Case #1. Person goes to a store to browse. They see something they like, but cannot afford it, are not willing to buy it for whatever reason, etc. Since it is a physical object, they have the option to steal it or wait to buy it. If they wait, they get no benefit from it in the meantime, and that is that. If they steal it, they have committed a CRIME and have access to use, enjoy, benefit from it without having repaid the work that went into conceiving it, designing it, making the machinery to create it, actually making it, putting it together, testing it, packaging it, designing the packaging, shipping it, finding stores to sell it, packing it, unpacking it, paying the people who did all this, and dealing with defective and return items. Get caught stealing, and you will go to jail because it is a CRIME.
Case #2. Person finds a digital product on a torrent site and decides to download it. They now have possession, access and can use, enjoy and benefit from said merchandise, with impunity. This merchandise is intended for sale, and has a price that the creator expects to get paid for it because of all the time, etc. that went into making it and making it available. Because it is digital, and easily copied, and for NO OTHER REASON, the person who now has possession of this product (which took time, education, money and skill to create) has no real incentive to return the value they got. In AT LEAST 2 out of 3 such cases, they DO NOT. Were this a physical product, it would be the same crime for those circumstances to exist, doing the same damage to the bottom line of the producer, but somehow magically people would actually perceive it as a crime. The ONLY difference is that it is easily copied, and that people do not perceive there to be any damage done because they are only thinking of themselves in this whole process. Capitalism training consumers to be entirely self serving, at it's best.
Now, we have a very real issue that the producer (in this case, that's IML and ME) is losing money with every copy that would have been paid for if this was a physical product. Let's say 10 people download the program, and use it, and gain benefit from it. How many do you really think are going to pay for it? The original conditions for those 10 people to gain that benefit was for ALL 10 to pay price X for it. So what would be at or very close to 10X in income if it were a physical product now drops to... what? 2x? 3X?
Let's be generous and say it drops to 4X, because we know that the majority of people either forget, don't care, are too lazy or do it out of spite. That's still 6X income that was lost to the producer.
More than half the income lost, because people don't think it is losing anyone money, or don't care.
How do you think that makes me and Andrew feel when we look at our paychecks? We might make twice, three times, maybe even more times as much per month... but we don't.
How much more R&D could we have done with that income? How much more advertising? How much more help could we have?
This is not a victimless crime. It's a crime perpetrated by people who don't think about anything but their own point of view. And it's still a crime. There is still a loss of money being perpetuated. Have you ever noticed how banks are so particular about the amount of money they have? Or that you not spend more than you have? Or that you pay off your credit cards? How about the IRS, ever seen what happens when you don't pay your taxes?
Money cannot have value in one case and be casually ignored in another if we are going to say it has value at all. If you want something that has a price tag, you have to pay for it, or go without using and enjoying it. Those are the rules by which the marketplace works, and piracy is only dragging us all down. Producers must work harder to make the same amount of money only so a chunk of the populace can have a free ride. Did they earn the value that that free ride represents? Of course not. So the value is being lost, money, and yet the producers are getting flack for being upset and trying to prevent it? The world has gone insane!
You by your own admission didn't even bother to read my whole post, so you chose to remain ignorant. Even if I did misunderstand what you were saying about fear.
No, Justin, I'm not afraid of piracy. Just as a store is not afraid of thievery. I just don't want to deal with or suffer from it.
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The scientist has a question to find an answer for. The pseudo-scientist has an answer to find a question for. ~ "Failure is the path of least persistence." - Chinese Fortune Cookie ~ Logic left. Emotion right. But thinking, straight ahead. ~ Sperate supra omnia in valorem. (The value of trust is above all else.) ~ Meowsomeness!