07-06-2011, 05:45 PM
Couple of points.
First, I'm planning to do studies on them. But formal studies are very difficult to do to hard scientific standards, partly because this is a soft science (psychology) and partly because designing experiments that are efficient at proving the change is there is a lot more difficult than most people realize. This is a large part of why there are so many contradictory studies out there: it's hard to accurately study something you don't understand. Well, I underdstand them pretty well, but that understanding also means that I see how complex and difficult this process is actually going to be. Yes, it can be done, and yes, eventually I am planning to do it, but this brings me to point #2:
Doing proper double blind studies in a serious way with the help of a reputable university is going to be not just difficult, but very expensive. To seriously do such a study, the participants will probably have to agree to sleep in laboratory conditions for at least 32 days straight, and in order to do the study without having it attacked for being too small a sample size, I have to either repeat it a lot, or have a lot of people do it at once. And again... this will be VERY expensive. Sufficient time and space in the labs equipped to properly execute such carefully controlled studies in a scientifically valid and rigorously checked, controlled and verified manner will be in the tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars, most likely. Not just for the lab space and time, but to pay the participants, and the people monitoring them, and for the equipment time and the people to help me create the experiment, verify the procedure, and analyze the results. You think they'll do all this for fun? No.
Until I have in hand a report from such a respected and reputable university's psychology lab, which both meets my criteria for how the experiment was conducted (fairness to the handling of the subject) and meets the critical eye of the other experiment designers from a scientific point of view (fairness to a genuinely scientific and impartial experimental process), and that report can reasonably stand up to hard scientific scrutiny from those who may disagree with the outcomes (cause I already know what the experiments will show), the whole point will not be valid.
Simply giving them my subliminals would get me nowhere also. They have to have incentive to even listen. Otherwise I'm just some guy asking them to spend time and money on something they may have already tried to do in a different way, without giving them a reason to.
Sure, I could commission an "unbiased" test and do it on the cheap and use sloppy "science", but what would that get me but a bad reputation? Advertising BS is just that. I want hard scientific proof, and hard facts, not BS. So until I can afford that sort of study, we're in a holding pattern.
Point #2: Spiral, please edit your post to be in line with Rule #4.
First, I'm planning to do studies on them. But formal studies are very difficult to do to hard scientific standards, partly because this is a soft science (psychology) and partly because designing experiments that are efficient at proving the change is there is a lot more difficult than most people realize. This is a large part of why there are so many contradictory studies out there: it's hard to accurately study something you don't understand. Well, I underdstand them pretty well, but that understanding also means that I see how complex and difficult this process is actually going to be. Yes, it can be done, and yes, eventually I am planning to do it, but this brings me to point #2:
Doing proper double blind studies in a serious way with the help of a reputable university is going to be not just difficult, but very expensive. To seriously do such a study, the participants will probably have to agree to sleep in laboratory conditions for at least 32 days straight, and in order to do the study without having it attacked for being too small a sample size, I have to either repeat it a lot, or have a lot of people do it at once. And again... this will be VERY expensive. Sufficient time and space in the labs equipped to properly execute such carefully controlled studies in a scientifically valid and rigorously checked, controlled and verified manner will be in the tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars, most likely. Not just for the lab space and time, but to pay the participants, and the people monitoring them, and for the equipment time and the people to help me create the experiment, verify the procedure, and analyze the results. You think they'll do all this for fun? No.
Until I have in hand a report from such a respected and reputable university's psychology lab, which both meets my criteria for how the experiment was conducted (fairness to the handling of the subject) and meets the critical eye of the other experiment designers from a scientific point of view (fairness to a genuinely scientific and impartial experimental process), and that report can reasonably stand up to hard scientific scrutiny from those who may disagree with the outcomes (cause I already know what the experiments will show), the whole point will not be valid.
Simply giving them my subliminals would get me nowhere also. They have to have incentive to even listen. Otherwise I'm just some guy asking them to spend time and money on something they may have already tried to do in a different way, without giving them a reason to.
Sure, I could commission an "unbiased" test and do it on the cheap and use sloppy "science", but what would that get me but a bad reputation? Advertising BS is just that. I want hard scientific proof, and hard facts, not BS. So until I can afford that sort of study, we're in a holding pattern.
Point #2: Spiral, please edit your post to be in line with Rule #4.
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The scientist has a question to find an answer for. The pseudo-scientist has an answer to find a question for. ~ "Failure is the path of least persistence." - Chinese Fortune Cookie ~ Logic left. Emotion right. But thinking, straight ahead. ~ Sperate supra omnia in valorem. (The value of trust is above all else.) ~ Meowsomeness!