(10-13-2013, 05:59 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote:(10-13-2013, 04:42 PM)Shannon Wrote: Sarge, I actually was surprised that my last post went up, because I thought I had not posted it. I decided not to because I concluded that you would not understand what I was saying and it was better to let you learn your own way. It's not lectures, it's me trying to point something important to you out. In any case, I've spent enough time doing that.
No problem Shannon, I understand.
I do have one curiosity though, when it comes to my beliefs on karma, it seems only logical that if you cause someone pain or suffering or what have you, they must have done something to deserve it. I mean, if it's me suffering from some guy stealing my woman, I KNOW that you'd be the first to say "I told you so! It's karma!" so, in that instance, the guy is being my karma.
Why can't it work the same way for me? It's almost like for other people they are tools of karma in your mind whereas I am completely independent of it and each and everything bad I do will yield karma, rather than BE the karma.
Any ideas?
You don't know I would be the first, you assume I would. But you would be wrong.
If we consider the concept of karma as similar to walking along the path to our ultimate goal as a being, then karma only kicks in when we step off the path. And when we so, we naturally have to retrace the ground we walked away from the path to get back to it.
In any interaction that deals with karma, there must be an initiation and a recompense. One person steps off the path, and eventually that person must return to the path. The initiating action does not necessarily have anything to do with karma until it's enacted. The recompensatory action is something that is chosen as a means of realignment, or returning to the path. These do not necessarily have to happen in one lifetime.
So for instance, I could stab someone to death, and if they did not karmically have that debt to realign in kind, then I am not repaying a karmic debt, I am creating one.
The issue at hand is that one cannot know at a conscious level whether the action is initiatory or recompensatory.
In many cases, recompensatory acts are not necessarily acts done by the body, but by the soul before birth. One might be born with damaged legs to understand what the cost to someone else was who at one point you ran over and crushed the legs of, for instance. The idea is to learn why the initiatory action is "off the path" by experiencing the fruits of it, and not just the action of having done it. We always experience both sides of the coin.
Since you cannot know if the act is initiative or recompensatory in nature with regards to karma, it is naturally wise to never enact anything that has negative karmic consequences. Wisdom, as they say, erases karma.
With this understanding, living a life of kindness and consideration towards oneself as well as others becomes quite natural to do. It prevents taking on more lessons, and allows for past lessons to be learned and dispensed with. There is no "becoming karma", because karma is nothing more than a measure of your alignment with regards to having an understanding of what the right way is.
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