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[Shannon]

I have messages stating that people will consciously notice what the sub does for them - people don't realize it as well otherwise

they do not notice if women are irrestibily drawn to them? must not be very effective then unless you consider not noticing looks

The messages I refer to are to cause people using my programs to consciously notice the effects of subliminals making internal changes in them, their thinking and how they themselves act, since most people are not very aware of themselves or their surroundings the majority of the time.

Anyway have decided not to use as I disagree in principle with subjecting myself to something not knowing what it is . I do not fear it, just principle.

By this decision, you logically show with your choice of actions that you believe subliminals are valid and effective. Otherwise, there would be no concern, whether or not you knew what was in the script, because if they did not work, it would and could not affect you regardless. If you did not fear it, you would use it regardless.

in relation to others puting underhanded techniques to stop it working if pirated i will say-

It is nonsense to say one can prevent a program working if it is not paid for. people can accept and reject what they wish. They can decide it will work because it is their mind and their opinion as to whether they should pay for it. It is their conscience that decides if they should have paid for it. It is their opinion as to whether it has been pirated/stolen. People who would not steal a purse will share file and not feel it wrong

My first point would be to that you have not read the thread on copy protection, as you say you have, because if you had, you would know that I never said the program would stop working if you pirate it. On the contrary, I decided to allow people to get the benefits of the program regardless, because it only gives me a bad reputation to prevent it from working. I do not allow them to steal from me.

My second point would be that it is preposterous for you to come here with the profound lack of knowledge about the subject that you so prominently display, and tell me what I can and cannot do with subliminals. Especially after not even reading the forum well enough to know what you're talking about in your own argument! Your ignorance of what you are talking about is staggering, and as such, you have successfully destroyed all of your credibility.

However, it is not a matter of opinion as to whether something has been stolen. In a situation where I spend time, effort, and money to create something, and I offer it for sale, if you use and benefit from it without paying for it, and you do so without my permission, you have gained from my work, and I have not. That is you taking money out of my pocket. Which is theft. Plain and simple. Which would be the reason there is a law against doing it. You may have heard of it: copyright law? You can talk till you are blue in the face and justify everything you like, but the facts remain as they are.

And just as the subconcious can filter out and resist anything that the person does not really want to do or fears so it can filter out the suggestion it will not work unless paid for if that is not against the persons understanding of 'steal'

Again, your argument is based on a false premise, on top of being in error as to what you are saying. The subconscious can try to resist, but if the program is created properly, even the most resistant person will not be able to resist successfully forever. I proved that with two of the people who used my subliminal to successfully stop smoking. Of course, I'm sure you'll say that them stopping an addiction they had for decades, which they couldn't stop with any other method, is just a placebo effect. Again, you are ignorant of the facts, and the truth, and your argument is invalid therefore.

Also while you say that your programs work there is to my knowledge no scientific proof subliminals work. The original drink coke was a hoax, Vicary admitted it. What is on the forum is anecdotal evidence only and from people with emotional involvement

Your knowledge, as you demonstrated at least twice already, is at best severely deficient and questionable in a number of directions. In this case, you again display an embarrassing level ignorance, since it is quite obvious to anyone who has done even the slightest bit of real research on the matter of what scientific evidence there exists on whether subliminals work or not, that you haven't done any.

As for Vicary, you argue that my subliminals don't work because in 1957, someone claimed something he could not later reproduce. Your argument is a non-sequitur. Since I am pretty sure you don't know what that means, please allow me to be gracious and explain. A non-sequitur is a logical fallacy, and it means that what you are saying (my subliminals don't work because Vicary was perpetrating a hoax in 1957) does not logically follow, and is therefore invalid.

What is on the forum is anecdotal evidence, that is true. But not everyone has an emotional involvement. Anecdotal evidence, however, grows in validity as it becomes more prevalent. To disregard the entire body of evidence that is this forum because it is anecdotal is quite arrogant, given how many pointers there are here to the fact that something is genuinely going on. What this forum does show is that we should be doing higher level research and clinical studies, which will happen when they become possible. Such research is usually very expensive, and is not undertaken lightly. So the value of the forum's anecdotal evidence is at least that of the cost of doing said research.

You are showing yourself desperate to validate and justify your conclusion, which we both know is both based in fear and is wrong. Unfortunately for you, your knowledge, your argument, and your skill at debate all seem to be critically deficient in this case. I suggest you would do better to spend your time on something else.

Thanks for your feedback.

You are quite welcome. Any time.