Natural Seduction for Men (NSFM) questions

[JackOfHearts]

4g. is there a 5g version of attract your perfect friend with benefits?

http://www.subliminal-shop.com/product/m...-lover-5g/

It's not worded as friend with benefits but seems to be the same to me.

[iceman]

That said, you don't have to stop, as long as you don't use them at the same time or within a couple hours of each other, and you limit your use of NSFM to more than 4 hours per week. No more than one day a week. Never on consecutive days, but instead always give yourself a week off.

NSFM is designed to use near instant or instant effect technology to achieve a state shift. It's not intended primarily for long term programming. It's designed to be used for a few hours before going out "into the hunt". Used as I describe above, it should not affect AM6 usage.

Thank you.

[jonathan4all]

So I assume it will work with any other subs like AM/SM/WM BASE/BAMM or any other type c 5G subliminal too.

[Shannon]

Under those described usage patterns, it should be fine, yes.

[K-Train]

I had a date yesterday and used this bad boy 30 minutes before i got there. Worked like a charm.

Humor: spot on
Body Language: sexual and confident
Conversation: Fluid with almost no lulls and/or awkward pauses.

We met at a Starbucks on campus. She told me she likes her single life and doesn't think she'd have time for a relationship which I was cool with. Afterward I walked with her back to the library and on the way there I placed my arm around her. I then told her that I respect her decision to want to be single but I leaned in and whispered to her if she ever needed someone to come over and take care of that body to let me know. She went into a fit of giggles before telling me she'd think about it and would let me know. She gave me a full hug before we parted ways.

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I've used NSFM several times so here's my take on it:

Whatever knowledge on seduction you have now comes to the forefront of your brain. So for example, I am a huge fan of Alan Roger Currie who teaches a direct style of seduction. While we talked I remembered a lot of the info from his book as well as other general seduction knowledge. I last used it Thursday and I still was feeling the effects throughout today (Friday 4/10).

tldr: I like NSFM, it's a good subliminal.

[Jakeb203]

NSFM Is intended primarily for very short term in-the-moment use. Hours, not days, weeks, months or years. It is one of the first uses of the HyperSpeed/MaxSpeed and the advanced state shifting. Its goal is to basically put you in a state such that you get the hell out of your own way and whatever skill and knowledge of seduction is allowed to flow and be expressed freely and naturally. If you're not familiar with seduction, it will put you in a state that is helpful, but without knowledge, it's only going to make things easier to learn, not necessarily express what you don't yet have.

Shannon, would you recommend doing/learning pickup while doing SM3? Seems like a lot of people feel a level of passivity in terms of pursuing girls proactively.

[Shannon]

NSFM Is intended primarily for very short term in-the-moment use. Hours, not days, weeks, months or years. It is one of the first uses of the HyperSpeed/MaxSpeed and the advanced state shifting. Its goal is to basically put you in a state such that you get the hell out of your own way and whatever skill and knowledge of seduction is allowed to flow and be expressed freely and naturally. If you're not familiar with seduction, it will put you in a state that is helpful, but without knowledge, it's only going to make things easier to learn, not necessarily express what you don't yet have.

Shannon, would you recommend doing/learning pickup while doing SM3? Seems like a lot of people feel a level of passivity in terms of pursuing girls proactively.

I'm of the opinion that modern PUA style "pickup artistry" does more harm than good for both genders, so I cannot say I recommend it, no.

Now there's nothing wrong with getting off your ass and going out to mingle and socialize and flirt, etc. but a lot of the styles of PUA I have seen, at least, have guys getting themselves seriously screwed up in their beliefs and hurt, and the women they try to interact with get hurt in the process too. It's so focused on sex at all costs that it dehumanizes both genders and the act of sex itself. It causes women to become more distrusting of men, and in response, men to become more and more distrusting of women. It just generally escalates the war of the sexes unnecessarily. I am not a fan.

Now that's not to say there is not some good, useful information being taught, but do I have the time to study all of what's out there and try to separate the wheat from the chaff? No. I have a better solution, and it's called AM6 and Sex Magnet.

If guys aren't seeing much action on SM, it's because either they don't want it, or they're not ready for SM. How could they not want it? Well, when you get to a certain level, you're not going to just stick your dick in anything that crosses your path. You have too much self respect for that, and you also have the program telling you not to have sex with women who are trying to trick you into something dangerous, or who have an STD.

So if SM isn't working for you... go run AM again.

[AfzalG]

yeah this might be true shanon buts the gender war cannot be stopped you can only choose on which side you want to be

and pick up works only for poeple who are good in it and does only harm beginners....

pick up wont get you love or a girlfriend thats very unlikely to happen pick up will make you good at gettin laid thats it many guys dont understand this... pick up will change you and possible make you unable to love a women or be satisfied with only one women...

look at the real pua masters they have no girlfirend or women at all so choose wisley which way you will go...

if i knew this years ago i wouldnt probably learn pick up but now i have to go this way...

[Shannon]

yeah this might be true shanon buts the gender war cannot be stopped you can only choose on which side you want to be

That is false, and based on faulty thinking. The gender war can be "won" by the same means as you would eradicate hate. Hate perpetuates hate, so STOP HATING! This back and forth "women hurt/used me, so I'm going to hurt/use them!" begetting "men hurt/used me so I'm going to hurt/use them!" begetting "women hurt/used me, so I'm going to hurt/use them!" is a never ending carousel of stupidity. You know how you stop a war? You outgrow the thinking that started and perpetuated it. And this one will eventually end, if the species does not eradicate itself first, when people understand that just because you are not me does not mean that you have no value or feelings. By your logic, there would never have been an end to the very first war that was ever fought by humans.

and pick up works only for poeple who are good in it and does only harm beginners....

Who, then, got to be good at it without ever being a beginner? Pickup harms the beliefs of the person learning it by teaching them to believe things that are not true ("people only have value for what you can get from them", "women are only worth knowing if you get to fuck them", "I can disregard the emotions of a person if I get what I want from them, because their only value is in their sex organs and it doesn't matter if I use them for sex and then walk away", "they and their emotions don't matter", "sex is the only valid goal in life", "it does no harm to a person to be used for sex" and "it does no self harm to use others for sex" being some prime examples)

Women by nature feel in connection with sex. They associate it with emotions and emotional bonding. Those who don't are damaged. So with men, but our society has so brainwashed both genders to believe that men have, and should have, no emotions or emotional value or response, that men consistently self damage by having sex carelessly. And they're so in denial because they've so bought the bullshit line about having no emotions or not being allowed to express or accept their own emotions that they self repress to the point of not even seeing the damage they do to themselves by having sex carelessly.

Sex for fun is great, and you can do it safely once in a while, but if she's got to be manipulated into doing it, she was resisting more than likely to defend her emotions from the damage they will suffer if she has sex without regard to them. Like you want her to do.

pick up wont get you love or a girlfriend thats very unlikely to happen pick up will make you good at gettin laid thats it many guys dont understand this... pick up will change you and possible make you unable to love a women or be satisfied with only one women...

If you make "getting laid" your primary goal, you end up with a lot of time spent acting like an animal. No benefit to it but the moment of orgasm, and maybe the street cred you get from others like yourself for being good at manipulating others into having sex with you when they would not have otherwise. It's an empty, valueless activity. Getting laid to get laid is just acting like an animal. It is the primal expression of the genes with no real value, because the results are what? A moment of orgasm? Bragging rights? An STD or a baby? Sex has value as a way of reproducing, and a way of sharing intimacy and bonding emotionally to make a relationship stronger. Otherwise, you're just fooling yourself thinking that having nailed that "10" made any positive difference or mattered at all.

I'm not saying that every time you have sex it has to be the grand end all, be all. I am saying that having your life's goal be to get pussy is a shallow, useless, time wasting goal, taken by itself. It doesn't get you anywhere. It doesn't get you anything. So you fucked a lot of women, so what? So you bedded a lot of "hot girls", so what? At the end of the day, what have you accomplished that you could not have accomplished with your own hands, if the whole point is just ejaculating? Nothing. Instead you've wasted your time and money, and you have nothing of real value to show for it.

You cannot use people for sex alone and really enjoy yourself. Or your life. Or them. And that activity only breeds people who are more and more damaged, cautious, difficult to get, wary, and resentful of the gender who did it because various members of that gender were good enough at manipulation to get them to let their guard down long enough to get used and tossed asside. Then they learn to be wary, harder to get, and they start following the same training you are reading trying to get up on how you did what you did, so they can defend their emotions from you. And then someone has to invent some new technique, and the cycle begins anew.

In the end, you get what out of this? Not a damned thing. Unless maybe you landed yourself an STD or three and maybe a kid.

Sex for fun is great, for an occasional thing. But humans need more than NSA sex.

I have been in your shoes. I did the whole "anything for some pussy" thing. I also know that the best way to get to sex is not PUA.

look at the real pua masters they have no girlfirend or women at all so choose wisley which way you will go...

You mean they've bought their own BS so much and self damaged so much that they're typically incapable of understanding, appreciating or achieving anything but sex only.

if i knew this years ago i wouldnt probably learn pick up but now i have to go this way...

Because you're not getting a new chance to make new choices and decisions, every second of every day. Because someone else is controlling your mind, and you're helpless. Right?

Every single second of every day, you can make hatever choices you want to make, and telling yourself otherwise is a cop out that enables you to have an excuse to do something other than what you know is right. Otherwise you wouldn't have to make up lies to yourself such as, "I don't have any choice in the matter."

If you want to do PUA, do PUA. But own your choice. If you disagree, disagree. But own your choice. And understand that you make your choices, and giving away your power with "I can't," and "I have no choice" and the like is bullshit thinking designed to excuse your choice to do something you at some level know isn't the right thing to do.

You want unlimited sex? Make yourself a real alpha, own your truth, and then accept nothing less. The women who will fit your needs will naturally be attracted to you. And you'll have all the pussy you could ever enjoy. You CAN have it all, as long as you're strong and courageous enough to decide what you want, go after it and refuse to accept anything else, or anything less. You'd be absolutely amazed what a woman will do when she trusts you enough. And the best way to gain her trust is to be openly honest, own the truth, do what you say you will and say what you will do.

[AfzalG]

nice post shanon... but what is more effective for getting pssy than pick up beside money and power tell me want to use it

[CatMan]

nice post shanon... but what is more effective for getting pssy than pick up beside money and power tell me want to use it

I'm very surprised you said these words...after the subs you've done. I've read your journal posts and have enjoyed them greatly. After those subs, you really shouldn't have those views anymore. It should be abundantly clear to you by now that "money and power" aren't final words in attraction. Which leads me to believe maybe they need reruns. First, the statement may be somewhat insulting to women as you're essentially calling them prostitutes. I know women are naturally predisposed towards security, and nowadays that's considered to be money/power, but I don't think they were meant in that context. Due to the choice of words, the "getting *****". Second, that statement implies that every famous, powerful, or rich guy has no problems attracting women. Which if you take a look at all the guys in Hollywood or in politics or in business etc. not all of them are exactly "sex magnets", to coin a phrase haha.

I feel alot of guys throwout the "chicks only want rich, douchebag badboys with power" as a copout because they don't get the success with women they wish for. Then they look to blame external so they can feel better, and not have to put in the work to change because they claim they aren't the reason for the problem. Remember my example, if that statement was true, you wouldn't see lonely millionaire execs or athletes giving in to drugs or alcohol or prostitutes to ease the pain of loneliness, politicians/stars involved in divorces, being cheated on etc. Also, the statement implies that anyone who does not have power over others, or does not have a ton of money, is inherently incapable of generating female attraction. Which is also nonsense if you look around you in society. You don't need to be a millionaire to get attraction from women, if so, most men would be alone! So looking at it logically, the whole "money and power means no women problems" isn't factual.

To be even more real with you, I'm an entrepreneur, I have power over my own company, I'm successful, but yet I've never even had a date or kissed a girl ffs. No girlfriend yet or sex yet obviously. I've had issues with sex and women my whole life and it's been dumbfounding as to why. I'm an extrovert, decent looking guy in good shape, great social personality, charismatic as most entrepreneurs are that are successful. Nobody believes this has happened to me as most believe as you do, that successful guys just have mountains of hot young girls automatically dying to go to bed with them. It's not true at all. So the money and power argument is debunked by me personally. I'm telling you, it isn't enough and it's a pipedream. Developing yourself to be attractive WITHOUT external sources like money and power is the key. That's all external crap, not needed for attraction. With the subs I've used, and my mones, I'm finally turning the corner with female attraction. And I've NEVER used my "money or power" to do so.

I hope you can understand better now, friend!

[QuantumEnthusiast]

yeah this might be true shanon buts the gender war cannot be stopped you can only choose on which side you want to be

That is false, and based on faulty thinking. The gender war can be "won" by the same means as you would eradicate hate. Hate perpetuates hate, so STOP HATING! This back and forth "women hurt/used me, so I'm going to hurt/use them!" begetting "men hurt/used me so I'm going to hurt/use them!" begetting "women hurt/used me, so I'm going to hurt/use them!" is a never ending carousel of stupidity. You know how you stop a war? You outgrow the thinking that started and perpetuated it. And this one will eventually end, if the species does not eradicate itself first, when people understand that just because you are not me does not mean that you have no value or feelings. By your logic, there would never have been an end to the very first war that was ever fought by humans.

and pick up works only for poeple who are good in it and does only harm beginners....

Who, then, got to be good at it without ever being a beginner? Pickup harms the beliefs of the person learning it by teaching them to believe things that are not true ("people only have value for what you can get from them", "women are only worth knowing if you get to **** them", "I can disregard the emotions of a person if I get what I want from them, because their only value is in their sex organs and it doesn't matter if I use them for sex and then walk away", "they and their emotions don't matter", "sex is the only valid goal in life", "it does no harm to a person to be used for sex" and "it does no self harm to use others for sex" being some prime examples)

Women by nature feel in connection with sex. They associate it with emotions and emotional bonding. Those who don't are damaged. So with men, but our society has so brainwashed both genders to believe that men have, and should have, no emotions or emotional value or response, that men consistently self damage by having sex carelessly. And they're so in denial because they've so bought the ***** line about having no emotions or not being allowed to express or accept their own emotions that they self repress to the point of not even seeing the damage they do to themselves by having sex carelessly.

Sex for fun is great, and you can do it safely once in a while, but if she's got to be manipulated into doing it, she was resisting more than likely to defend her emotions from the damage they will suffer if she has sex without regard to them. Like you want her to do.

pick up wont get you love or a girlfriend thats very unlikely to happen pick up will make you good at gettin laid thats it many guys dont understand this... pick up will change you and possible make you unable to love a women or be satisfied with only one women...

If you make "getting laid" your primary goal, you end up with a lot of time spent acting like an animal. No benefit to it but the moment of orgasm, and maybe the street cred you get from others like yourself for being good at manipulating others into having sex with you when they would not have otherwise. It's an empty, valueless activity. Getting laid to get laid is just acting like an animal. It is the primal expression of the genes with no real value, because the results are what? A moment of orgasm? Bragging rights? An STD or a baby? Sex has value as a way of reproducing, and a way of sharing intimacy and bonding emotionally to make a relationship stronger. Otherwise, you're just fooling yourself thinking that having nailed that "10" made any positive difference or mattered at all.

I'm not saying that every time you have sex it has to be the grand end all, be all. I am saying that having your life's goal be to get pussy is a shallow, useless, time wasting goal, taken by itself. It doesn't get you anywhere. It doesn't get you anything. So you ***** a lot of women, so what? So you bedded a lot of "hot girls", so what? At the end of the day, what have you accomplished that you could not have accomplished with your own hands, if the whole point is just ejaculating? Nothing. Instead you've wasted your time and money, and you have nothing of real value to show for it.

You cannot use people for sex alone and really enjoy yourself. Or your life. Or them. And that activity only breeds people who are more and more damaged, cautious, difficult to get, wary, and resentful of the gender who did it because various members of that gender were good enough at manipulation to get them to let their guard down long enough to get used and tossed asside. Then they learn to be wary, harder to get, and they start following the same training you are reading trying to get up on how you did what you did, so they can defend their emotions from you. And then someone has to invent some new technique, and the cycle begins anew.

In the end, you get what out of this? Not a damned thing. Unless maybe you landed yourself an STD or three and maybe a kid.

Sex for fun is great, for an occasional thing. But humans need more than NSA sex.

I have been in your shoes. I did the whole "anything for some pussy" thing. I also know that the best way to get to sex is not PUA.

look at the real pua masters they have no girlfirend or women at all so choose wisley which way you will go...

You mean they've bought their own BS so much and self damaged so much that they're typically incapable of understanding, appreciating or achieving anything but sex only.

if i knew this years ago i wouldnt probably learn pick up but now i have to go this way...

Because you're not getting a new chance to make new choices and decisions, every second of every day. Because someone else is controlling your mind, and you're helpless. Right?

Every single second of every day, you can make hatever choices you want to make, and telling yourself otherwise is a cop out that enables you to have an excuse to do something other than what you know is right. Otherwise you wouldn't have to make up lies to yourself such as, "I don't have any choice in the matter."

If you want to do PUA, do PUA. But own your choice. If you disagree, disagree. But own your choice. And understand that you make your choices, and giving away your power with "I can't," and "I have no choice" and the like is ***** thinking designed to excuse your choice to do something you at some level know isn't the right thing to do.

You want unlimited sex? Make yourself a real alpha, own your truth, and then accept nothing less. The women who will fit your needs will naturally be attracted to you. And you'll have all the pussy you could ever enjoy. You CAN have it all, as long as you're strong and courageous enough to decide what you want, go after it and refuse to accept anything else, or anything less. You'd be absolutely amazed what a woman will do when she trusts you enough. And the best way to gain her trust is to be openly honest, own the truth, do what you say you will and say what you will do.

nice post shanon... but what is more effective for getting pssy than pick up beside money and power tell me want to use it

I'm very surprised you said these words...after the subs you've done. I've read your journal posts and have enjoyed them greatly. After those subs, you really shouldn't have those views anymore. It should be abundantly clear to you by now that "money and power" aren't final words in attraction. Which leads me to believe maybe they need reruns. First, the statement may be somewhat insulting to women as you're essentially calling them prostitutes. I know women are naturally predisposed towards security, and nowadays that's considered to be money/power, but I don't think they were meant in that context. Due to the choice of words, the "getting *****". Second, that statement implies that every famous, powerful, or rich guy has no problems attracting women. Which if you take a look at all the guys in Hollywood or in politics or in business etc. not all of them are exactly "sex magnets", to coin a phrase haha.

I feel alot of guys throwout the "chicks only want rich, douchebag badboys with power" as a copout because they don't get the success with women they wish for. Then they look to blame external so they can feel better, and not have to put in the work to change because they claim they aren't the reason for the problem. Remember my example, if that statement was true, you wouldn't see lonely millionaire execs or athletes giving in to drugs or alcohol or prostitutes to ease the pain of loneliness, politicians/stars involved in divorces, being cheated on etc. Also, the statement implies that anyone who does not have power over others, or does not have a ton of money, is inherently incapable of generating female attraction. Which is also nonsense if you look around you in society. You don't need to be a millionaire to get attraction from women, if so, most men would be alone! So looking at it logically, the whole "money and power means no women problems" isn't factual.

To be even more real with you, I'm an entrepreneur, I have power over my own company, I'm successful, but yet I've never even had a date or kissed a girl ffs. No girlfriend yet or sex yet obviously. I've had issues with sex and women my whole life and it's been dumbfounding as to why. I'm an extrovert, decent looking guy in good shape, great social personality, charismatic as most entrepreneurs are that are successful. Nobody believes this has happened to me as most believe as you do, that successful guys just have mountains of hot young girls automatically dying to go to bed with them. It's not true at all. So the money and power argument is debunked by me personally. I'm telling you, it isn't enough and it's a pipedream. Developing yourself to be attractive WITHOUT external sources like money and power is the key. That's all external crap, not needed for attraction. With the subs I've used, and my mones, I'm finally turning the corner with female attraction. And I've NEVER used my "money or power" to do so.

I hope you can understand better now, friend!

Wow brilliantly put. I see that this is a very personal topic to you Shannon and it was amazing and wonderful of you to share it. I most definitely agree with all of that. Great post!

Same goes for you CatMan. There is a lot of great insights in both of your posts. Thanks a lot for sharing all that! If you don't mind me asking, what do you think is helping you turn it around and improve with attraction? What qualities and such, in your point of view?

[CatMan]

Wow brilliantly put. I see that this is a very personal topic to you Shannon and it was amazing and wonderful of you to share it. I most definitely agree with all of that. Great post!

Same goes for you CatMan. There is a lot of great insights in both of your posts. Thanks a lot for sharing all that! If you don't mind me asking, what do you think is helping you turn it around and improve with attraction? What qualities and such, in your point of view?

Hi there, and thank you.

As I said in my post, it's down to my subs and my mones. PUA made me spend thousands of dollars, and it didn't work. I always felt it was surface level nonsense that wouldn't really allow a true, lasting connection. I also felt it was more focused on short term dehumanised hookups and used bandaids and overcompensations for deeper problems in a man, deceptive practises or even outright lies to tell women. It seemed fake, orchestrated, and would be detected by a woman as disingenious and cartoonish. I also found a lot of the coaches I worked with, most of the high end names in the industry most people know, on a one on one private coaching basis since I could afford it...to be shallow, and have low levels of confidence when I'd test them. Even having a simple joke about them to see if they can self-deprecate a bit to show me they're healthy and confident enough to vibe with me, would make them whiney and childishly mad at me. I discovered each surprisingly had terribly low confidence...so this endless pursuit of women by them is no doubt IMO, a result of massive neediness, and serious need of external validation, of course also that they can make a business out of it now. In my experiences, I've determined they're nothing but paper tigers...subs and mones have made the change for me.

In about 3 days, I start SM3. The changes will be even more incredible! I've waited my whole life to make these changes...SM3 will be an amazing journey!

[AfzalG]

didnt say there is no other method beside money and power just saying its the fastest way

if you cant attract women with money and power than something is really wrong with you ...