The real reason why subliminals aren’t working for some people

[Cozy]

On the contrary I think your talents are being wasted on DMSI. 

There’s a great set of books by an author called Esther Vilar called ‘the manipulated man’ and ‘the polygamous sex’ that basically outline how girls will deliberately suppress their desires (unlike men) from an early age in order to force men into a one-sided sexual dependency and maintain control and power over them, and they’ve been doing this since the beginning of history. Yes there’s a sex drive in everyone, but there’s also a survival drive that’s much stronger, and guys have had way easier for too long.

My point is that you’re trying to not only overcome this guys resistance but also the resistance of any other beautiful girl who’s already decided she’d rather keep a guy on a leash than have one night stands irresponsibly, which is also reinforced by centuries of conditioned societal accepted norms.

Maybe it’s possible but at what cost, full on mind control?

Back when DMSI was just about an aura it made sense, but now it seems like, with all due respect, you’re fighting against  fundamental laws of nature.

That argument rests on a large simplification, namely that all men are involuntarily bound to be controlled by their sexual desires. Shannon has long time ago when developing AM realized that this is a huge factor on becoming a self-sufficient man, to no longer be ruled by the primal instincts, but instead achieve mastery over yourself. This in turn is what makes women crazy over the Alpha Male, as he can't be controlled by them. 

You have a point that this is generally how people work, and it's kind of depressing that the relationship is so much coloured by manipulation and the fight for control and power, but it's not insurmountable. And if a man can overcome and master his sexual desires, I believe a man can develop the sexual presence that make women trow all their ideas of "keeping their power" as it's just simply a to good deal to pass on, sleeping with this man. Just as the character Don Corleone said - "I'm going to give him (her) an offer that he (she) can't refuse" - maybe not by the threat of violence, but that potential emotional experience (and we know women are not reluctant to go for those) that being with a irresistible (hence the name) man can give them.

The same can be achieved with alcohol.

[Cozy]

On the contrary I think your talents are being wasted on DMSI. 

There’s a great set of books by an author called Esther Vilar called ‘the manipulated man’ and ‘the polygamous sex’ that basically outline how girls will deliberately suppress their desires (unlike men) from an early age in order to force men into a one-sided sexual dependency and maintain control and power over them, and they’ve been doing this since the beginning of history. Yes there’s a sex drive in everyone, but there’s also a survival drive that’s much stronger, and guys have had way easier for too long.

My point is that you’re trying to not only overcome this guys resistance but also the resistance of any other beautiful girl who’s already decided she’d rather keep a guy on a leash than have one night stands irresponsibly, which is also reinforced by centuries of conditioned societal accepted norms.

Maybe it’s possible but at what cost, full on mind control?

Back when DMSI was just about an aura it made sense, but now it seems like, with all due respect, you’re fighting against  fundamental laws of nature.

That argument rests on a large simplification, namely that all men are involuntarily bound to be controlled by their sexual desires. Shannon has long time ago when developing AM realized that this is a huge factor on becoming a self-sufficient man, to no longer be ruled by the primal instincts, but instead achieve mastery over yourself. This in turn is what makes women crazy over the Alpha Male, as he can't be controlled by them. 

You have a point that this is generally how people work, and it's kind of depressing that the relationship is so much coloured by manipulation and the fight for control and power, but it's not insurmountable. And if a man can overcome and master his sexual desires, I believe a man can develop the sexual presence that make women trow all their ideas of "keeping their power" as it's just simply a to good deal to pass on, sleeping with this man. Just as the character Don Corleone said - "I'm going to give him (her) an offer that he (she) can't refuse" - maybe not by the threat of violence, but that potential emotional experience (and we know women are not reluctant to go for those) that being with a irresistible (hence the name) man can give them.

I believe if a man don't need but desire sex, women, power, relationships, friend.. that is what turns them on, not only women but every people around them. this is what alpha males do.

No needing to say, manipulation is not even on the table, who uses AM and obtain results, will know exactly when and how is happening a manipulation, it is really obvious when you realize once.

Finding an AYP makes much more sense to me. Changing yourself to meet someone else’s standards definitely sounds like manipulation to me. If you desire these things that’s great, if you’re pretending to desire these things to turn women on, you’re most likely being manipulated. What’s more important? Your personal freedom or praise from women? Wouldn’t you rather be your own man instead of someone else’s subjective opinion of what is a man. Or maybe just a tool that’s more like a second father than a romantic partner.   Which side of the coin would we rather fall on guys.

[tolgaocal80]

I guess, this is old "I will not change for anyone" attitude, If I am open are vulnerable to manipulation I have to change myself for myself not for anyone else.

What will happen do you think if you find your AYP, believe me if she finds out that she can manipulate and use you (I also read Manipulated Men) she definitely will do it, at least she will not interested in you after a few days.
My point wasn't to change to attract women, you become a better man, a self-controlled, non-manipulable man, than this will make an attractive guy.
Finding an AYP or using DMSI is good to find hot women but, I rather prefer to handle those women before attracting them to me, because I attracted a few women who were very attractive and seems to into me, but after they found out that I wasn't the guy they were imagined, they just disappointed and disappeared.

everybody here is trying to be best version of themselves isn't?

Shannon has long time ago when developing AM realized that this is a huge factor on becoming a self-sufficient man, to no longer be ruled by the primal instincts, but instead achieve mastery over yourself. This in turn is what makes women crazy over the Alpha Male, as he can't be controlled by them.

I agree that

[Cozy]

I guess, this is old "I will not change for anyone" attitude, If I am open are vulnerable  to manipulation I have to change myself for myself not for anyone else.

What will happen do you think if you find your AYP, believe me if she finds out that she can manipulate and use you (I also read Manipulated Men)  she definitely will do it, at least she will not interested in you after a few days.
My point wasn't to change to attract women, you become a better man, a self-controlled, non-manipulable  man, than this will make an attractive guy.
Finding an AYP or using DMSI is good to find hot women but, I rather prefer to handle those women before attracting them to me, because I attracted a few women who were very attractive and seems to into me, but after they found out that I wasn't the guy they were imagined, they just disappointed and disappeared.

everybody here is trying to be best version of themselves isn't?

Shannon has long time ago when developing AM realized that this is a huge factor on becoming a self-sufficient man, to no longer be ruled by the primal instincts, but instead achieve mastery over yourself. This in turn is what makes women crazy over the Alpha Male, as he can't be controlled by them.

I agree that

What I love about AYP is that even if it doesn’t last long, it attracts the exact relationship that you need to help you grow at that time. You should try it, I find it to be much more progressive than trying to be something you’re not.

[RTBoss]

Why are you here now? You've been a member since 2014, you don't have many posts, and you start a thread bashing new technology?

I started running OFv3 almost 6 months ago. A month in, I was driving along when my car caught fire. The fire was so intense, it melted my steering and brake lines. At 30 MPH, I opened my driver's side door, got 2nd degree burns from ankle to thigh, and jumped. Road rash on my lower back. To this day, I still have to see a chiropractor weekly to not be miserable from thoracic/lumbar muscular pain while sleeping.

That said, I didn't feel fear. I noted the seriousness of the situation, and did what I had to - to survive. I don't know if the situation would have played out differently if I'd never run a sub in my life....but I'll say this - I credit Shannon and running OFv3 for saving my life. I already loved that man before the accident (no homo, lol), and I'm forever grateful. I'm still here to be a husband and father, and the gift of life is never something I'll take for granted.

It's been stated MANY times before that the development of DMSI was chosen to advance 6G development. It's a lofty goal to achieve for the masses. I've used DMSI (with the exception of the latest iteration) since AOSI (V1). It's accomplished amazing things - different things from different versions - that long-ago convinced me of what's possible. I used the 4G Aura of Sexiness and BIATWS. They didn't do anything for me, save an interested glance. DMSI has always been much more.

What 5.5G+ subliminals have you used? Where are your journals, so we can read about your experiences?

[Johannesbrst]

I guess, this is old "I will not change for anyone" attitude, If I am open are vulnerable  to manipulation I have to change myself for myself not for anyone else.

What will happen do you think if you find your AYP, believe me if she finds out that she can manipulate and use you (I also read Manipulated Men)  she definitely will do it, at least she will not interested in you after a few days.
My point wasn't to change to attract women, you become a better man, a self-controlled, non-manipulable  man, than this will make an attractive guy.
Finding an AYP or using DMSI is good to find hot women but, I rather prefer to handle those women before attracting them to me, because I attracted a few women who were very attractive and seems to into me, but after they found out that I wasn't the guy they were imagined, they just disappointed and disappeared.

everybody here is trying to be best version of themselves isn't?

Shannon has long time ago when developing AM realized that this is a huge factor on becoming a self-sufficient man, to no longer be ruled by the primal instincts, but instead achieve mastery over yourself. This in turn is what makes women crazy over the Alpha Male, as he can't be controlled by them.

I agree that

What I love about AYP is that even if it doesn’t last long, it attracts the exact relationship that you need to help you grow at that time. You should try it, I find it to be much more progressive than trying to be something you’re not.

Who said anything about changing to please someone else? AM is about finding out your own standards and staying true to those. That's what makes you attractive, and that's a side effect, not a primary goal. 

And about being someone who you aren't - finding your own standards and learning to abide to them is arguably being more honest to yourself and who you really are, rather than being invested in what makes other people want to be with you (in other words being needy, which AM help you overcome).

[Benjamin]

Cozy it's difficult to see this post as genuine. Due partly to your past behaviour making it seem like you just decided to pop up out of nowhere to stir something up.

First you are very obviously projecting your own insecurities and issues with women and attempting to somehow frame that as something to do with DMSI.

'Women don't have 1 night stands'. Hmm..

And this one takes the cake completely.. that i'm struggling to interpret as your response makes little sense.

Johannesbrst Wrote:

That argument rests on a large simplification, namely that all men are involuntarily bound to be controlled by their sexual desires. Shannon has long time ago when developing AM realized that this is a huge factor on becoming a self-sufficient man, to no longer be ruled by the primal instincts, but instead achieve mastery over yourself. This in turn is what makes women crazy over the Alpha Male, as he can't be controlled by them.

And you replied..

The same can be achieved with alcohol.

Are you suggesting that instead of AM just throw that away and get incredibly drunk? If you are I just shake my head.

Or are you saying that women can be made crazy over a man and get their inhibitions lowered by getting them drunk.

Sounds not only totally groundbreaking but also incredibly manipulative!

But the most obvious part was pointed out by RTBoss who hit the nail on the head and you disappeared after that.

You do not own DMSI. You do not own any 5.5/5.75g program. Your purchase history suggests you have not ever used anything past 5g.

So what are you basing all this on and what is the REAL issue?

[Cozy]

Hi

Cozy it's difficult to see this post as genuine. Due partly to your past behaviour making it seem like you just decided to pop up out of nowhere to stir something up.

First you are very obviously projecting your own insecurities and issues with women and attempting to somehow frame that as something to do with DMSI.

'Women don't have 1 night stands'. Hmm..

And this one takes the cake completely.. that i'm struggling to interpret as your response makes little sense.

Johannesbrst Wrote:

That argument rests on a large simplification, namely that all men are involuntarily bound to be controlled by their sexual desires. Shannon has long time ago when developing AM realized that this is a huge factor on becoming a self-sufficient man, to no longer be ruled by the primal instincts, but instead achieve mastery over yourself. This in turn is what makes women crazy over the Alpha Male, as he can't be controlled by them.

And you replied..

The same can be achieved with alcohol.

Are you suggesting that instead of AM just throw that away and get incredibly drunk? If you are I just shake my head.

Or are you saying that women can be made crazy over a man and get their inhibitions lowered by getting them drunk.

Sounds not only totally groundbreaking but also incredibly manipulative!

But the most obvious part was pointed out by RTBoss who hit the nail on the head and you disappeared after that.

You do not own DMSI. You do not own any 5.5/5.75g program. Your purchase history suggests you have not ever used anything past 5g.

So what are you basing all this on and what is the REAL issue?

You don’t have to hate me Ben, remember that we can’t make progress until our fundamental beliefs are challenged. Using personal attacks instead of reasoned arguments is definitely a red flag, you don’t have to agree with me and you can certainly censor my opinion as I’m sure you have with many others. I don’t mind that, so go ahead.

[Shannon]

Hi

Cozy it's difficult to see this post as genuine. Due partly to your past behaviour making it seem like you just decided to pop up out of nowhere to stir something up.

First you are very obviously projecting your own insecurities and issues with women and attempting to somehow frame that as something to do with DMSI.

'Women don't have 1 night stands'. Hmm..

And this one takes the cake completely.. that i'm struggling to interpret as your response makes little sense.

Johannesbrst Wrote:

That argument rests on a large simplification, namely that all men are involuntarily bound to be controlled by their sexual desires. Shannon has long time ago when developing AM realized that this is a huge factor on becoming a self-sufficient man, to no longer be ruled by the primal instincts, but instead achieve mastery over yourself. This in turn is what makes women crazy over the Alpha Male, as he can't be controlled by them.

And you replied..

The same can be achieved with alcohol.

Are you suggesting that instead of AM just throw that away and get incredibly drunk? If you are I just shake my head.

Or are you saying that women can be made crazy over a man and get their inhibitions lowered by getting them drunk.

Sounds not only totally groundbreaking but also incredibly manipulative!

But the most obvious part was pointed out by RTBoss who hit the nail on the head and you disappeared after that.

You do not own DMSI. You do not own any 5.5/5.75g program. Your purchase history suggests you have not ever used anything past 5g.

So what are you basing all this on and what is the REAL issue?

You don’t have to hate me Ben, remember that we can’t make progress until our fundamental beliefs are challenged. Using personal attacks instead of reasoned arguments is definitely a red flag, you don’t have to agree with me and you can certainly censor my opinion as I’m sure you have with many others. I don’t mind that, so go ahead.

Cozy, the problem here is that you're not here to make a positive difference.  You're here to troll, waste people's time and energy and stir up shit, as far as I can tell.  Then when people get upset, you ignore the arguments they make, change to goal posts and make new distractions and attacks to keep them off guard.  Here, you're essentially accusing Ben of what you're doing to distract from the things you're doing, and so that it will look bad if Ben bans you, and it will look bad if he doesn't. 

Since the pattern is clearly that of a troll, and I have it on good authority that you have not purchased the program types you're attacking, and you have done this sort of thing before, I have concluded that you've earned yourself a ban.  I don't have time to waste on these games.  Goodbye.

[Benjamin]

As I suspected when I pointed out what you were doing Cozy you then revealed yourself and confirmed what I was saying is correct.

And what Shannon pointed out was the same thing I would have replied.. trying to accuse me of the very thing you were doing when I challenged what you were coming out with.

You obviously werent doing this to give 'constructive criticism' but to attempt to get this very outcome.. well great you got it.