(11-30-2016, 09:04 PM)Rayhon Wrote:

(11-30-2016, 08:33 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(11-30-2016, 08:23 PM)RoaringLion Wrote: So when will we be able to download version A? I'm abit confused now. Please answer with an estimated time for example "10 hours from now"

Thank you

When I release it. Have not decided whether to release A and then B, or both at once.

which version has the healing in it? I can't find the original thread or post that says which version is which.

(11-30-2016, 08:28 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(11-30-2016, 08:11 PM)Dutchman610 Wrote:

(11-30-2016, 06:16 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(11-30-2016, 06:01 PM)CatMan Wrote: Hi Shannon,

I see V3.0.1-A is uploading? Wonderful, we will have it soon, very exciting.

I'm thinking of getting Stop Smoking for a friend who needs to quit and wants to badly. But, I had to ask, I remember you saying that program needs to be rebuild and you seemed to be unsatisfied with it. Is that accurate? Is it working well or are you feeling it needs work still?

Stop Smoking is currently in a single stage format. Originally it was a six stage format.

Six stage format worked because it stepped you up gradually. But nobody wanted to buy it because it was $500 a copy.

When I rebuilt it, it was a single stage, for $89.95, but trying to do all that at once isn't working anywhere near as well as before.

Anything is better than nothing, especially if they use it 6 months straight. It still works for some. But it's better in 6 stage format. That's what I have to re-build. That and the latest technological wizardry.

O
I'm wondering why quit smoking, takes a six stage approach to be effective. But, quit alcohol is a single stage? Is one a deep addiction than the other, or is quit alcohol meant to be a six stage also.

First of all, despite popular mythology, alcoholism isn't an addiction and it sure as hell isn't any type of "disease". They'd love to make you think it is, because then you don't have to take responsibility for not buying, opening and drinking it... so someone can make money or have control of you on some sort of "recovery" regimen.

The truth is, alcoholism is self medication, just like smoking, and marijuana and most other drugs, but alcohol isn't physically addictive. It's psychologically very addictive to certain personality and physiology types, though, because they find an easy escape in it.

Stop smoking works best as a six stage approach because there's a lot of different variables to dealing with it than alcoholism. And at some point, "science" will figure that out.

Until then... alcoholism is a choice, but the physical addiction does not exist. The root cause of alcoholism is the seeking to escape guilt, shame, fear and/or self loathing through the effects of alcohol on the brain. The "addiction" is really just a heightened psychological tendency to escapism, and it is enabled and empowered by the "addiction" and "disease" labels. Give that same person a way to deal with whatever they're dealing with through alcohol in another way, deny them their drug of choice, and they'll go straight to that new option because they're still trying to escape, rather than deal with it.

A lot of it has to do with the person's level of emotional maturity. More maturity leads to more likely "recovery" (which is itself a ***** term used to retroactively imply "disease and addiction"). I have witnessed "alcoholics" at all stages of "alcoholism" for decades now, and the ones who keep doing it are the ones who believe they can get away with it, or believe they have no other choice. The rest sober up and move on with life.

In this regard, just as with smoking, it is the beliefs that bind you. Beliefs that you have no other choice, beliefs that you have no need to grow up and take responsibility for your choices and actions because someone else will do it for you, or forgive you, or pat you on the head.

Smoking has a lot of the same thing, and is vastly more socially acceptable. It actually is a legitimate addiction, albeit a much more minor one than people think.

But the real difference between why those two programs are different sizes boils down to two things.

1. Stop Drinking got very good feedback in one stage, and Stop Smoking did not;
2. The people prone to alcoholism have a different physiology and psychology than those who are prone to smoking, but not alcoholism. Different approaches are required for each.

It is going to be that both programs will be rebuilt in 6G. They may be 1, 3 or 6 stages each, it will depend on whatever works best.

(11-30-2016, 09:31 PM)robstar Wrote:

(11-30-2016, 08:28 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(11-30-2016, 08:11 PM)Dutchman610 Wrote:

(11-30-2016, 06:16 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(11-30-2016, 06:01 PM)CatMan Wrote: Hi Shannon,

I see V3.0.1-A is uploading? Wonderful, we will have it soon, very exciting.

I'm thinking of getting Stop Smoking for a friend who needs to quit and wants to badly. But, I had to ask, I remember you saying that program needs to be rebuild and you seemed to be unsatisfied with it. Is that accurate? Is it working well or are you feeling it needs work still?

Stop Smoking is currently in a single stage format. Originally it was a six stage format.

Six stage format worked because it stepped you up gradually. But nobody wanted to buy it because it was $500 a copy.

When I rebuilt it, it was a single stage, for $89.95, but trying to do all that at once isn't working anywhere near as well as before.

Anything is better than nothing, especially if they use it 6 months straight. It still works for some. But it's better in 6 stage format. That's what I have to re-build. That and the latest technological wizardry.

O
I'm wondering why quit smoking, takes a six stage approach to be effective. But, quit alcohol is a single stage? Is one a deep addiction than the other, or is quit alcohol meant to be a six stage also.

First of all, despite popular mythology, alcoholism isn't an addiction and it sure as hell isn't any type of "disease". They'd love to make you think it is, because then you don't have to take responsibility for not buying, opening and drinking it... so someone can make money or have control of you on some sort of "recovery" regimen.

The truth is, alcoholism is self medication, just like smoking, and marijuana and most other drugs, but alcohol isn't physically addictive. It's psychologically very addictive to certain personality and physiology types, though, because they find an easy escape in it.

Stop smoking works best as a six stage approach because there's a lot of different variables to dealing with it than alcoholism. And at some point, "science" will figure that out.

Until then... alcoholism is a choice, but the physical addiction does not exist. The root cause of alcoholism is the seeking to escape guilt, shame, fear and/or self loathing through the effects of alcohol on the brain. The "addiction" is really just a heightened psychological tendency to escapism, and it is enabled and empowered by the "addiction" and "disease" labels. Give that same person a way to deal with whatever they're dealing with through alcohol in another way, deny them their drug of choice, and they'll go straight to that new option because they're still trying to escape, rather than deal with it.

A lot of it has to do with the person's level of emotional maturity. More maturity leads to more likely "recovery" (which is itself a ***** term used to retroactively imply "disease and addiction"). I have witnessed "alcoholics" at all stages of "alcoholism" for decades now, and the ones who keep doing it are the ones who believe they can get away with it, or believe they have no other choice. The rest sober up and move on with life.

In this regard, just as with smoking, it is the beliefs that bind you. Beliefs that you have no other choice, beliefs that you have no need to grow up and take responsibility for your choices and actions because someone else will do it for you, or forgive you, or pat you on the head.

Smoking has a lot of the same thing, and is vastly more socially acceptable. It actually is a legitimate addiction, albeit a much more minor one than people think.

But the real difference between why those two programs are different sizes boils down to two things.

1. Stop Drinking got very good feedback in one stage, and Stop Smoking did not;
2. The people prone to alcoholism have a different physiology and psychology than those who are prone to smoking, but not alcoholism. Different approaches are required for each.

It is going to be that both programs will be rebuilt in 6G. They may be 1, 3 or 6 stages each, it will depend on whatever works best.

Do you not think a "Be addiction free" sub would be possible in 6G rather than multiple different subs?

(11-30-2016, 09:35 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(11-30-2016, 09:31 PM)robstar Wrote:

(11-30-2016, 08:28 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(11-30-2016, 08:11 PM)Dutchman610 Wrote:

(11-30-2016, 06:16 PM)Shannon Wrote: Stop Smoking is currently in a single stage format. Originally it was a six stage format.

Six stage format worked because it stepped you up gradually. But nobody wanted to buy it because it was $500 a copy.

When I rebuilt it, it was a single stage, for $89.95, but trying to do all that at once isn't working anywhere near as well as before.

Anything is better than nothing, especially if they use it 6 months straight. It still works for some. But it's better in 6 stage format. That's what I have to re-build. That and the latest technological wizardry.

O
I'm wondering why quit smoking, takes a six stage approach to be effective. But, quit alcohol is a single stage? Is one a deep addiction than the other, or is quit alcohol meant to be a six stage also.

First of all, despite popular mythology, alcoholism isn't an addiction and it sure as hell isn't any type of "disease". They'd love to make you think it is, because then you don't have to take responsibility for not buying, opening and drinking it... so someone can make money or have control of you on some sort of "recovery" regimen.

The truth is, alcoholism is self medication, just like smoking, and marijuana and most other drugs, but alcohol isn't physically addictive. It's psychologically very addictive to certain personality and physiology types, though, because they find an easy escape in it.

Stop smoking works best as a six stage approach because there's a lot of different variables to dealing with it than alcoholism. And at some point, "science" will figure that out.

Until then... alcoholism is a choice, but the physical addiction does not exist. The root cause of alcoholism is the seeking to escape guilt, shame, fear and/or self loathing through the effects of alcohol on the brain. The "addiction" is really just a heightened psychological tendency to escapism, and it is enabled and empowered by the "addiction" and "disease" labels. Give that same person a way to deal with whatever they're dealing with through alcohol in another way, deny them their drug of choice, and they'll go straight to that new option because they're still trying to escape, rather than deal with it.

A lot of it has to do with the person's level of emotional maturity. More maturity leads to more likely "recovery" (which is itself a ***** term used to retroactively imply "disease and addiction"). I have witnessed "alcoholics" at all stages of "alcoholism" for decades now, and the ones who keep doing it are the ones who believe they can get away with it, or believe they have no other choice. The rest sober up and move on with life.

In this regard, just as with smoking, it is the beliefs that bind you. Beliefs that you have no other choice, beliefs that you have no need to grow up and take responsibility for your choices and actions because someone else will do it for you, or forgive you, or pat you on the head.

Smoking has a lot of the same thing, and is vastly more socially acceptable. It actually is a legitimate addiction, albeit a much more minor one than people think.

But the real difference between why those two programs are different sizes boils down to two things.

1. Stop Drinking got very good feedback in one stage, and Stop Smoking did not;
2. The people prone to alcoholism have a different physiology and psychology than those who are prone to smoking, but not alcoholism. Different approaches are required for each.

It is going to be that both programs will be rebuilt in 6G. They may be 1, 3 or 6 stages each, it will depend on whatever works best.

Do you not think a "Be addiction free" sub would be possible in 6G rather than multiple different subs?

It's possible. We shall see. But since alcoholism isn't an addiction...

Quote:Unless Ben already linked it and I don't know it... but I'll be checking that in a little while when I start the upload of B.

(11-30-2016, 10:54 PM)Benjamin Wrote:

Quote:Unless Ben already linked it and I don't know it... but I'll be checking that in a little while when I start the upload of B.

Nah I haven't done the links as you hadn't asked me to yet.

(11-30-2016, 10:58 PM)wolverine_i_am Wrote:

(11-30-2016, 10:54 PM)Benjamin Wrote:

Quote:Unless Ben already linked it and I don't know it... but I'll be checking that in a little while when I start the upload of B.

Nah I haven't done the links as you hadn't asked me to yet.

How long would the new agreement declaration thing take?

lol at the impatience of getting DMSI from some users

It will be uploaded when its uploaded

In the meantime chill, go relax and kickback. Do something to take your mind of this forum and then boom it will be here before you know it.