(11-05-2016, 08:38 AM)RTBoss Wrote:

(11-05-2016, 08:35 AM)Roy Wrote:

(11-04-2016, 09:21 PM)Shannon Wrote: It's in there. May not stay in there after 3.0... it's counter to the program's goals.

Why is NSFM counter to the program's goals?

It's putting the seduction work on the user. The program's goal is to get the other person to seduce you.

That being said, I think the addition of "eye" seduction and body language that assists the other person to do all of the initiation would be good.

(11-05-2016, 02:10 PM)wolverine_i_am Wrote:

(11-05-2016, 08:38 AM)RTBoss Wrote:

(11-05-2016, 08:35 AM)Roy Wrote:

(11-04-2016, 09:21 PM)Shannon Wrote: It's in there. May not stay in there after 3.0... it's counter to the program's goals.

Why is NSFM counter to the program's goals?

It's putting the seduction work on the user. The program's goal is to get the other person to seduce you.

That being said, I think the addition of "eye" seduction and body language that assists the other person to do all of the initiation would be good.

Why not have both parties seduce each other? I'm moving forward and so is she. This is more ideal.

The people who are pushing for it to only be one way are treating this as a magic pill. Don't be lazy, guys. Learn to seduce women too.

(11-05-2016, 02:10 PM)wolverine_i_am Wrote:

(11-05-2016, 08:38 AM)RTBoss Wrote:

(11-05-2016, 08:35 AM)Roy Wrote:

(11-04-2016, 09:21 PM)Shannon Wrote: It's in there. May not stay in there after 3.0... it's counter to the program's goals.

Why is NSFM counter to the program's goals?

It's putting the seduction work on the user. The program's goal is to get the other person to seduce you.

That being said, I think the addition of "eye" seduction and body language that assists the other person to do all of the initiation would be good.

Why not have both parties seduce each other? I'm moving forward and so is she. This is more ideal.

The people who are pushing for it to only be one way are treating this as a magic pill. Don't be lazy, guys. Learn to seduce women too.

(11-05-2016, 05:08 PM)RTBoss Wrote:

(11-05-2016, 02:10 PM)wolverine_i_am Wrote:

(11-05-2016, 08:38 AM)RTBoss Wrote:

(11-05-2016, 08:35 AM)Roy Wrote:

(11-04-2016, 09:21 PM)Shannon Wrote: It's in there. May not stay in there after 3.0... it's counter to the program's goals.

Why is NSFM counter to the program's goals?

It's putting the seduction work on the user. The program's goal is to get the other person to seduce you.

That being said, I think the addition of "eye" seduction and body language that assists the other person to do all of the initiation would be good.

Why not have both parties seduce each other? I'm moving forward and so is she. This is more ideal.

The people who are pushing for it to only be one way are treating this as a magic pill. Don't be lazy, guys. Learn to seduce women too.

It's the whole point of the sub. Go run SM3 if you want what you're talking about. Until Shannon says, "It can't be done," anyone who's looking for the program goals to be achieved as stated are within their right to do so.

(11-05-2016, 04:12 PM)Dilettante Wrote:

(11-05-2016, 02:10 PM)wolverine_i_am Wrote:

(11-05-2016, 08:38 AM)RTBoss Wrote:

(11-05-2016, 08:35 AM)Roy Wrote:

(11-04-2016, 09:21 PM)Shannon Wrote: It's in there. May not stay in there after 3.0... it's counter to the program's goals.

Why is NSFM counter to the program's goals?

It's putting the seduction work on the user. The program's goal is to get the other person to seduce you.

That being said, I think the addition of "eye" seduction and body language that assists the other person to do all of the initiation would be good.

Why not have both parties seduce each other? I'm moving forward and so is she. This is more ideal.

The people who are pushing for it to only be one way are treating this as a magic pill. Don't be lazy, guys. Learn to seduce women too.

What if i learned it already it already and i dont think the return on investment is worth it?

This is bigger than sex. this can fundamentally disable feminism and crash their the gynocentric system thus liberating all western men from the misery we're all trapped in.

this is why i invested in this product, because i know it can change the world.

If shannon alters what was the original prenise of this experiment then i'm requesting a refund.
I might not get it back, but i will ask for it if it does not work or is altered from its original premise.

(11-05-2016, 06:59 PM)ncbeareatingman Wrote: I PM'ed ja but not about surgery but about natural healing solutions while utilizing Shannon's fantastic sub alike.

EDIT: For those PMing about surgery -- it's not an option. Not because I don't want to do it. Apparently, it doesn't work with the kind of pain I'm experiencing.

Quote:Let's keep DMSI focused on being pursued, not the pursuer.

(11-06-2016, 01:09 AM)Benjamin Wrote:

Quote:Let's keep DMSI focused on being pursued, not the pursuer.

I disagree with this, though I seem to be in the minority thinking this.

Despite the goal it's important to still be able to deal with the fears and stuff so you CAN talk to girls when you want and move it forward instead of being forced to be passive and wait for them to do it.

Or because of having a mentality of "they should be doing it with this program" that you're falling into. I've even seen it to the extreme of someone being like "Oh this woman come right next to me and smiled big at me but I did nothing because she's meant to do it with DMSI".

Maybe not exactly that but close.

Yes it would be cool having these attractive girls talk to me, I do get it occasionally. But I don't feel that the option to talk to them should be eliminated and it sounds like that is where some guys want it to head. Personally I don't, why not the ability for either.

As a side note, coincidentally from my experience as i've had less 'baggage' around initiating myself, for example when it just flows for me, or when some fear is cleared I actually have girls responding better and sometimes initiate with me without me having to. If you still have all the baggage and fear around initiating it also holds them back from initiating. Sounds weird I know, but i've found that's how it has worked.

Quote:Let's keep DMSI focused on being pursued, not the pursuer.

(11-06-2016, 01:09 AM)Benjamin Wrote: I disagree with this, though I seem to be in the minority thinking this.

Despite the goal it's important to still be able to deal with the fears and stuff so you CAN talk to girls when you want and move it forward instead of being forced to be passive and wait for them to do it.

Or because of having a mentality of "they should be doing it with this program" that you're falling into. I've even seen it to the extreme of someone being like "Oh this woman come right next to me and smiled big at me but I did nothing because she's meant to do it with DMSI".

Maybe not exactly that but close.

Yes it would be cool having these attractive girls talk to me, I do get it occasionally. But I don't feel that the option to talk to them should be eliminated and it sounds like that is where some guys want it to head. Personally I don't, why not the ability for either.

As a side note, coincidentally from my experience as i've had less 'baggage' around initiating myself, for example when it just flows for me, or when some fear is cleared I actually have girls responding better and sometimes initiate with me without me having to. If you still have all the baggage and fear around initiating it also holds them back from initiating. Sounds weird I know, but i've found that's how it has worked.

(11-06-2016, 01:26 AM)wolverine_i_am Wrote: Well said! I feel like it is turning into this lazy route for many users. They see a girl hovering around and looking at them. "Oh I refuse to do anything, cause the goal of DMSI is supposed to get women to make a move on me." Are you really gonna cockblock yourself? Just make things easier for the both of you. Say hi to her. She is hoping you would, so make it happen.

(11-06-2016, 03:17 AM)4Kingdoms Wrote:

Quote:Let's keep DMSI focused on being pursued, not the pursuer.

(11-06-2016, 01:09 AM)Benjamin Wrote: I disagree with this, though I seem to be in the minority thinking this.

Despite the goal it's important to still be able to deal with the fears and stuff so you CAN talk to girls when you want and move it forward instead of being forced to be passive and wait for them to do it.

Or because of having a mentality of "they should be doing it with this program" that you're falling into. I've even seen it to the extreme of someone being like "Oh this woman come right next to me and smiled big at me but I did nothing because she's meant to do it with DMSI".

Maybe not exactly that but close.

Yes it would be cool having these attractive girls talk to me, I do get it occasionally. But I don't feel that the option to talk to them should be eliminated and it sounds like that is where some guys want it to head. Personally I don't, why not the ability for either.

As a side note, coincidentally from my experience as i've had less 'baggage' around initiating myself, for example when it just flows for me, or when some fear is cleared I actually have girls responding better and sometimes initiate with me without me having to. If you still have all the baggage and fear around initiating it also holds them back from initiating. Sounds weird I know, but i've found that's how it has worked.

(11-06-2016, 01:26 AM)wolverine_i_am Wrote: Well said! I feel like it is turning into this lazy route for many users. They see a girl hovering around and looking at them. "Oh I refuse to do anything, cause the goal of DMSI is supposed to get women to make a move on me." Are you really gonna cockblock yourself? Just make things easier for the both of you. Say hi to her. She is hoping you would, so make it happen.

It's more than just 'refusing'. Sometimes there is that moment of 'awkward silence' and the guy is in his head 'overthinking things'.

I'm against OAA being in DMSI because the girl is supposed to approach you. As far as I'm concerned that part of DMSI has passed with flying colors!!

I'm all for NSFM being in DMSI, so the guy can have that 'nudge' to confidently move it to the next level. She has already approached... it's time to have a conversation. (think about it, if someone ignored you... you would walk away too)

(11-06-2016, 03:17 AM)4Kingdoms Wrote:

Quote:Let's keep DMSI focused on being pursued, not the pursuer.

(11-06-2016, 01:09 AM)Benjamin Wrote: I disagree with this, though I seem to be in the minority thinking this.

Despite the goal it's important to still be able to deal with the fears and stuff so you CAN talk to girls when you want and move it forward instead of being forced to be passive and wait for them to do it.

Or because of having a mentality of "they should be doing it with this program" that you're falling into. I've even seen it to the extreme of someone being like "Oh this woman come right next to me and smiled big at me but I did nothing because she's meant to do it with DMSI".

Maybe not exactly that but close.

Yes it would be cool having these attractive girls talk to me, I do get it occasionally. But I don't feel that the option to talk to them should be eliminated and it sounds like that is where some guys want it to head. Personally I don't, why not the ability for either.

As a side note, coincidentally from my experience as i've had less 'baggage' around initiating myself, for example when it just flows for me, or when some fear is cleared I actually have girls responding better and sometimes initiate with me without me having to. If you still have all the baggage and fear around initiating it also holds them back from initiating. Sounds weird I know, but i've found that's how it has worked.

(11-06-2016, 01:26 AM)wolverine_i_am Wrote: Well said! I feel like it is turning into this lazy route for many users. They see a girl hovering around and looking at them. "Oh I refuse to do anything, cause the goal of DMSI is supposed to get women to make a move on me." Are you really gonna cockblock yourself? Just make things easier for the both of you. Say hi to her. She is hoping you would, so make it happen.

It's more than just 'refusing'. Sometimes there is that moment of 'awkward silence' and the guy is in his head 'overthinking things'.

I'm against OAA being in DMSI because the girl is supposed to approach you. As far as I'm concerned that part of DMSI has passed with flying colors!!

I'm all for NSFM being in DMSI, so the guy can have that 'nudge' to confidently move it to the next level. She has already approached... it's time to have a conversation. (think about it, if someone ignored you... you would walk away too)