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RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion - Superman - 10-10-2015

There are probably too many risks making it so powerful it would put you out for hours. It'll most likely be tuned down for both our own safety and to protect Shannon from any legal issues if something were to happen

RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion - Shannon - 10-10-2015

6G is, as always, going to be designed based on my standard creedo: It has to be proven SAFE, USEFUL and EFFECTIVE before I will release it.

I know it's effective. I know a lot of things it would be useful for, but have not gotten that far yet. And safety, well, it now has four safeties built into it. I'm actually pretty impressed with the effectiveness of the gender limiter right now, but I'm not sure yet if it's affecting those who should not be affected by the limiter, or vice versa. Experiments have been few, and challenging to gather data from so far.

There is nothing to fear. The rapid change is not going to be instantly permanent. 6G is currently being aimed at a design that will allow rapid change in the moment, and then over time, make that change permanent. I don't know yet how long it will require, or specifically how to build it to accomplish the long term effectiveness. But if you care to consider, think of this. Rapid change of state: You're having a bad day and all of a sudden you get some great news that instantly puts you in a great mood for the rest of the day. How dangerous is that?

In effect what I am attempting to do with 6G is create the reality in the moment, and then allow the reality to form it's own base by existing. In other words, say I create ASC in 6G and it works as desired. In 20-40 minutes, you could be fully self confident. That state would not remain if you stopped using the program, it would fade out because it had not yet created the base. But by continuing the use of the program, that base is created both internally and externally by the very fact of the existence of that confidence, as well as by the continued use of the program.

All change begins as an idea, a thought. Thoughts are shaped by belief. If you believe the right things are true, confidence is no sweat. It comes forward on it's own. Over time, as that strong state of confidence becomes your normal reality, you shift yourself internally and your external reality in ways that will eventually perpetuate it without the program. Your experience begins it's own self creation by being; what is now is what you subconsciously feed yourself to create what you believe, and what you believe is then used to create your experience. That's why it's so easy to get into a rut without some sort of method for making change.

As you are confident for longer and longer, it becomes your normal reality. It causes the shift that you then believe that "It is normal and natural for me to be fully self confident." That belief then create that state, and that state then creates the experience of being self confident.

What I'm doing is shifting from one state to another. The state of being stuck in a rut of lack of confidence is shifted to being confident, and then that confidence creates its own "well worn path" so to speak. The end result should be that you must rely on the sub for a time to experience that state, but after some amount of time, it is so normalized that it becomes self generating, and you no longer need the sub for it to be true.

I have found that it is possible for people to drastically and radically shift their beliefs and their resultant reality in a very, very short time this way. You ask about fallout. Well, if the state is so comfortable for you that it happens without you ever thinking about it, and the entire experience is perfectly natural, what's to fall out? If you stop using it and the shift fades, then you naturally shift back to whatever was your previous programming, but there is no fear, and as far as I can see, no "fallout".

But we are discussing hypotheticals, because I really haven't taken the technology far enough to really study that part yet for longer term programming. I can say this, though: the prototype has trained at least two of my testers to normalize it's goal so much that they are no longer really very useful for testing. Their exposure? 1-5 hours a week. You wonder, "But how long did that take?" and the answer isn't important, because the prototype has been gaining so much in ability and effectiveness that it's almost exponential at this point. But to give you an idea, it took me a year to get one of them to even begin to act on the goal, even to admit that it was desired, and then it took me another year to get that tester to the point that instead of just admitting the goal was desired, that person now automatically and regularly acts to make the goal a reality on their own initiative, without any input from me. How long will 6G take to do that when it's finished? I don't know. But I do know that given how much power and effectiveness each prototype is gaining, it's not going to be anywhere near 2 years! Also remember, one exposure per week, of 1-5 hours a week. (Usually 1-3.)

So there's a lot of work to be done yet, but yes... 6G is really powerful. I am only developing the state shifting aspect right now, though. I need it to be able to accomplish any goal within less than an hour, and then be able to maintain that goal. For instance, imagine being able to start playing Stop Smoking Forever 6G, and then all of a sudden, no need or desire to smoke. Poof, gone. No withdrawals, no anxiety, no stress, nothing. Just being normal as an ex-smoker. That appears to be possible for 6G. The state shifting is what enables that virtually immediate shift, and the totality of it, but of course the longer term shift must depend on other factors in whole or in part. That will be developed when I have mastered the state shifting to a sufficient degree. I believe that is not far away. But 6G will take more time for me to develop, test and more fully understand. Rest assured, I won't release it without understanding it enough to be able to write instructions and know that it will work.

And CatMan, if it ever takes 12 hours a day of exposure, I'm not done yet.

RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion - THolt - 10-10-2015

I see. So after listening to 6g for a while, the goal will become self perpetuating because your reality will have instantly change. Can't wait to see what 6g is applicable to. B

RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion - Shannon - 10-10-2015

(10-10-2015, 06:02 PM)THolt Wrote: I see. So after listening to 6g for a while, the goal will become self perpetuating because your reality will have instantly change. Can't wait to see what 6g is applicable to. B

The "instant change" is not necessarily instant - it takes several minutes at least still, and it is the inducer for the change. But the long term change requires building that base still.

I am having a hard time explaining this in terms that you guys won't either take as pie in the sky or try to make into some sort of miracle.

RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion - Superman - 10-10-2015

I'm sure we will all understand once asc 6g is released

RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion - TheRealJustin - 10-10-2015

(10-10-2015, 11:54 AM)FrostedFake Wrote: If Justin's theory is accurate then this might be a possible solution: We all know how magnets require AM as a prerequisite. What if AM7 in 6g came out and this "tree without roots" thing was a problem? Make AM7 have AM6 be a prerequisite or something.
But what if this "lack of roots" theory is wrong? Justin, you're looking at a change in mental state from an external standpoint. Internal transformation is not the same as sudden change in external circumstance like winning the lottery. But idk if I'm right either because I haven't experienced 6g first hand or even seen someone else use it.
I think you're missing out by not using 5g and probably dismissing good titles prematurely. Though if you've got your shit handled and just want some f*ckin' money then who am I to judge Wink

P.S I like the way AM7 looks in text, it looks sexy Wink

Yea, I'm not saying I'm right or wrong, was only saying what was on my mind at the moment when I heard 30 minutes to get results.

Maybe I'll try 6g when it comes out, maybe not I have no clue but I'm going to have fun reading the journals either way.

I'm sure I am missing out on not using a 5g title but right now there's not any 5g titles I want to use as badly as I want to use BASE 3g because that sub is 100% what I want right now. The script is PERFECT for me, especially for where I'm at in life right now.

I'd use base5g but I have used TLAM and had a really bad reaction to it (one of the first subs I ever used) and also positive thinking, that sub made me feel messed up inside unless I drank and I was drinking every single day on that sub and once I stopped the sub I was able to stop drinking, so I don't blame the subs in any way but my mind reacted badly to them and they are both in base 5g, and then quit drugs and drinking forever is in there and right now I don't want to permanently quit drinking, but I could go forever without pot, but I smoke it sometimes. It's just something I'd want to quit on my own if I ever decide to, and then balance your brain hemispheres, I don't know enough about that to want my brain hemispheres balanced. I think if they aren't balanced there's probably a reason behind it, but there's no way for me to ever know so that makes me iffy.

I've probably said this a lot, but these subs have a HUGE affect on me so I'm pretty cautious about what I'm putting into my brain.

Once I'm done with BASE 3g/4g I may try AM6, or see if there's any new 5g subs to try out, but for now, I'm 27 living with my mom, I need to get my financial situation straight. I for sure want to be financially independent before using AM6, I also want to try out Woman Magnet.

But yea anyways I'm not against 6g or anything like that, I'm just not going to be one of the first to try it lol.

RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion - apollolux - 10-10-2015

(10-10-2015, 05:39 PM)Shannon Wrote: In effect what I am attempting to do with 6G is create the reality in the moment, and then allow the reality to form it's own base by existing. In other words, say I create ASC in 6G and it works as desired. In 20-40 minutes, you could be fully self confident. That state would not remain if you stopped using the program, it would fade out because it had not yet created the base. But by continuing the use of the program, that base is created both internally and externally by the very fact of the existence of that confidence, as well as by the continued use of the program.

Have you considered the possibility that such a change could potentially have an inverse effect? Rather, like cocaine the first "hit" nearly immediately triggers a dopamine response, but then the more you use the more of a "tolerance" the body builds up to the substance, which essentially means the more of the substance one needs to take to trigger the same amount of dopamine. Maybe the permanence of the sub's programs would inevitably require an increase (possibly linear, maybe exponential) in listening time, from 30 mins all the way to 12 hours over the course of 30/32 days. Who knows? That's why Shannon is still doing the research.

I know subliminal audio is purely psychological in its approach to internal change and opioids are purely chemical, so it may be comparing apples and oranges, but still. The IML methods of subliminal motivational audio (at least from 3G on) seem to be essentially untrodden ground in modern psychological research and experimentation, so let's let Shannon continue to do the research as he sees fit and/or call for assistance as needed so that 6G truly is at least as safe, useful, and effective as he is comfortable with releasing so that we the listeners may experience the least amount of resistance possible in our chosen paths to personal success and self-improvement.

Let's keep in mind Shannon could have very easily put out possibly inferior products just for money but has chosen instead to do the work necessary to make it safe, useful, and effective. I'd wager that even in a straight year of reading validated psychological research and things like NLP and hypnosis materials that are actually useful, one would have probably only barely scratched the surface of what kind of scripts Shannon has figured out how to write to make things happen. Even a cursory reading of the script library (especially if you look at the differences between 3G, 4G, and the three 5G subs that have public scripts listed) should be enough to convince people that IML subs are even now in a class above the competition.

RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion - Dzemoo - 10-10-2015

(10-10-2015, 08:36 PM)apollolux Wrote:
(10-10-2015, 05:39 PM)Shannon Wrote: In effect what I am attempting to do with 6G is create the reality in the moment, and then allow the reality to form it's own base by existing. In other words, say I create ASC in 6G and it works as desired. In 20-40 minutes, you could be fully self confident. That state would not remain if you stopped using the program, it would fade out because it had not yet created the base. But by continuing the use of the program, that base is created both internally and externally by the very fact of the existence of that confidence, as well as by the continued use of the program.

Have you considered the possibility that such a change could potentially have an inverse effect? Rather, like cocaine the first "hit" nearly immediately triggers a dopamine response, but then the more you use the more of a "tolerance" the body builds up to the substance, which essentially means the more of the substance one needs to take to trigger the same amount of dopamine. Maybe the permanence of the sub's programs would inevitably require an increase (possibly linear, maybe exponential) in listening time, from 30 mins all the way to 12 hours over the course of 30/32 days. Who knows? That's why Shannon is still doing the research.

thats what i already think about 5g, the first week is great you get all the goal oriented dreams and then after a time it gets negative the dream become negative and the opposite the reactions drop and so on...

RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion - TheRealJustin - 10-10-2015

(10-10-2015, 09:09 PM)Dzemoo Wrote:
(10-10-2015, 08:36 PM)apollolux Wrote:
(10-10-2015, 05:39 PM)Shannon Wrote: In effect what I am attempting to do with 6G is create the reality in the moment, and then allow the reality to form it's own base by existing. In other words, say I create ASC in 6G and it works as desired. In 20-40 minutes, you could be fully self confident. That state would not remain if you stopped using the program, it would fade out because it had not yet created the base. But by continuing the use of the program, that base is created both internally and externally by the very fact of the existence of that confidence, as well as by the continued use of the program.

Have you considered the possibility that such a change could potentially have an inverse effect? Rather, like cocaine the first "hit" nearly immediately triggers a dopamine response, but then the more you use the more of a "tolerance" the body builds up to the substance, which essentially means the more of the substance one needs to take to trigger the same amount of dopamine. Maybe the permanence of the sub's programs would inevitably require an increase (possibly linear, maybe exponential) in listening time, from 30 mins all the way to 12 hours over the course of 30/32 days. Who knows? That's why Shannon is still doing the research.

thats what i already think about 5g, the first week is great you get all the goal oriented dreams and then after a time it gets negative the dream become negative and the opposite the reactions drop and so on...

For me I usually get insanely vivid horrible nightmares for about two weeks and then I either get really good or really bad dreams at random.

RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion - Dubls - 10-10-2015

I hope ASC 6G is a thing when I'm ready to focus solely on confidence.

Holy crap I just realized something.

If 6G is as successful as expected, OPE will be unreal. Shannon could make a fortune and a difference with just that one product.

RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion - THolt - 10-11-2015

(10-10-2015, 08:06 PM)Shannon Wrote:
(10-10-2015, 06:02 PM)THolt Wrote: I see. So after listening to 6g for a while, the goal will become self perpetuating because your reality will have instantly change. Can't wait to see what 6g is applicable to. B

The "instant change" is not necessarily instant - it takes several minutes at least still, and it is the inducer for the change. But the long term change requires building that base still.

I am having a hard time explaining this in terms that you guys won't either take as pie in the sky or try to make into some sort of miracle.
I think it's best if we all hold our comments until Shannon even finishes 6g. We're getting ourselves worked up over something when we don't even know what will be in the final draft. With all that said, I thought 5g would never be surpassed. It's exciting times for sub creation.

RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion - Shannon - 10-13-2015

As I have said before, I have only been developing the state shifting portion of the technology so far.

This is the "instant on/short term" stuff. I have seen time and again where I have a resistant ester, who is doing great while it's playing, and then quickly (within hours) overpowers it when the sub is turned off, unless they have had repeated exposure over a period of months. State shifting by itself is not yet useful for anything but short term programming. NSFM, pain relief, sleep aid, awakener, maybe a muscle relaxer, de-stressor, etc.

When I get the state shifting to where it can achieve the goals I have set for myself I will begin developing the second half of the technology, which will be the medium and long term programming. It may not require constant altered state - and I hope it does not - but only using one without the other looks unlikely to be as useful for long term programming so far as it could be with both types.

Relax, guys. I've got this. And like I said, when the time comes that I feel comfortable doing so, I'll release a 6G prototype that we can all test and beat to death and help improve with feedback.

RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion - Jakeb203 - 10-13-2015

Might be kind of off topic, but you have just started building MLS 5G. Do you plan on integrating this modified version into future six stagers? Feel like it would be a waste had it not be implemented into longer stages as learning is so essential to self-improvement/growth.

RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion - jonathan4all - 10-14-2015

Shannon please do not forget to add Overcoming procrastination at least with Maximum Learning speed in MLS 5G. Last time when I was running MLS 4G, I was very lazy and later I stopped it. It is very important. Learning without habit is similar to not learning at all. Please focus on that. Thanks.