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05-31-2013, 03:56 PM (This post was last modified: 03-20-2017 04:31 PM by Benjamin.)
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The New Religion Thread
Since the old thread for discussing religion has disappeared, I am starting a new one.

This will be to answer Larry's question.

Quote:I'm curious about what you think about the soul? Do you think we have one or is just mind programming?

It is my conclusion at this point that the individual exists as a multi-layered conglomeration of levels or layers of awareness and presence, and that we do have a soul, which is not just mind programming.

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06-01-2013, 04:28 AM
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ok since this is the new religion thread I'm gonna start it out by saying.

What about Islam?
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06-01-2013, 01:32 PM (This post was last modified: 06-01-2013 01:33 PM by K-Train.)
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[SuperYuri =quote]ok since this is the new religion thread I'm gonna start it out by saying.

What about Islam?[/quote]

Can you be a little more specific about your question please? Are you asking for information on it or are you asking for something else?

[Shannon = quote]It is my conclusion at this point that the individual exists as a multi-layered conglomeration of levels or layers of awareness and presence, and that we do have a soul, which is not just mind programming.[/quote]

My latest research has led me to believe to concur with your findings. Specifically research into things such as PSI, OBE's (Out of Body Experiences), Reincarnation and NDE's (Near Death Experiences).

I must say that OBE's are quite fascinating and I would certainly love to train myself in the future to having them as well as using a subliminal to remember my past life memories. In the past I would have written most of this off as crackpot stuff meant for the gullible but subliminals have taught me that there is much more to this world than I thought.

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06-01-2013, 03:03 PM
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K-train I meant whats your guys general thoughts on islam
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06-01-2013, 06:40 PM
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My opinion of Islam is about the same as most forms of religion: there are good people that practice it in peace but they will forever be shunted and overshadowed by those that practice the religion utilizing violence and extremism. I don't know any friends that worship Islam and must therefore admit that apart from information that i myself have gathered from college classes and the news, I don't have a good in depth knowledge of it.

@Larry: Good luck man. Don't expect to find everything in one day and just enjoy the epiphanies and the growth you experience as you acquire knowledge.Smile

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06-10-2013, 06:29 AM (This post was last modified: 06-10-2013 06:30 AM by xKaku.)
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Before, sorry for my English.
In Indonesian, something like OBE and other shamanic thing is ordinary. And the difference about shamanic things in Indonesian and western is, in our country we don't use many theory, we just practice and practice and practice, taught by the Guru. And yes, it's real.

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06-13-2013, 09:23 AM (This post was last modified: 06-13-2013 10:06 AM by Shannon.)
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As to Islam, I cannot respond, as I have no real knowledge of it other than what I have overheard, which is useless as a factual basis for understanding something. I agree with K-Train in that it will be the extremists who color the perception of the religion, and not those who practice it in a peaceful or moderate manner.

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06-13-2013, 07:38 PM
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"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2s14T6x5AM" here is 10 minutes of Islam
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06-15-2013, 07:53 PM
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Ok, i want to ask you all, maybe little out of topic.
But. What do you think about illuminati or freemansony ?

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06-20-2013, 08:20 PM
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I know nothing about the Illuminati, and what I have heard is unworthy of serious consideration without something to give it credence. The Freemasons I know a little about, but I'm not a Freemason. I have found a book that basically claims to reveal their secrets, although I have not yet had time to read it. It is written by a Freemason.

Title: The Lost Key: The Supra-Natural Secrets of the Freemasons
Author: Robert Lomas
ISBN: 978-1444-710-618

According to this book, Freemasonry is the foremost system for communicating deep truth about the nature of the universe and the meaning of life.

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06-21-2013, 04:52 AM
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Some of you have already watched "The Arrivals" film ?
It's from wakeupproject(dot)com.
And yes, it tells us about about Illuminati.

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07-04-2013, 07:28 PM
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(06-01-2013 04:28 AM)SuperYuri Wrote:  ok since this is the new religion thread I'm gonna start it out by saying.

What about Islam?

I'm a Muslim. So, what do you wanna ask?


(06-10-2013 06:29 AM)xKaku Wrote:  Before, sorry for my English.
In Indonesian, something like OBE and other shamanic thing is ordinary. And the difference about shamanic things in Indonesian and western is, in our country we don't use many theory, we just practice and practice and practice, taught by the Guru. And yes, it's real.


Dude, are from Indonesia? If so where's your location? I'm from Indonesia.

(06-21-2013 04:52 AM)xKaku Wrote:  Some of you have already watched "The Arrivals" film ?
It's from wakeupproject(dot)com.
And yes, it tells us about about Illuminati.


I watch that movie, and yes it's mind blowing. Telling the "Truth" bluntly.
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08-09-2013, 12:05 PM (This post was last modified: 08-09-2013 12:10 PM by Beast10.)
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wanted to hear Shannon's thoughts on this and others.

My "belief" in this subject is always subject to change but up until now this is my belief about life.

We human beings are on this planet to evolve in consciousness. Meaning our human body is designed to take unconscious energy and transform it into conscious energy. (as one person takes responsibility and begins to transform there unconsciousness to consciousness, they help to expand the universe as a whole, as below so is above. The universe becomes a greater version than before)
So our purpose of reincarnating again on this earth is that we can finally evolve our consciousness to a point where we see the illusion of separation, we are able to transcend the ego mind and have that enlightenment experience of witnessing the death of ego, and realizing our true identity as one with all of creation. The I becoming god realized. I'm only paraphrasing here because I have no personal experience of this.

Many spiritual masters talk about this same process. First going through the personal unconscious (This is all of the dark emotional stuff that is suppressed in most of us in the unconscious that is carried on from our childhood and past lives) and then to collective unconscious and finally at some point, the one gains enough consciousness to the point where they see the illusion of it all, and not identified with anything of the world. This is when one evolves to the point of Buddha or Jesus. Jesus said "I am in this world but not of it"

What I can say is that, cultivating witness consciousness has been everything for me. I can say the single most important thing that made a genuine impact in how I live life. I first had this realization few years back, recently ran 130 days of OGSF and again came to the same understanding.

For me, it wasn't about removing the fear from the mind. My understanding is that not to be concerned with the mind even if there is fear. To just witness it like you witness a play or a movie. To see is to be free. So it was partly coming to the understanding that I cannot change the mind... so naturally that understanding brings you to the next step that is acceptance of the mind even when the mind is negative.

In hindsight I can see a evolution in how I respond to life. Years ago when I got into personal development, I got into things like positive thinking and affirmations. Where I would be using the mind to achieve certain results. But now I am coming to the my own inner truth that says what did any of that positive thinking accomplish? for me, nothing. The mind still has its same fears. So what to do but to just accept the fear for what it is, without trying to change anything about it. The moment I began accepting it, and remain a witness to it. I found inner peace.

this cultivation of witness consciousness is something that I like to keep on investigating and developing. but my problem is not sure how subliminals fit into this picture? On one hand, I'm getting understandings about how the mind is unable to change and the ultimate solution is our beingness that is outside of mind and developing a self identity as the beingness (that is the presence of the present moment) not our ego. On the other hand, I have interest in these subliminals that seem to be creating results by using the mind and developing the ego in a way with programs like Alpha male. and these programs are not designed to ever dealing with consciousness that is outside of mind, or developing the witness consciousness.

Has anyone else found solutions in these spiritual concepts about developing present moment awareness and/or witness consciousness? How does it fit in with using subliminals?

thoughts? thanks
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08-20-2013, 06:53 AM
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Beast here is my own opinion.

If our purpose as human beings was to expand our conciousness and transform our subconcious energy into conciousness to expand the universe, if you analyze that logically that does not add up as a purpose, and what makes you think the universe is in need of expantion or in need of a better version? and through us?

try to consider this if all human beings are wiped weather through illness or lethal wepons or whatever the reason may be what happens to the universe? it will still be there weather we are or not and its cycle will still go on weather we are here or not, there is only 1 purpose for us as human beings and its worship nothing more nothing less.

Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place." John 18:36

for me this means this is only the dream world and a test we will ALL be leaving it and going to the Kingdom although weather you do end up in the kingdom (Heaven) or hell depends upon what you do now.
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10-22-2013, 03:30 AM
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Well personally, if Hell exists, that's where I want to be, because all the people like me will be there.

Anyhow, anyone read the book "Journey of Souls"?

Shannon recommended it to me and now I can't talk about it in the other forums, so I came here.

(10-21-2013 04:50 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote:  
(10-21-2013 03:59 PM)Shannon Wrote:  I have personally observed that the majority of the world's population does not understand karma, or see it's effects.

If you are alive at all, you are being influenced. That's just the way it works. Go read those books.

Reading them as we speak, as a matter of fact. Not too helpful, though I'm only 32 pages into the first one. Been reading it most of the day, however.

I'm in the part where he's relating the case studies about people remembering past lives/the spiritual plane between lives.

I'm reading it with both eyes. I both believe it (pretend it's true) and don't believe it (compare what he's saying to my own experience that I can remember).

What is striking me as odd is how much people are talking about escaping physical pain and how peaceful and free of physical pain this spiritual world is, while I myself have no aversion to physical pain beyond it's discomfort. My own thing I'd rather be free of is emotional pain.

Then there's the spiritual guides, the soulmates, and the friends or close souls.

I have none.

I am, at this point in my life, becoming ever more reclusive and have only 2 people I consider to be friends. Even then, only so long as they are in line with my own life's purpose. Should they become set on another path, I would not be sorry to be rid of them.

The people in the case studies seem comforted to be around people that they know, while I myself imagine that if this were true, I'd enter the spiritual world, hang up my coat, and greet my guardian:

"Alright." I'd say, "Done that one too, what's next?"

And we'd get set up for the next life.

Whatever I am searching for, or whatever comforts me, it is not companionship. I have known since I was a boy that I am looking for something beyond anything this world has to offer, and now (if I could guess) I'm getting bored with it (life on earth).

I think, to be honest, that reality is what we make it, so me not believing in karma naturally has created a reality for me (or "bubble" around me perhaps) which does not include it.

What puzzles me is how you, and you must know what power beliefs can have on a person's reality, can possibly believe or "know" that a one-all inclusive "karma" force exists beyond the power of ourselves. Just reading it in a book can't be the reason, otherwise you'd probably believe everything you've ever read before. So what is it? There's got to be something more, near death experience I'm guessing, from when you were sick.

Any thoughts?
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02-23-2014, 11:57 AM (This post was last modified: 02-23-2014 12:01 PM by Alpha360.)
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I don't believe in hell, I think they made up this just to create fear.

With some christian I have witnessed a lot of instantaneous healing (all kind).
I don't think it was Jesus that healed them but a power we got inside of us. All this make me think that there exist somewhere in this earth a technology much more powerful than subliminal.
Christian call this Jesus but it's too tricky, some times the person is healed sometimes not Dodgy.
I saw some video on Youtube about a guy who demonstrate this kind of healing. It's looks like exo subliminal. In the video the guy said to heal they hack their mind to believe the guy is already healed, they feel like it already happen (which is exactly what some christian do when they heal people)

So what do you think about "miracles" in religion?

Is there a way to read what was said in the old religion thread? a link, a pdf Wink ?

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02-24-2014, 08:02 AM
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(10-22-2013 03:30 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote:  Anyhow, anyone read the book "Journey of Souls"?

Hey Sarge, I got this book when he suggested it to you in the forum. It is an incredible book. Definitely an eye opener. I don't have personal experience to tell if the contents are true but it has answers for lots of questions if it is true. I'll be checking out "Destiny of Souls" as well when I get the time to read it.
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(08-09-2013 12:05 PM)Beast10 Wrote:  wanted to hear Shannon's thoughts on this and others.

My "belief" in this subject is always subject to change but up until now this is my belief about life.

We human beings are on this planet to evolve in consciousness. Meaning our human body is designed to take unconscious energy and transform it into conscious energy. (as one person takes responsibility and begins to transform there unconsciousness to consciousness, they help to expand the universe as a whole, as below so is above. The universe becomes a greater version than before)
So our purpose of reincarnating again on this earth is that we can finally evolve our consciousness to a point where we see the illusion of separation, we are able to transcend the ego mind and have that enlightenment experience of witnessing the death of ego, and realizing our true identity as one with all of creation. The I becoming god realized. I'm only paraphrasing here because I have no personal experience of this.

Many spiritual masters talk about this same process. First going through the personal unconscious (This is all of the dark emotional stuff that is suppressed in most of us in the unconscious that is carried on from our childhood and past lives) and then to collective unconscious and finally at some point, the one gains enough consciousness to the point where they see the illusion of it all, and not identified with anything of the world. This is when one evolves to the point of Buddha or Jesus. Jesus said "I am in this world but not of it"

What I can say is that, cultivating witness consciousness has been everything for me. I can say the single most important thing that made a genuine impact in how I live life. I first had this realization few years back, recently ran 130 days of OGSF and again came to the same understanding.

For me, it wasn't about removing the fear from the mind. My understanding is that not to be concerned with the mind even if there is fear. To just witness it like you witness a play or a movie. To see is to be free. So it was partly coming to the understanding that I cannot change the mind... so naturally that understanding brings you to the next step that is acceptance of the mind even when the mind is negative.

In hindsight I can see a evolution in how I respond to life. Years ago when I got into personal development, I got into things like positive thinking and affirmations. Where I would be using the mind to achieve certain results. But now I am coming to the my own inner truth that says what did any of that positive thinking accomplish? for me, nothing. The mind still has its same fears. So what to do but to just accept the fear for what it is, without trying to change anything about it. The moment I began accepting it, and remain a witness to it. I found inner peace.

this cultivation of witness consciousness is something that I like to keep on investigating and developing. but my problem is not sure how subliminals fit into this picture? On one hand, I'm getting understandings about how the mind is unable to change and the ultimate solution is our beingness that is outside of mind and developing a self identity as the beingness (that is the presence of the present moment) not our ego. On the other hand, I have interest in these subliminals that seem to be creating results by using the mind and developing the ego in a way with programs like Alpha male. and these programs are not designed to ever dealing with consciousness that is outside of mind, or developing the witness consciousness.

Has anyone else found solutions in these spiritual concepts about developing present moment awareness and/or witness consciousness? How does it fit in with using subliminals?

thoughts? thanks

I generally agree with your point of view.

To resist "what is", is to make it persist. That is why there is the saying, "What you resist, persists. You focus on that thing in such a way that it is fed energy by your focus, and it persists, if not grows. But to let go of it is to release yourself from it. Accepting that fear exists, and allowing that reality to be something you stop resisting, allows it to be released.

Accepting that it exists, does not mean allowing it to persist, or feeding it. It is very much like a bee. If a bee lands on me, I simply accept that there is a bee on me, and I wait for it to fly away. I never get stung. But if I am with someone who fears bees, or getting stung, and they refuse to simply and calmly accept that "there is a bee", they begin reacting in such a way that they are increasingly likely to get stung, because they are afraid of getting stung. They focus on "getting stung", and make it happen. I simply appreciate the marvels of the bee, and it leaves me alone.

The solution is to accept "what is" without attachment, because attachment creates focus, and focus feeds energy to whatever we focus on. Doing that causes the universe to respond by attracting to us and magnifying what we have fed energy to, and causing it to become more and more real and obvious.

This is how we learn. I used to be deathly afraid of hypodermic needles. I feared them so much that I could pass out if I was not laying down while I had blood drawn. I had nightmares about them, and when I had a surgery, I spent more than a year in advance building myself into a complete state of absolute terror. Over needles, not scalpels, etc. Just needles.

Then one day my focus manifested itself in a way that forced me to deal with that fear. I got cancer, and if you know anything about cancer treatment, you know it involves a lot of needles. Well let's just say that I had no choice but to "deal with it". And now I have accepted it, and I do not fear it, and there are no more needles in my life.

Same thing for people who are desperate for something. The more they focus on it out of desperation, the harder it becomes to find, until they understand the lesson that that experience holds for them. When they accept "what is" and surrender, whatever they wanted shows up.

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02-25-2014, 06:21 PM
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Quote:Reading them as we speak, as a matter of fact. Not too helpful, though I'm only 32 pages into the first one. Been reading it most of the day, however.

I'm in the part where he's relating the case studies about people remembering past lives/the spiritual plane between lives.

I'm reading it with both eyes. I both believe it (pretend it's true) and don't believe it (compare what he's saying to my own experience that I can remember).

What is striking me as odd is how much people are talking about escaping physical pain and how peaceful and free of physical pain this spiritual world is, while I myself have no aversion to physical pain beyond it's discomfort. My own thing I'd rather be free of is emotional pain.

Then there's the spiritual guides, the soulmates, and the friends or close souls.

I have none.

Your statement that you have none is arrogant. You do not know if you have any. You have not yet met any that you currently recognize as being such, perhaps, and you may not be aware of extraphysical "guides" or whatever you choose to call them, but the truth is, you cannot say more than that. Whether or not you have any is unknown to you.

Quote:I am, at this point in my life, becoming ever more reclusive and have only 2 people I consider to be friends. Even then, only so long as they are in line with my own life's purpose. Should they become set on another path, I would not be sorry to be rid of them.

In other words, you are choosing to focus more and more on yourself, and in doing so, you are creating boundaries (walls, if you will) that block out various things, people and experiences. For whatever reason you choose to do this, it is your choice. It is about like drawing the curtains around a hospital bed and then claiming that there is no nurse because you cannot see your attendant nurse who happens to be standing on the other side of the curtain you put in place.

Quote:The people in the case studies seem comforted to be around people that they know, while I myself imagine that if this were true, I'd enter the spiritual world, hang up my coat, and greet my guardian:

"Alright." I'd say, "Done that one too, what's next?"

And we'd get set up for the next life.

Quite possibly.

Quote:Whatever I am searching for, or whatever comforts me, it is not companionship. I have known since I was a boy that I am looking for something beyond anything this world has to offer, and now (if I could guess) I'm getting bored with it (life on earth).

Boredom is a choice. You can always choose to find something that interests you. If you refuse to do so, then you are choosing the limitations that result in boredom.

Quote:I think, to be honest, that reality is what we make it, so me not believing in karma naturally has created a reality for me (or "bubble" around me perhaps) which does not include it.

Reality means different things to different people. What is real is what we make real by our beliefs, choices and actions, to a certain degree, yes. But the fact that we exist within a "field of energy" (for lack of a better description) that responds to our focus, thoughts, wishes and desires by becoming what we choose to make it, does not mean that there is not a larger "reality" within which that "sandbox" exists, which has different rules and actualities. Belief creates the personal reality, but not the omnipersonal reality. The only thing an individual can do about the actualities outside their own little "sandbox" are to create walls that limit that individual and help them ignore those external actualities outside their sandbox.

Quote:What puzzles me is how you, and you must know what power beliefs can have on a person's reality, can possibly believe or "know" that a one-all inclusive "karma" force exists beyond the power of ourselves. Just reading it in a book can't be the reason, otherwise you'd probably believe everything you've ever read before. So what is it? There's got to be something more, near death experience I'm guessing, from when you were sick.

My understanding of karma does not come from reading one book, or many. It comes from many books, many years of contemplation, many years of observation and many points of view on the matter being considered in concert.

I do not claim that my understanding is the end-all, be-all. I am confident in what I believe, because of what it is based on and in, but I always leave myself open to new possibilities, and my beliefs do change because I discover new things, have new experiences, and discover new points of view, which sometimes warrant enough scrutiny and withstand that scrutiny to actually make a change in my beliefs.

I recommended that book to you because it is the most condensed form of what it is that I know of. It is the closest thing I know of to a system of thought that accurately explains what I have experienced, what I remember, what I can do and so forth. If I thought it was right for everyone, I would insist that it was the end-all be-all, and that would be that.

But in my life I have come to realize that no matter what we think we understand, there are always greater degrees of subtlety and complexity to it than we currently know, are aware of or comprehend.

If the book does not resonate with you, then take from it what you please and move on. At least you will have a better understanding of where I am coming from.

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(02-23-2014 11:57 AM)maniac360 Wrote:  Is there a way to read what was said in the old religion thread? a link, a pdf Wink ?

We started this thread because the old one simply... disappeared. Nobody could figure out where it went...

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