Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5

[Jake2015]

@Shannon

1) I wondered and unsure if you know but what percentage of the sub buyers/listeners are executing and what have yet to execute?

There are very few who are left who are "yet to execute".  I don't know what the exact percentage is.

2) When you do make UMOP3 (which is when I finish OF) could you throw in both hard work and smart work into it as well as the persistence energy desire and joy to achieve the goal, whether it takes hours to reach it daily like a robot or not.

thanks

Probably not.  Those who really need UMOP are very difficult to get to overcome procrastination, and if and when I figure it out fully, I am not interested in diluting it or triggering more resistance from some side thing.

Ok thanks but isnt what I described a part of motivation? or are hard work/smart work, persistence, energy, desire, joy a part of something else that you may make later? - thanks

Motivation is a very complex thing.  What motivates the hell out of one person may have no effect on another, and may have the exact reverse effect on someone else.  Most people who procrastinate associate the word "work" with "Yuck, I dun wanna do that, let's go play video games." Put "hard" in front of it and it gets multiple times worse.  It's a far more complex issue to motivate people than aiming at one specific thing.  Besides, instead of working on UMOP and throwing in all sorts of extraneous stuff that might trigger more resistance, wouldn't we focus and get UMOP working first?

I may use those things later, but they're already (for the most part) in UMS.

Ok super thank you! Lets see how I get through my full run through of OFv2 then and take it from there. Hopefully by then you'll have alot more tech and details figured out too.

UMS, is what sorry?

theres another I forgot NWSM or something you're currently working on what is that too?

[AriGold]

@Shannon
One thing I am interested in and I hope it will be a part of the subliminals one day (maybe it already is):

As CatMan described his "story" I couldn't help but think "what if he somehow forgot about his past and just walks through the world without his past and burdens and thoughts from before". So somehow like a stone that fell on his had and let him forget about before, he still has all his talents and abilities. Pair that with a kind of confidence programming.

What could happen? He is no longer tied to his past and he just goes after the women he finds attractive and does not link every "fail" to his past, he does not take it personally, he might even think it is a game they want to play with him and he joins in.

But this was just meant as an example, you can exchange the persons and the goals here with nearly everything. There are people which past seems to be:
- I never was good with money, I never had money... (so the story continues in the future) and I never will have money
- I was never good with women, I never had women... (so the story continues in the future) and I never will have women
- I never was good with people, people don't like me... (so the story continues in the future) and I never will be good with people
- I never was a successful person, I never had success... (so the story continues in the future) and I never will have success

So if we, with the help of the subliminal, can make a break with the past story we can start a new story for the future that is independent from what happened.

Unfortunately, that doesn't work, as far as I have been able to determine.  That idea is not new to me.  I tried that in various different ways.  The subconscious is far too complex for the answer to be that simple, as far as I can tell.

Ok. So nothing to forget the past.
But still the problem is, the life story as we tell it to ourselves and to others is the one that is keeping us in the same line. A person who is XY and always was XY needs to tell his story differently to get to Z, otherwise he will always go back to XY. If you saw Westworld you might know what I mean by that, well you might already know what I mean by that.
I see it in a lot of biographies of successful persons that give the same stuff that happened to them before a completely new meaning bedded into a story that leads them to their new goal.
Something like "I was always bad with women, I never had a women... [this is the part where it normally continues to "and I will never be good with women", but here comes the change] and that was the reason to learn everything to know about women to become the best seducer ever lived (in my area)"

The reasons won't change but what we make out of it, how we read it and how we tell it in the future that is a big key to the successful transformation. In the beginning there will only be the story that you tell yourself, after some time you will start to like the story, you will start to believe the story and then you will be the story.

That is also why I see it with a certain amount of worry when people start their journal with "I was always XY, I am still XY and I feel I always will be XY, let's see if the sub makes a difference". That already tells there is very high resistance in play. Every post that they tell the story again in the same way will be their proof that they want to stay on their old story route and are not open to a new one.

[UniversalMan]

Anybody knows what NSFM stands for???

[Kol]

Natural seduction for men.

[UniversalMan]

Natural seduction for men.

oooohhhh...
Thank you

[Frosted]

@Shannon  For LTU, I was listening on 3/16 and getting subtle results but subtle resistance. I upped the volume to 4/16 and my results increased as well as resistance and I noticed I was more exhausted. Then on 5/16 I'm noticing results very noticeable (I literally noticed results as I just started listening and I was shocked) but also strong resistance and exhaustion is about the same or maybe slightly less.

What are your thoughts?

My thoughts are that increasing the volume further should let you find the sweet spot where you execute without sufficient resistance to exhaust you.  Maybe without resistance.  Keep going.

I'll try one more volume click up and see if that changes things, thank you Shannon.

I tried 6 clicks and sadly that's when it starts to cause tinnitus, it's actually pretty loud even though its only 6/16. It's only the morning right now, but I can say I slept great and my mind feels clean so far, no major signs of resistance (kinda feel the remnants of resistance I was experiencing on 4 and 5 clicks). Kinda bone deep tired but my body feels good. I'll go back to experimenting with 4 or 5 clicks because of the tinnitus.

You give up easily.  But I suggest you stick with v5 for a week, and then try 6 again.  Keep doing that until it works.  You'll get there.  There is no way a v6 on a cell phone is really actually loud with ultrasonics.

No I'm using trickling stream. But the ultrasonic one does give me bad tinnitus anyways, which is why I don't use it. It's not that I gave up easily, but that I knew it would've started giving me tinnitus, which is unfortunate because it was a good volume for results.

I will try 5 for a week and then 6 like you suggested.

edit: I just listened briefly to test if you were right and you kinda had a point, 6 isn't that loud compared to higher volumes so maybe it's my mind tricking me. I will still go with your suggestion and see what happens.

[Shannon]

My thoughts are that increasing the volume further should let you find the sweet spot where you execute without sufficient resistance to exhaust you.  Maybe without resistance.  Keep going.

I'll try one more volume click up and see if that changes things, thank you Shannon.

I tried 6 clicks and sadly that's when it starts to cause tinnitus, it's actually pretty loud even though its only 6/16. It's only the morning right now, but I can say I slept great and my mind feels clean so far, no major signs of resistance (kinda feel the remnants of resistance I was experiencing on 4 and 5 clicks). Kinda bone deep tired but my body feels good. I'll go back to experimenting with 4 or 5 clicks because of the tinnitus.

You give up easily.  But I suggest you stick with v5 for a week, and then try 6 again.  Keep doing that until it works.  You'll get there.  There is no way a v6 on a cell phone is really actually loud with ultrasonics.

No I'm using trickling stream. But the ultrasonic one does give me bad tinnitus anyways, which is why I don't use it. It's not that I gave up easily, but that I knew it would've started giving me tinnitus, which is unfortunate because it was a good volume for results.

I will try 5 for a week and then 6 like you suggested.

edit: I just listened briefly to test if you were right and you kinda had a point, 6 isn't that loud compared to higher volumes so maybe it's my mind tricking me. I will still go with your suggestion and see what happens.

I think when you unmask what your subconscious is trying to do to resist, you'll find things like how low a volume 6, 5, 4, etc. really is. But remember that volume on Masked is for the masking track, not the subliminalized audio. You need to use the ultrasonic track to get that same volume for the subliminalized track. Trying to acclimate using Masked format therefore probably will not work.

[Frosted]

I'll try one more volume click up and see if that changes things, thank you Shannon.

I tried 6 clicks and sadly that's when it starts to cause tinnitus, it's actually pretty loud even though its only 6/16. It's only the morning right now, but I can say I slept great and my mind feels clean so far, no major signs of resistance (kinda feel the remnants of resistance I was experiencing on 4 and 5 clicks). Kinda bone deep tired but my body feels good. I'll go back to experimenting with 4 or 5 clicks because of the tinnitus.

You give up easily.  But I suggest you stick with v5 for a week, and then try 6 again.  Keep doing that until it works.  You'll get there.  There is no way a v6 on a cell phone is really actually loud with ultrasonics.

No I'm using trickling stream. But the ultrasonic one does give me bad tinnitus anyways, which is why I don't use it. It's not that I gave up easily, but that I knew it would've started giving me tinnitus, which is unfortunate because it was a good volume for results.

I will try 5 for a week and then 6 like you suggested.

edit: I just listened briefly to test if you were right and you kinda had a point, 6 isn't that loud compared to higher volumes so maybe it's my mind tricking me. I will still go with your suggestion and see what happens.

I think when you unmask what your subconscious is trying to do to resist, you'll find things like how low a volume 6, 5, 4, etc. really is.  But remember that volume on Masked is for the masking track, not the subliminalized audio.  You need to use the ultrasonic track to get that same volume for the subliminalized track.  Trying to acclimate using Masked format therefore probably will not work.

I'm just making sure I understood, but are you saying that with the masking track it doesn't matter what volume I use? What I understood from your post is that the volume only works on the sound of the trickling stream but not the subliminal part. I thought that they both get turned up when you turn up the volume?

If that's the case why did I notice drastically different reactions depending on the volume? My nightmares went away when I upped the volume.

[K-Train]

Hello @Shannon and company! Just a quick follow-up of my month long experimentation with MLS 3.0. This experiment was done after use of OF 5.75G for several months and  in conjunction with brief use of USLM 5.75.3G for  about 3 weeks after which I continued use of MLS but dropped USLM and swapped it with MHS due to tinnitus.

Test Purpose: Will Subliminals Programs from Earlier Generations Perform Better After Use of Fear Removal Module(s)?

Background Information: MLS 3.0 is a subliminal that I have used many times over my time here at subliminal-talk. On average, I have to listen to this subliminal about 90 days  before I start getting results. In addition, MLS is a subliminal that is notoriously hated by Shannon due to the large amount of work that has been put into making the program work and the lack of effects garnered by it. This is not say that people don't experience or haven't experienced results with MLS 3.0 or the upgraded 5G version. It's just that these results are, similar to some of my own in the past, sporadic and often not to the level that the majority of customers would want.



Subliminal Being Tested - Maximum Learning Speed 3.0 4th Generation (MLS 3.0)


Average Daily Listening Time: 1-2 hours


Environments/Occupations Tested On: Doctoral Program, Grocery Store and Daily Life


Days Tested: 30


Results:


1) Greater Desire to learn all material


2) Drastically improved recall 


3) "Working memory" improved substantially


4) Faster and more efficient processing of new and old information


5) Less time needed to perform certain tasks (physical or cognitive)


6) Greater confidence in my own abilities


Discussion of Results:

Effects kicked in relatively quickly, probably less than a day or so of initial exposure. Those of you in the land of academia know that even information related to your respective field can be "dry" to say the least. With MLS there's this eagerness to learn and absorb information. It's the equivalent of putting the right amount of spice, salt, or toppings on a dish and it becomes more palatable. This is MLS3.0's way of getting you interested in things to study in a nutshell.

Before use of MLS I was a bit absent minded and while my work effort and demeanor were never questioned my efficiency often came up in evaluations at my job. #2-4 in the list above have combined to improve my efficiency. I don't have to keep consulting a worksheet or document continuously to remember something. 

Example: During my evaluation my manager said "you need to show better knowledge of product location and be able to find products without us helping". He shows me a way to help facilitate that. A situation comes up later with a customer requiring me to use this new method. I remember it and apply it. Simple and seamlessly.

Somedays it's still a bit difficult processing things because of all sorts of factors such as the material being studied/applied, the time of day, energy level, etc. That said, the number of times I might need something repeated or have to skim/read over something is much lower now especially when I increase my focus on it.

Most of the examples above were work related yet there have been great strides made in education. This semester I'm much more engaged in classes and I'm eager to learn whatever is being presented. Even classes that seem boring now seem interesting. Last semester I felt like I was struggling to not drown whereas now I feel as if I'm managing myself better and its showing in my class participation. (I think I might slowly be becoming that one student who's lowkey annoying because of how happy they are to be learning  )

Example: Last year I wasn't as involved with in-class questions whereas this year almost as soon as the teacher presents a question I'm either a) ready to answer b) thinking of related information to help with the question. I'm also one of the quickest to answer.


Why this matters:

Shannon has been talking about the role of fear for YEARS and I'm sure I'm not the only one who may have been a bit skeptical about that assertion so this quick, subjective experiment allows him to have at least one data point supporting him. The fact that it normally took me 90 days to start getting results from this same subliminal and the fact that I have basically been achieving design goal effects on day one with very little if any drop off is a great testament to the power of the FRM.

In addition, this may open up an avenue for Shannon when it comes to building future subliminals particularly DMSI and MLS. If fear truly is the last obstacle (and this post is strongly arguing that it is) then Shannon truly shouldn’t “have to” add “much” to these newer subliminals. He literally could just add the newest FRM and whatever relevant technology he deems necessary. This may aid in increasing the release rate (after the cycles end).

This experiment was done purely out of curiosity and because there’s not a “develop photographic memory” subliminal but hey this works good too! 

Thanks for reading ya’ll. Peace.

[fab10]

Natural seduction for men.

oooohhhh...
Thank you

For reference:
Glossary

Not everything is in there but a lot is.

[fab10]

@Shannon
One thing I am interested in and I hope it will be a part of the subliminals one day (maybe it already is):

As CatMan described his "story" I couldn't help but think "what if he somehow forgot about his past and just walks through the world without his past and burdens and thoughts from before". So somehow like a stone that fell on his had and let him forget about before, he still has all his talents and abilities. Pair that with a kind of confidence programming.

What could happen? He is no longer tied to his past and he just goes after the women he finds attractive and does not link every "fail" to his past, he does not take it personally, he might even think it is a game they want to play with him and he joins in.

But this was just meant as an example, you can exchange the persons and the goals here with nearly everything. There are people which past seems to be:
- I never was good with money, I never had money... (so the story continues in the future) and I never will have money
- I was never good with women, I never had women... (so the story continues in the future) and I never will have women
- I never was good with people, people don't like me... (so the story continues in the future) and I never will be good with people
- I never was a successful person, I never had success... (so the story continues in the future) and I never will have success

So if we, with the help of the subliminal, can make a break with the past story we can start a new story for the future that is independent from what happened.

Unfortunately, that doesn't work, as far as I have been able to determine.  That idea is not new to me.  I tried that in various different ways.  The subconscious is far too complex for the answer to be that simple, as far as I can tell.

Ok. So nothing to forget the past.
But still the problem is, the life story as we tell it to ourselves and to others is the one that is keeping us in the same line. A person who is XY and always was XY needs to tell his story differently to get to Z, otherwise he will always go back to XY. If you saw Westworld you might know what I mean by that, well you might already know what I mean by that.
I see it in a lot of biographies of successful persons that give the same stuff that happened to them before a completely new meaning bedded into a story that leads them to their new goal.
Something like "I was always bad with women, I never had a women... [this is the part where it normally continues to "and I will never be good with women", but here comes the change] and that was the reason to learn everything to know about women to become the best seducer ever lived (in my area)"

The reasons won't change but what we make out of it, how we read it and how we tell it in the future that is a big key to the successful transformation. In the beginning there will only be the story that you tell yourself, after some time you will start to like the story, you will start to believe the story and then you will be the story.

That is also why I see it with a certain amount of worry when people start their journal with "I was always XY, I am still XY and I feel I always will be XY, let's see if the sub makes a difference". That already tells there is very high resistance in play. Every post that they tell the story again in the same way will be their proof that they want to stay on their old story route and are not open to a new one.

So, maybe not forget but rewrite or reframe the non-resourceful parts of one’s history?

[fab10]

Shannon,this idea that Im about to share and propose is for future reference  entirely....

SInce you're working on the forward facing fear module ,that is this approach would cover not only the individual user but also the 'target; subject ,'to be sniped' ( or what ever you call it)  heres the idea deal I have....once this is uncovered,on how to do so ,down the road, then to me it would stand to reason ,that a for the self as well as  a simultaneous forward facing Loving,healing vibe could be.....  the idea/the experience  that standing the presence of a master, a loving vibratory experience. a person being hit with a bolt of love, overtly or covertly/

I Know of a healer right now and have for the past 30 yrs,that when you get in or near this persons energy field,the energy, is sooo high vibrationally that one's definitely experience's a healing/clearing/shifts that are not only tangibly felt but experienced as 'stuff' comes off of the individual, as well as lasting effects.

So back to the possible- idea here....
Could it not be so, that such a model/programming could work wonders for the  self and the other/others as well????
Elevated Healing Love...... . right now whats coming to mind as a point of reference is Lee-Lou in the 5th element,when it was as bruce willis said "wake up,its time to go to work" and she did her thing....the energy shot out in all four directions,ect....
who woulda thunk, hummm?   the possiblities.....

It would be amazing, like, walk into a room and the energy shifts. People feel better, you feel better. Your charisma skyrockets, people want to be around you, they benefit and you are in a position of power. Win win.

[dragonslayer]

Hello @Shannon and company! Just a quick follow-up of my month long experimentation with MLS 3.0. This experiment was done after use of OF 5.75G for several months and  in conjunction with brief use of USLM 5.75.3G for  about 3 weeks after which I continued use of MLS but dropped USLM and swapped it with MHS due to tinnitus.

Test Purpose: Will Subliminals Programs from Earlier Generations Perform Better After Use of Fear Removal Module(s)?

Background Information: MLS 3.0 is a subliminal that I have used many times over my time here at subliminal-talk. On average, I have to listen to this subliminal about 90 days  before I start getting results. In addition, MLS is a subliminal that is notoriously hated by Shannon due to the large amount of work that has been put into making the program work and the lack of effects garnered by it. This is not say that people don't experience or haven't experienced results with MLS 3.0 or the upgraded 5G version. It's just that these results are, similar to some of my own in the past, sporadic and often not to the level that the majority of customers would want.



Subliminal Being Tested - Maximum Learning Speed 3.0 4th Generation (MLS 3.0)


Average Daily Listening Time: 1-2 hours


Environments/Occupations Tested On: Doctoral Program, Grocery Store and Daily Life


Days Tested: 30


Results:


1) Greater Desire to learn all material


2) Drastically improved recall 


3) "Working memory" improved substantially


4) Faster and more efficient processing of new and old information


5) Less time needed to perform certain tasks (physical or cognitive)


6) Greater confidence in my own abilities


Discussion of Results:

Effects kicked in relatively quickly, probably less than a day or so of initial exposure. Those of you in the land of academia know that even information related to your respective field can be "dry" to say the least. With MLS there's this eagerness to learn and absorb information. It's the equivalent of putting the right amount of spice, salt, or toppings on a dish and it becomes more palatable. This is MLS3.0's way of getting you interested in things to study in a nutshell.

Before use of MLS I was a bit absent minded and while my work effort and demeanor were never questioned my efficiency often came up in evaluations at my job. #2-4 in the list above have combined to improve my efficiency. I don't have to keep consulting a worksheet or document continuously to remember something. 

Example: During my evaluation my manager said "you need to show better knowledge of product location and be able to find products without us helping". He shows me a way to help facilitate that. A situation comes up later with a customer requiring me to use this new method. I remember it and apply it. Simple and seamlessly.

Somedays it's still a bit difficult processing things because of all sorts of factors such as the material being studied/applied, the time of day, energy level, etc. That said, the number of times I might need something repeated or have to skim/read over something is much lower now especially when I increase my focus on it.

Most of the examples above were work related yet there have been great strides made in education. This semester I'm much more engaged in classes and I'm eager to learn whatever is being presented. Even classes that seem boring now seem interesting. Last semester I felt like I was struggling to not drown whereas now I feel as if I'm managing myself better and its showing in my class participation. (I think I might slowly be becoming that one student who's lowkey annoying because of how happy they are to be learning  undefined undefined undefined undefined )

Example: Last year I wasn't as involved with in-class questions whereas this year almost as soon as the teacher presents a question I'm either a) ready to answer b) thinking of related information to help with the question. I'm also one of the quickest to answer.


Why this matters:

Shannon has been talking about the role of fear for YEARS and I'm sure I'm not the only one who may have been a bit skeptical about that assertion so this quick, subjective experiment allows him to have at least one data point supporting him. The fact that it normally took me 90 days to start getting results from this same subliminal and the fact that I have basically been achieving design goal effects on day one with very little if any drop off is a great testament to the power of the FRM.

In addition, this may open up an avenue for Shannon when it comes to building future subliminals particularly DMSI and MLS. If fear truly is the last obstacle (and this post is strongly arguing that it is) then Shannon truly shouldn’t “have to” add “much” to these newer subliminals. He literally could just add the newest FRM and whatever relevant technology he deems necessary. This may aid in increasing the release rate (after the cycles end).

This experiment was done purely out of curiosity and because there’s not a “develop photographic memory” subliminal but hey this works good too! 

Thanks for reading ya’ll. Peace.

@K-Train Thanks for this report. I'm glad you wrote it.

I seconded your idea of "develop a photographic memory" in the other thread.

I asked Shannon if he was going to upgrade MLS because I'm planning to go through MLS after I finish OF V2 and his response is to "hold on a bit for further word on that." https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Shann...#pid242055

So there's no FRM in the current MLS? 

I was thinking of dropping OF v2 and get MLS and use it to help me with studying online courses to change jobs especially with my brain being foggy lately.

But I know I need to go through OF v2 first.

I was gonna post this in my journal but your post just confirmed to persevere with OF v2 first then do MLS after.

So thank you.

[Shannon]

@Shannon
One thing I am interested in and I hope it will be a part of the subliminals one day (maybe it already is):

As CatMan described his "story" I couldn't help but think "what if he somehow forgot about his past and just walks through the world without his past and burdens and thoughts from before". So somehow like a stone that fell on his had and let him forget about before, he still has all his talents and abilities. Pair that with a kind of confidence programming.

What could happen? He is no longer tied to his past and he just goes after the women he finds attractive and does not link every "fail" to his past, he does not take it personally, he might even think it is a game they want to play with him and he joins in.

But this was just meant as an example, you can exchange the persons and the goals here with nearly everything. There are people which past seems to be:
- I never was good with money, I never had money... (so the story continues in the future) and I never will have money
- I was never good with women, I never had women... (so the story continues in the future) and I never will have women
- I never was good with people, people don't like me... (so the story continues in the future) and I never will be good with people
- I never was a successful person, I never had success... (so the story continues in the future) and I never will have success

So if we, with the help of the subliminal, can make a break with the past story we can start a new story for the future that is independent from what happened.

Unfortunately, that doesn't work, as far as I have been able to determine.  That idea is not new to me.  I tried that in various different ways.  The subconscious is far too complex for the answer to be that simple, as far as I can tell.

Ok. So nothing to forget the past.
But still the problem is, the life story as we tell it to ourselves and to others is the one that is keeping us in the same line. A person who is XY and always was XY needs to tell his story differently to get to Z, otherwise he will always go back to XY. If you saw Westworld you might know what I mean by that, well you might already know what I mean by that.
I see it in a lot of biographies of successful persons that give the same stuff that happened to them before a completely new meaning bedded into a story that leads them to their new goal.
Something like "I was always bad with women, I never had a women... [this is the part where it normally continues to "and I will never be good with women", but here comes the change] and that was the reason to learn everything to know about women to become the best seducer ever lived (in my area)"

The reasons won't change but what we make out of it, how we read it and how we tell it in the future that is a big key to the successful transformation. In the beginning there will only be the story that you tell yourself, after some time you will start to like the story, you will start to believe the story and then you will be the story.

That is also why I see it with a certain amount of worry when people start their journal with "I was always XY, I am still XY and I feel I always will be XY, let's see if the sub makes a difference". That already tells there is very high resistance in play. Every post that they tell the story again in the same way will be their proof that they want to stay on their old story route and are not open to a new one.

So, maybe not forget but rewrite or reframe the non-resourceful parts of one’s history?

I have already determined what works, and that has been in use for some time now.  But what works is not a panacea, and it is not a one-and-done solution.  It works differently and to different degrees for each person.  But the vast majority of things I tried for this were pretty dismal failures.  

There's nothing more for me to do in this area, unless at some point I go in and optimize the existing script.  Of course exactly what I use, what works, is a secret.  But it's in there and it's been benefiting you guys for a while now.