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SargeMaximus: I Feel It Coming, Part II [DMSI 3.1 A Invalid Tester]
09-24-2017, 11:53 AM
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RE: SargeMaximus: I Feel It Coming, Part II [DMSI 3.1 A Invalid Tester]
Bought a ton of used books today.

There was a cute girl who definitely hovered around me but I was stuck in my head, couldn't talk to her.

On the other hand, there was a milf that I fancied who I was definitely going to make an effort to approach after I was done buying my stuff but she disappeared. I guess I could have gone looking for her.

ION, really close to a breakthrough in social skills. Things are starting to click and my efforts are paying off which is sweet.

Something is still missing, however. Need to find out what it is.
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09-26-2017, 07:27 AM
Post: #62
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Having lots of dreams as of late. Waking up multiple times in the night. Always with a boner too.
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09-26-2017, 05:04 PM
Post: #63
RE: SargeMaximus: I Feel It Coming, Part II [DMSI 3.1 A Invalid Tester]
1 Spray of Xist Applied to Left Wrist, then spread to Right Wrist and then each Side of Neck.

Felt overly annoyed at people. Also feeling angry. Having violent thoughts.

In sales, most people were dismissive except a few were very open and even intrigued or overly respectful.

No apps however. It may just be the area, but I gave some cards away which usually means they're not interested in dealing with YOU but they may be interested in dealing with the company.

Will go to the gym later to see what's up there.

So far the only real good results I've had in sales was with Dirty Primitive.

I think I'll try 2 Specks this coming thursday as tomorrow is my day off.

Also, reading that book "Influence" and so far it's useless. Tried some of his insights but they're having the opposite effect in sales.
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09-26-2017, 09:55 PM (This post was last modified: 09-26-2017 09:56 PM by SargeMaximus.)
Post: #64
RE: SargeMaximus: I Feel It Coming, Part II [DMSI 3.1 A Invalid Tester]
Have some thoughts on DMSI and perhaps what 3.2 needs.

Mostly this is just spitballing and brainstorming however.

With my bro tonight things were good. Not quite as good as yesterday but I did seem to "hook" him more.

Xist definitely hooks people if you can connect with them or share a moment.

Actually, I think sharing a moment is more powerful (and more important) than connecting now. Connecting is kind of like "ok, we're similar, now what?"

Whereas sharing a moment it's already implied that you are connected through the moment but also are moving towards something or growing together. You both have a common goal and are supporting one another towards it.

I think it's much better.

Jordan Belfort says that Rapport is built when people realize that you are someone who can help them achieve their goals.

I think that is much more powerful than being someone relatable to them.

In fact I know this because I did so well in sales when I focused ONLY on being the guy who can help people with their goals. This year, I'm focusing more on being relatable and conversation skills and pow, no luck.

I also remember back to when I was on AM 6 and how my trainer came to me to talk all the time. I had no convo skills. When i spoke, I was crass, rude, probably borderline retarded yet this guy wanted me in his inner circle.

SO I guess conversation skills aren't so important, but they are in some ways.


I guess we need to know how much.

So for 3.2 more focus on sharing those moments and being the supporting force than relating, would be my guess, but it's hard to say. I'm no expert in human relations or socializing.

All I'm going off is sales experience which is only 3 years, which isn't much to be very honest.
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09-27-2017, 11:53 AM (This post was last modified: 09-27-2017 11:59 AM by SargeMaximus.)
Post: #65
RE: SargeMaximus: I Feel It Coming, Part II [DMSI 3.1 A Invalid Tester]
Reading more of "Influence".

Fascinating book. Clearly the principles written about work, based on all the evidence.

One of the interesting stories was about a seminar where the author and his friend (an intellectual of some renown) attended.

As the presentation went on, the intellectual got more and more agitated. Finally, when the presentation was over, the sales guys asked for questions.

The intellectual raised his hand and they picked him. He then started asking them all manner of questions, creating an air-tight, logical argument for why their product didn't work.

Immediately afterwards, people from the audience rushed to the sales reps to buy the product. lol

The author says it was because they had hoped the product would be the solution to their problems and when that was at risk of being taken away (by the logical argument) they rushed to buy before they changed their minds.

I wonder if such a tactic could be used in DMSI.

Instead of being the logical case for being the best choice for a girl, what if we were the embodiment of her hopes?

In the same book, there is a story of a girl who was with a guy who drank and wouldn't agree to marry her.

She finally broke up with him and got engaged to another fellow.

That's when the guy came back, begging and pleading, convincing her he would change and even get married.

She called off the wedding, gave back the engagement ring and went back to her old BF.

They never ended up getting married, and he never quit drinking.

EDIT: In line with this, finally found a part of the book I've used in my own sales practices: it's called "the foot-in-the-door" technique. Definitely something we need in DMSI. I know Shannon doesn't have a lot of time, but I'd almost rather he read books like this before making the next DMSI incarnation for ideas.
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09-27-2017, 01:28 PM (This post was last modified: 09-27-2017 04:02 PM by SargeMaximus.)
Post: #66
RE: SargeMaximus: I Feel It Coming, Part II [DMSI 3.1 A Invalid Tester]
DMSI Notables (no mones today):

- Girl working the drive thru seemed very awestruck
- Just as I parked at a convenience store, a girl came out walking towards the car 2 parking spots over from me. I noticed her because she was quite attractive to me. When I got out of my car, the radio in the other car was cranked. "Promiscuous Girl" was playing. The girl then shook her butt in a little dance. Took me by surprise. I shoulda said "nice moves" or something but instead I just went inside. :/

EDIT: Just finished watching "Vanilla Sky"

It's crazy, whenever I watch movies like it ( "A Beautiful Mind" is another one) I begin to think I'm crazy or schizo (especially with regards to that incident at the convenience store today. Too perfect and synergistic, no?).

Ah the joys of using subs. Tongue

EDIT 2: Reading more of "Influence". It's talking about hazing rituals/initiations. Apparently all efforts to stop them or change them into things less dangerous have been violently resisted. And, apparently, people who are in charge of them were tested psychologically and found to be healthier than the average student.

The idea put forth by the author on the purpose of these rituals is this: "Persons who go through a great deal of of trouble or pain to attain something tend to value it more highly than persons who attain the same thing with a minimum of effort"
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09-28-2017, 08:32 AM
Post: #67
RE: SargeMaximus: I Feel It Coming, Part II [DMSI 3.1 A Invalid Tester]
Had a dream last night where I was doing D2D and got an app in typical Sarge fashion.

I had to return to the house for some reason and the woman's kids and husband were there. Despite that, I took opportunities to bump into her in a dominant way but she never let on to others what was happening.

Then the dream changed and Shannon was in a city relatively close to mine. I was gonna contact him and see if he wanted to meet up.
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09-28-2017, 01:24 PM (This post was last modified: 09-28-2017 01:27 PM by SargeMaximus.)
Post: #68
RE: SargeMaximus: I Feel It Coming, Part II [DMSI 3.1 A Invalid Tester]
2 Specks (Tip of Sample Stick) Dirty Primitive. One speck right side of belly above the belt, 2nd speck applied to left side of belly above belt.

Great day to test it. Had an appointment to do some tests (nothing serious gents) and had a cute nurse working with me.

She was very talkative but kind of lazy in her speech. Came across as a girl who just wants to lay around all day and have sex. Even tho she was a nurse.

A few things stood out to me about the whole thing. For better or for worse:

- No dilated pupils
- No touchy-feely Sad
- Didn't laugh too much. was super chill
- Talked about how she likes snakes
- Talked about how most people "wimp out" in the test I ran
- Said she likes being a nurse to support people and have good relationships with the patients
- Despite that she just said "it was nice to meet you" when I weas leaving and didn't seem interested in me
- No hair flipping or anything like that
- Wrist expose yes, and hands in crotch with tightly crossed legs at one point, tho
- All my jokes seemed to fall flat with her

So overall she didn't seem interested. Meanwhile, I had many sexual thoughts about her.

In sales, got an appointment super easy. Was so easy I question whether it's a good one or not. But I remember when I was first starting how I could get apps so easily and never trusted them but they turned out good. My first comission was from such an appointment. I thought there was no way in hell this person wanted my product and was just setting it to not be confrontational. But they bought. Lesson learnt.

Anyhow, then I went to buy a book.

The guy at the counter seemed nice at first. He asked me if I wanted a bag. I said "Yeah" as I was using the card machine.

He didn't do anything except read the back of the book!

Thinking he was a fan of the author, I just asked "Have you read the book?"

He goes "No... but I have seen some of his videos... he's weird..."

I'm a HUGE fan of this guy. This guy's techniques are what helped me get so good in sales lol. But instead of freak out I just say "Oh? Is he weird?"

the guy's like "Yeah... he's got a weird energy about him...." then he hands me the book with no bag!

So I take it, and say "Fair enough. Take care [name]" and leave.

Now that I've had time to process it, I've decided I'll be going back later today to talk to the manager about the behavior, and return the book. I'll give another store my money. One that knows how to treat customers.

EDIT: I should mention that before going into the test with that nurse, I was making ALL the female staff laugh like crazy. I was a superstar. Even after the test, talked to more females and they all responded positively to me. The nurse I liked, however, was different.
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09-28-2017, 05:14 PM
Post: #69
RE: SargeMaximus: I Feel It Coming, Part II [DMSI 3.1 A Invalid Tester]
So decided against going back to that store and talking to the manager. Also decided against returning the book.

Mostly because it's a waste of time. It's also not my job to correct every little whipper-snapper, and I sure as hell don't want to be "that guy".

Additionally, if anything was to be done, I should have done it on the spot.

So instead I'm enjoying reading the book. It's fantastic.

I recommends Shannon also read IT for DMSI ideas.

Just substitute selling a product with selling yourself. It'll work, I know it.

Seriously, this guy (and the system he lays out in this book) is the SOLE REASON I've done so well in sales.

Even not doing so well this year is because I'm no doubt not following ALL of the aspects of it.

So this is exciting. I'm going to try and read the whole book tonight. It's pretty long tho, so I doubt thast will happen, but I just need to get back on track, and this is the way.

I also wonder if DMSI is "failing" for some of us because it's not focused enough. I know that's been brought up before but what if it's true?

Again, read this book, follow the system, get paid (laid?).

"Way of the Wolf" - Jordan Belfort
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09-28-2017, 09:09 PM
Post: #70
RE: SargeMaximus: I Feel It Coming, Part II [DMSI 3.1 A Invalid Tester]
Just came back from the gym. Nothing substantial.

I'm pretty sure the one girl hjas been sniped. She's always around and looks at me a few times each time I go there. She's smiled at me before and held a door open for me.

I'm leaving her to do the seducing for many reasons. Mostly for DMSI purposes, but also because while she's VERY cute (8/10 body, 9/10 face), she has small boobs, which is a deal breaker in a lot of ways for me. Sad

But, of course, if she made the effort and won me over with her personality, I'd lose the superficiality. Just being honest with where I'm at with her for now.

Although, interestingly, that fit girl who I really liked had small boobs too, but her insane hardbody more than made up for it. So it depends. Whatever. Who even knows.

There was an asian hard body doing squats next to me giving butt displays continuiously, which I liked. Wasn't in a social mood tho.

reading this book has me re-thinking a lot of things again as it's all very metaphysical "where do you fit in as a human being" kind of shit.
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09-29-2017, 07:58 AM
Post: #71
RE: SargeMaximus: I Feel It Coming, Part II [DMSI 3.1 A Invalid Tester]
Just gotta vent for a second.

So yesterday my brother told me he and my mom went to a movie. Which is fine, however this movie I saw with my brother and my mom asked me about it.

I knew there was a part in it she wouldn't like and that would disturb her. I told her so. Yet she goes anyways. And, of course, my brother says she was disturbed by the part in question.

Like seriously, wtf? She's done this forever.

I imagine if I could figure out that kind of behaviour I'd be much closer to being better with people in general.
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09-29-2017, 08:49 AM
Post: #72
RE: SargeMaximus: I Feel It Coming, Part II [DMSI 3.1 A Invalid Tester]
Decided to return that book and talk to the manager. I don't get the feeling it did anything at all.
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09-29-2017, 10:48 AM
Post: #73
RE: SargeMaximus: I Feel It Coming, Part II [DMSI 3.1 A Invalid Tester]
Post #47-72...All you, Sarge! Might as well rename this journal, "DMSI 3.1 - Crickets!"

Sorry, had to break your posting streak and give you a 'lil shit. Blackhat
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09-29-2017, 11:12 AM
Post: #74
RE: SargeMaximus: I Feel It Coming, Part II [DMSI 3.1 A Invalid Tester]
(09-29-2017 10:48 AM)RTBoss Wrote:  Post #47-72...All you, Sarge! Might as well rename this journal, "DMSI 3.1 - Crickets!"

Sorry, had to break your posting streak and give you a 'lil shit. Blackhat

Lol.

You know who your friends are when they support you even while you're not winning.

Thanks RT.
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09-29-2017, 07:41 PM
Post: #75
RE: SargeMaximus: I Feel It Coming, Part II [DMSI 3.1 A Invalid Tester]
Lots of good discussion on the forums today. Smile

As for me, had a definite DMSI manifestation.

Was headed to the library to do some printing.

As I'm walking towards the door, I see this HOT Arab woman in a miniskirt and colorful top pacing aimlessly, but slowly.

We noticed each other and she was smiling, a LOT. I smiled back, said "Hey! How are you?"

She said "Good!" but nothing further.

I went inside.

As I'm doing my printing I notice her, she had come into the library (following me?) and we stared at each other for a moment before she broke EC and walked elsewhere.

I finished my printing, then walked out into the building (the library is in a building, so you have to walk through that building before you're in the library).

Sure enough, the woman is out there, still looking aimless.

At this point I feel like she might need help but i didn't want to offer help because I wanted to have sex with her and that would be sleezy (to offer help just because I wanted to sleep with her) so I just went over to where she was.

She smiled again and so did I, she broke EC and went to look at some magazines on a shelf.

I went over there to do the same, attempting to do a hover then open.

She left as soon as I got there.

I watched her reflection in the window and she just walked away so i thought "Oh well, guess that's that"

And walked away. I didn't want to chase, nor did I want to be creepy.

I know you have to risk creepy but I dunno.

I got the feeling maybe she needed help and she would just use her charms to get that help from me then blow me off, if I'm completely honest, that was my main fear.

Anyhow, it's a shame. Hot as **** arab woman. Very very nice, totally a "type" of mine.

Since then I've been thinking about DMSI all day and maybe we need more caring like RT says.

I mean, I feel like maybe sex is taking the precedence, but I also don't want to turn into a provider, you know? So it's complicated.

Just like with my hairdresser when things were near the beginning. After our third date and how I thought maybe she was afraid I just wanted sex from her.

But then I thought to myself "what's wrong with wanting to have sex with someone? Does there have to be a 'price' you pay aside from sharing some sexual adventures?"

I still think sex for sex is fair, and one shouldn't have to be a white knight or give something to a girl just to get access to her pussy.

So while I'm disappointed nothing became of that arab woman and I, I don't think i would have played it any differently, except maybe ask her "enjoying your evening?" next time.
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09-29-2017, 07:55 PM
Post: #76
RE: SargeMaximus: I Feel It Coming, Part II [DMSI 3.1 A Invalid Tester]
You can't be worried about what she's thinking about you when she walks away. Will you ever see her again? Not likely.

If you're looking to **** her, it's about being around her....more. You don't have to seduce her, especially since we're on DMSI. What you may have to do, at this point, is just get her to orbit you. That means creating opportunities where you see her MORE.

Ultimately, we're looking for them to create that space and opportunity. It's coming. I can feel it.
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09-29-2017, 09:53 PM
Post: #77
RE: SargeMaximus: I Feel It Coming, Part II [DMSI 3.1 A Invalid Tester]
(09-29-2017 07:55 PM)RTBoss Wrote:  You can't be worried about what she's thinking about you when she walks away. Will you ever see her again? Not likely.

If you're looking to **** her, it's about being around her....more. You don't have to seduce her, especially since we're on DMSI. What you may have to do, at this point, is just get her to orbit you. That means creating opportunities where you see her MORE.

Ultimately, we're looking for them to create that space and opportunity. It's coming. I can feel it.

Well that's what I was doing. Going around her to give her the chance to "acclimate" to me. Didn't seem to work (I'm not saying it WON'T work, and maybe I should have stayed longer, but I didn't feel like hanging around like a puppy waiting for it's master to pet it, you know? I was doing errands at the time anyways.).

Anyhow I agree about things "coming". Been having some MASSIVE shifts in my thinking and behavior lately. I LOVE ver A. Seriously.

Still, some things are in dire straights atm. Hoping everything gets pulled out of the fire just in time. Sooner would be better however. Smile
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09-29-2017, 10:04 PM (This post was last modified: 09-29-2017 10:13 PM by SargeMaximus.)
Post: #78
RE: SargeMaximus: I Feel It Coming, Part II [DMSI 3.1 A Invalid Tester]
Btw, got a butt display today, and took video. Uploading and will post screen caps in a few minutes.

Stay tuned!

EDIT:

Ok here's the story:

The girl was in the passenger seat of her guy's car. They were both in the parking spot for picking up groceries just like me, and were to my left (as you can tell from the pics):

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She stood like that for longer than 10 minutes! She did that while talking to the guy.

Very cool. That's more towards how girls with gujys should behave towards a DMSI user: give him the sex while distracting the guy.

It was like a metaphor lol.

Anyhow, I took the video despite the fact that it was likely I was being very obvious about it.

EDIT 2: apologies for the bad quality btw. It was actually quite bright out, but my phone camera sucks.
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09-30-2017, 11:30 AM
Post: #79
RE: SargeMaximus: I Feel It Coming, Part II [DMSI 3.1 A Invalid Tester]
As mentioned in shannon's journal, mods (or Ben) please move this jounral to: http://subliminal-talk.com/Forum-Experim...s-Feedback

As this journal is about using an expirimental sub. Thanks Smile



ION, had some odd reactions from people in sales but got an app with no persistance required.

it's cause I'm following "Way of the Wolf".

Seriously, I cannot stress how powerful this shit is.

If one could adapt it to PUA/seduction (i.e. "goal oriented seduction") there'd be no stopping the user.

IMHO this is what DMSI needs. Strongly urge Shannon to read it and see if there's a way.

Who knows? He may find ways to improve his own sales as well. Wink
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09-30-2017, 05:01 PM (This post was last modified: 09-30-2017 05:02 PM by Benjamin.)
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RE: SargeMaximus: I Feel It Coming, Part II [DMSI 3.1 A Invalid Tester]
The problem with that is, it's in the mens 18+ section now and that is a family safe section so isn't suitable for journals that are talking about sex and such. Most journals for DMSI are here and that's fine.

And a comment on what you last said, it would be way more powerful if it could purge all pua bs and instead get you totally connected with yourself instead as per what John Cooper talks about.
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