dmsi so far so good.... (Afzal/Dzemoos run)

[Sickologist]

The low-key aura is too boring for the type of women we are looking for, basically I've noticed that paople see me as this social, well rounded kind of alpha dude that they can tell anything. It's better than nothing, but it's not good enough. That would work for some people, but I want blatant sexuality again. I want women to look at me like "holy shit, that guy is HOTT!" like they did on 2.3. This is definitely not heading in the right direction, it has to be said. Even AOS+BITBWS was better than 2.4. I've also lost the edge I had after running this sub, it's too social, just can't dig it. Women don't want dirty sex with harmless social guys they can joke around with, aka puas.

We need different versions that people can pick and choose from. I'm thinking about it now, I'll make a post somewhere to discuss my thoughts on that.

[Shannon]

The low-key aura is too boring for the type of women we are looking for, basically I've noticed that paople see me as this social, well rounded kind of alpha dude that they can tell anything. It's better than nothing, but it's not good enough. That would work for some people, but I want blatant sexuality again. I want women to look at me like "holy shit, that guy is HOTT!" like they did on 2.3. This is definitely not heading in the right direction, it has to be said. Even AOS+BITBWS was better than 2.4. I've also lost the edge I had after running this sub, it's too social, just can't dig it. Women don't want dirty sex with harmless social guys they can joke around with, aka puas.

We need different versions that people can pick and choose from. I'm thinking about it now, I'll make a post somewhere to discuss my thoughts on that.

Primarily, what you're complaining about is the fact that 2.4 has healing modules, and 2.3 doesn't. I'm of the opinion right now that the healing effects are going to drag you off course for the goal of the program as much as is necessary to focus on those things that will get you to the goal of the program.

2.4 has two major goals. To get you to where you can and will fully execute the script and achieve the goals of the program, and to execute its script and achieve it's goals. You're not going to achieve the latter on all cylinders firing until you have achieved the former. And just because you don't consciously think you need it, doesn't mean it's not true. The difference between the results you get speaks for itself.

This is why I was thinking about putting out 2.5, actually. I knew someone would be saying things like this soon.

[Sickologist]

Let's say for the users who are inexperienced with women and lack sexual confidence etc, how long will it take for them to get the aura fully activated, months, even years?

As for me, I'm swerving in between decent and very strong responses. On 2.3 I had only strong responses. And yeah, I definitely don't need any healing. I'm fine the way I am. I can't see why that's such a crazy idea.

How about this, one version that deals with the healing aspects only and one that deals with pure aura projecting and the biatbws scripting?

I've been saying this all along. Some of us are in very different situations and want different thing, that's why we need different versions. I'll post more about this later.

[Duke.Togo]

Let's say for the users who are inexperienced with women and lack sexual confidence etc, how long will it take for them to get the aura fully activated, months, even years?

As for me, I'm swerving in between decent and very strong responses. On 2.3 I had only strong responses. And yeah, I definitely don't need any healing. I'm fine the way I am. I can't see why that's such a crazy idea.

How about this, one version that deals with the healing aspects only and one that deals with pure aura projecting and the biatbws scripting?

I've been saying this all along. Some of us are in very different situations and want different thing, that's why we need different versions. I'll post more about this later.

I think we already have the two versions that we need and I think building version 2.5 wouldn't be worth the time and effort for Shannon.

We never gave 2.3 a fair shot, and I actually intend to go back and use it at some point post 2.4 healing. I want to give 2.4 a good run, but I think 2.3 had some serious edge to it. It just needed time more time.

Unfortunately, I've seen a pattern with the last two versions. People didn't want healing so we had 2.3. People now have healing but they don't see the results. In none of these cases did we have a long term use of the programs.

I think we need at least 45 days of testing on 2.4 before we can rule out it's effectiveness. And I believe the same for 2.3.

I'd be curious to see where you end up with if you ran 2.3 for 45 days, considering that it was humming so strongly for you Sicko. My guess is if you and even Sarge ran 2.3 - you'd be running your mile at a minute within a very short period of time - hitting all of the goals of the program on a fairly consistent basis.

Just my two cents.

[Shannon]

Let's say for the users who are inexperienced with women and lack sexual confidence etc, how long will it take for them to get the aura fully activated, months, even years?

That of course depends on what they have subconsciously blocking them from doing it and how long they need for it to be cleared. This isn't a forced march.

As for me, I'm swerving in between decent and very strong responses. On 2.3 I had only strong responses. And yeah, I definitely don't need any healing. I'm fine the way I am. I can't see why that's such a crazy idea.

Because this is a binary situation. If you need something removed, overcome, outgrown or neutralized to be able to fully execute the script and achieve the results, then the scripting to do that has something to do and executes until you don't have anything left to do to get yourself to execute the rest of the script. At which point, it becomes a null, and is skipped.

It's like a subroutine in a program, where you have the Begin Sub and the End Sub statements, but as each statement between those two accomplishes it's goal, it is removed from the subroutine. Eventually, all you have is the Begin Sub and End Sub statements, and there's just nothing between them to execute and use system resources on.

Argue all you like, but them's the facts. You either get the results, or you need the adjustment.

How about this, one version that deals with the healing aspects only and one that deals with pure aura projecting and the biatbws scripting?

I've been saying this all along. Some of us are in very different situations and want different thing, that's why we need different versions. I'll post more about this later.

That will depend on how things pan out on a few things I am currently observing.

[Dzemoo]

The low-key aura is too boring for the type of women we are looking for, basically I've noticed that paople see me as this social, well rounded kind of alpha dude that they can tell anything. It's better than nothing, but it's not good enough. That would work for some people, but I want blatant sexuality again. I want women to look at me like "holy shit, that guy is HOTT!" like they did on 2.3. This is definitely not heading in the right direction, it has to be said. Even AOS+BITBWS was better than 2.4. I've also lost the edge I had after running this sub, it's too social, just can't dig it. Women don't want dirty sex with harmless social guys they can joke around with, aka puas.

We need different versions that people can pick and choose from. I'm thinking about it now, I'll make a post somewhere to discuss my thoughts on that.

Primarily, what you're complaining about is the fact that 2.4 has healing modules, and 2.3 doesn't. I'm of the opinion right now that the healing effects are going to drag you off course for the goal of the program as much as is necessary to focus on those things that will get you to the goal of the program.

2.4 has two major goals. To get you to where you can and will fully execute the script and achieve the goals of the program, and to execute its script and achieve it's goals. You're not going to achieve the latter on all cylinders firing until you have achieved the former. And just because you don't consciously think you need it, doesn't mean it's not true. The difference between the results you get speaks for itself.

This is why I was thinking about putting out 2.5, actually. I knew someone would be saying things like this soon.

when will version 2.5 be out and what will be different

sicko u said to me v1 was even better than 2.3 why not use v1 again

and i have to agree to sicko on 2.4 women are very open and talktive to me but it doesnt lead to sex, the bitchy ones who used to respond to me before are now ignoring me while the more innocent less hot ones are talking to me
also all kind of boring man are talking to me permanently while the hotties ignore me and cant talk to me because guys do this all the time they even switch seats to sit next to me and talk

to the others i think we should run what ever version we want and think it works and stop suggesting shanon things and just let him do his work how he thinks it should be he made version 1 without our help and it actually was the best... just do what you think shanon and deliver us an end product soon because i am tired of having all this different version i want one i know i can run longterm

i have to admit i feel a little more insecure when i am out on 2.4

[Sickologist]

I'm saying all of these things because I'm looking forward, into the future of what can be possible with sub auras. I've touched on this before, niche auras and I'll get into that later. I'm not trying to argue with anyone here, I'm trying to help you.

So why is Sickologist so narcissitic that he thinks his opinions are helpful?

That's because I've run different games on women successfully and I know what they respond to in different situations and based on their current preferences which completely relates to the users experiences with them. So depending on what type of girl you're looking for and what type of sex you're looking for, let's be mindful of that. Also, the sniper effect is pretty much useless for less experienced guys anyway, they need to get their dicks wet before going advanced. Whether it's 2.5, 3.0 or 7.9 down the line I'll probably run it and give my thoughts.

Several users here agree with my main idea, a strictly male version of DMSI. Add some masculinity in there and they'll get better results. I remember there were subs like Aura of dominance and Aura of commanding presence back in the day. Mix some of that with DMSI and we've got something fresh.

[Shannon]

Why would you think the sniper effect is useless if the guy never had sex, when it's based on how attractive he finds her and in how many different ways? His level of experience has nothing to do with that.

[hunk]

As for me, I'm swerving in between decent and very strong responses. On 2.3 I had only strong responses. And yeah, I definitely don't need any healing. I'm fine the way I am. I can't see why that's such a crazy idea.

Because this is a binary situation. If you need something removed, overcome, outgrown or neutralized to be able to fully execute the script and achieve the results, then the scripting to do that has something to do and executes until you don't have anything left to do to get yourself to execute the rest of the script. At which point, it becomes a null, and is skipped.

It's like a subroutine in a program, where you have the Begin Sub and the End Sub statements, but as each statement between those two accomplishes it's goal, it is removed from the subroutine. Eventually, all you have is the Begin Sub and End Sub statements, and there's just nothing between them to execute and use system resources on.

Does it mean you have been able to implement if conditions in the subs? e.g.

PHP Code:

if ( healing_required ) {
    execute_healing_scripting();
}
else {
    execute_goal_scripting();
} 


Also, does it mean that until the healing is complete, the effects of the sub may not be visible? Which also makes me think... if someone is able to see the effects of sub, would that mean they do not need any more healing?

[Shawn]

Does it mean you have been able to implement if conditions in the subs? e.g.

PHP Code:

if ( healing_required ) {
    execute_healing_scripting();
}
else {
    execute_goal_scripting();
} 


Also, does it mean that until the healing is complete, the effects of the sub may not be visible? Which also makes me think... if someone is able to see the effects of sub, would that mean they do not need any more healing?

As Shannon stated elsewhere it is more like:

Code:

try
{
    execute_healing();
}
catch (Exception e)
{
    //nothing to heal found
}

[Shannon]

Does it mean you have been able to implement if conditions in the subs? e.g.

PHP Code:

if ( healing_required ) {
    execute_healing_scripting();
}
else {
    execute_goal_scripting();
} 


Also, does it mean that until the healing is complete, the effects of the sub may not be visible? Which also makes me think... if someone is able to see the effects of sub, would that mean they do not need any more healing?

As Shannon stated elsewhere it is more like:

Code:

try
{
    execute_healing();
}
catch (Exception e)
{
    //nothing to heal found
}

Yes, this second example is how I have it set up.

Also, does it mean that until the healing is complete, the effects of the sub may not be visible? Which also makes me think... if someone is able to see the effects of sub, would that mean they do not need any more healing?

When it comes to the subconscious awareness of a person, there seems to be no such thing as simple. It will depend on what is being cleared, how fast, how intensely, and how many other things are also being cleared, what they are, how they interact, what their removal results in, and of course then we have to consider the initial personality, the physiology, the age, etc. etc.

If someone is able to see the effects of the sub, it means that while they are seeing the effects of the sub, they are executing enough of the primary script to see the effects of the sub. That does not mean they won't have a day where they have a subconscious ab-reaction because X isn't cleared, as Chaos clearly demonstrates. When it's all cleared, the sub will only be executing the primary scripting, though.

[DarthXedonias]

I will just give my opinion on this matter and hope its just taken as constructive criticism. I know that Shannon's been going through a lot lately and been really working hard on updating this program over the past few months. I really do appreciate that and I think really have made progress. With that said I only really have one gripe with the program: The sniper effect.

After you mentioned how it works Shannon I kinda of still have an uneasiness with this addition for several reasons. My first one is that doesn't this go against something you polled us on like 2 months back. If I remember correctly you asked whether or not you should just have the aura hit all women with maximum effect or (I forget the particular wording) only hit very attractive women with maximum affect. If I remember correctly when I asked you about the sniper effect in the discussion journal you said that all women still get hit with the "baseline" aura its just that women with more attractive qualities get hit with more of the aura per attractive qualities they have. I don't know but that sounds more in line with the second option in the poll that didn't win. If I remember correctly the option that won was all woman get hit with the aura at maximum effect.

My other issue is more personal as it pertains to my current situation. As I told you I only seem to be attracting plain Jane looking intelligent women. The thing is (at least consciously) I don't just want plain Jane looking intelligent women. I know you said that other women still get baseline aura exposure but from what I've observed base line only translates to more "politeness" and "respect". If I were to use a example (using % points) its like my subconscious manages the aura like this: baseline, nice rack: +10% more aura effect, Nice butt: +5%, Intelligence: +50%. The thing is I have realized over the years that I've kinda of pigeon holed myself into this belief that intelligence is the most important thing to have. As anyone should know, this is very limiting thinking because there are other important attributes to have besides just intelligence. I know this consciously but my subconscious seems to not have gotten with the program yet. Maybe by having experience with dating different types of women that might only have moderate levels of intelligence but other important qualities I can actually get this idea that maybe I should judge other characteristics just as important as intelligence.

Along those lines maybe by taking out the sniper effect and guys getting more experience with women that have different attributes than what they "currently"(subconsciously) see as attractive there idea of what they find attractive might expand. Take me and Catman (Sorry Catman lol) for instance. Never been on a date(Well actually I've been on one before), been shot down by multiple women, and never even kissed a woman before. We might have some "idea" of what we like in women but we really lack experience. But lets say we started attracting, dating, and having sex with multiple women that might be lacking in what we "currently" find attractive but have other important qualities over the course of a year. Don't you think by year's end that our concept of attraction might have changed due to the variety in experiences?

I would also think the affecting all women at maximum would be the more natural course of action. For example, if a woman, who is a 12/10, walks in a room how sexy and beautiful she is doesn't just to "maximum effect" only the men that meet some criteria of what she "currently" likes. It effects every man in the room. Just like above if she gets experience with men that she normally wouldn't consider in the first place maybe she changes her concept a little of what she finds attractive. I would find this more dynamic and conductive to our self development than: Baseline, baseline, "oh crap that woman fulfills X,Y, and Z of my "currently" conceive (with lack of experience because i'm a virgin) conceptions of what I want -Aura powers activate +9000!-".

If the problem with having the aura hit all woman at maximum effect all the time (instead of mostly baseline) is a problem of energy sourcing, didn't you have an idea recently of a new source of energy you could use? Maybe you could use that in 3.0. Anyway, I hope this wasn't taken the wrong way, these are just my opinions based on my observations. I don't really have a problem with the healing, I know I need that so if you come out with a 2.5 version I probably won't be using that even though unlike others I didn't really have as much resistance with 2.3. I'm just saying can we consider taking out the sniper effect for 3.0 though. I mean what are we really going to lose if we did? If I attract some woman that I normally wouldn't consider because of my current views on what I find attractive one of three things is going to happen: (1) I reject her straight off the bat, (2) I decide to give her a chance and after finding out a little bit about her she still doesn't fit my fancy and I probably friend zone her, or (3) I give her a chance and after finding out more about her I change my criteria on what I find attractive because she has other qualities that I like and hadn't considered. Anyway, that's all just my opinion on this issue.

[4Kingdoms]

@DarthXedonias
Before the "sniper effect"... young guys were getting hits from older women "grannies" and older guys were getting hits by "underage" girls.

Now I'm seeing "hits" from women closer to my age range, older and younger - closer to my age. Also, the "sniper effect" is exclusive to 2.4

[maxx55]

You raise some good points DarthXedonias.

I thought of that myself. What if someone doesn't necessarily know what they want because they haven't had a sample of everything out there? Of course, they think they know what they would like, but don't actually know.

I have yet to start DMSI. But it seems like most users don't see much from the "baseline". Most of the major or significant reactions came from those the user found attractive. It'd be great to read about someone walking into a room and ALL the women, from the not to so attractive, to the hottest of the hot stare and whisper to each other "Woah, he's SO hot!"