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			<description><![CDATA[<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">You are not who or what you think you are.</span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">This will probably come as a big surprise to you, but “you” are not what or who you think you are. </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">It is a very good bet that what you believe to be “you” has grown up believing that every morning, you wake up and every night you go to sleep and while you are asleep, you’re asleep and while you’re awake, you’re awake. </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">But what if that isn’t you? What if that is just a part of you, and not even the biggest, most important, or even the dominant part of you? The fact is, it’s true. What “you” have always thought of as being “you” is just a small part of what and who the whole “you” actually is.</span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">So what and who is the “real you”? Well, first you must understand that “you” exist as not just one awareness, or even one type of awareness, but multiple different awarenesses which each have different parts and levels of awareness within themselves, and sometimes different ways of thinking, experiencing the world and understanding things.</span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">The simplest way to define them is to separate them into the supposedly “conscious” mind, and what we call the “subconscious” mind. Some also posit a “superconscious” mind, but for the our poses of this discussion, we will stick with conscious and subconscious.</span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">What I will be sharing here with you now is what I have learned through working as a subliminals creator since 1991. I’ll explain what subliminals are a little later on in this discussion.</span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">What is the conscious mind?</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">The so-called “conscious” mind in a human being is the part of your awareness that wakes up in the morning, goes to sleep at night, and allows you to function in specific ways during it’s time awake. It has the ability to focus, to rationalize, to use logic. It can do math, understands time as a "point of now", comprehends a "past" and "future" and is capable of critical thinking. It is very limited in its ability to think and remember things, however, needing to focus on just one thing at a time and being able to remember only about seven things at a time at maximum. </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">This is the type and level of awareness you are experiencing right now as being what dominates your awareness.</span><br />
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<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">What is the subconscious mind?</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">The subconscious, on the other hand, seems to be composed of several levels and parts for each level. You have what I call the “shallow subconscious” and the “deep subconscious”. Unlike the conscious mind, the subconscious (or some part of it) automatically remembers everything you ever experience through all of your senses, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 364.25 days a year, for your whole life. It (or some part of it) never forgets anything, but its memories are not necessarily easily accessed by the conscious mind. (That is why sometimes you can't remember things at the conscious level.)</span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">Also unlike the conscious mind, the subconscious is capable of doing more than one or two things at a time. In fact, it has been estimated by some researchers that just keeping your body alive requires your subconscious to be simultaneously doing hundreds of thousands to possibly a million or more different things simultaneously at all times. This includes regulating the brain’s activity, the heart, the muscles involved in digestion, the nervous system, the circulatory system, the immune system, the body’s digestion, the kidneys, the liver, the lungs, the endocrine system, and all the other systems of the body. Everything that your body seems to do automagically to stay alive is happening because of the actions and governance of one or more parts of your subconscious mind.</span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">On top of all this, your subconscious is capable of doing many more things still, all at the same time. Furthermore, it has a much wider range of sensory awareness than your conscious mind, and it is not always rational in nature. In fact the majority of the subconscious mind, at the least, seems to be focused through emotional awareness, and is irrational, creative and intuitive in nature instead of logical. Parts of it, at least, are illogical and is capable of unquestioningly believing whatever you tell it is true, as long as you communicate that thing in the right way and at the right time. Even if that thing is blatantly, obviously and demonstrably false – which is a big part of why so many people have so many issues that they have trouble solving.  The subconscious awareness disagrees with the conscious mind.</span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">The subconscious has other interesting and amazing differences from the conscious mind as well. It can understand multiple conversations being spoken at the same time, and it does not experience time the way the conscious mind does. The deeper into the subconscious awareness you go, the less your subconscious experiences time as a “point of now” (as the conscious mind does) and the more it experiences "now" as more of a smear. That means that some part of you thinks “now” is what your conscious mind experiences as everything from X units of time into the supposed “past” to Y units of time into the supposed "future". At the deepest levels, time ceases to have any meaning, because all of what we would call the past and future becomes simultaneous with the "now".</span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">Even more interesting, every "version" of you at every age still exists within your subconscious awareness, and certain experiences can cause the crystallization of a particular version of you and cause it to become a static and prominent fixture within your subconscious awareness and decision making process. Such crystalizations of your "past" selves will thereafter influence your conscious self in subtle, but powerful ways that direct your actions, choices, thoughts and feelings, along with all of the other crystallizations and the rest of your subconscious self. This is why I believe that “inner child” work is important and useful, and certainly is not limited to inner children.</span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">The subconscious is the real operating system for the biological supercomputer that is your brain, and it influences and directs the majority of our choices, even while the conscious mind thinks it is making the majority of the choices and decisions. Have you ever seen someone who, in spite of their best conscious efforts, could not prevent themselves from doing some specific thing they wanted to do, or was unable to do some thing they were trying to do? That happens when the subconscious desires conflict with and override the conscious desires. Since the subconscious is so dominant and subtle, and the conscious mind must rest, the subconscious always wins.The conscious usually doesn't even notice what the subconscious is doing to defeat it!</span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">A good example of this would be those people who get fed up with being overweight, so they change their eating and exercise habits and achieve their goal weight, only to have all that weight and more come back afterwards. What happens is that the conscious temporarily takes charge and overrides the subconscious by force of will, directing the person to achieve the goal, which they do; but when the goal is achieved, they (the conscious self) stop trying, because the stated goal has been reached. Then the subconscious takes over in slow, subtle ways and returns the person to what it desires instead. For this reason, the only ways to lose weight and keep it off are to either permanently change your lifestyle, and not your temporary eating and exercise habits, or to change what your subconscious believes to be true that results in the consciously undesirable physical body size and weight.</span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">In other words, "conscious" you must communicate with your subconscious awareness and change what programming it runs on and executes. Parts of your subconscious are absolutely literal, and parts are not; but the majority of, if not all of your subconscious is emotional and irrational in its thinking and comprehension, and is capable of accepting something as valid and true regardless of whether or not it actually is, regardless of the facts and evidence. </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">It is what we accept as true that creates our beliefs, and our beliefs that result in our thoughts and choices. It is our thoughts, beliefs and choices that then result in our lives as we experience them at a conscious level. So it makes sense that to change your life, you must change what you believe to be true at the deepest levels, which is the subconscious.</span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">The methods for doing that are many and varied, and include hypnosis, NLP, affirmations and subliminals, among others. My specialty is making subliminals to help people change their beliefs in the ways that allow them to then change their lives in the ways they want to change their lives and achieve goals they would not or could not have otherwise.</span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">What is a subliminal?</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">While some people know what a subliminal is, most people do not, so I will explain. The word subliminal is composed of the prefix "sub-", the root word "limen", and the suffix "-al".  Sub means “below”. Limen is Latin for limit or threshold, and the suffix “al” means “referring to”. So the word “subliminal” means “referring to that which is below the threshold”. Below the threshold of what? The awareness of your conscious mind, of course.</span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">Remember I said earlier that your subconscious mind has a much wider range of sensory awareness than your conscious mind. That is partly because of the exquisite sensitivity of the subconscious, and partly because the conscious mind has such a limited ability to pay attention to only one or two things at a time. The result is that the conscious mind is much better at paying attention to much more obvious things your senses report, and the subconscious is able to take in everything else that your conscious awareness missed.</span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">But that means that if we have a way of communicating information that the conscious mind either doesn’t notice or cannot comprehend, but the subconscious can and does, then we have successfully bypassed the logical gatekeeper of the mind, the conscious awareness, and can communicate with the subconscious mind directly. </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">Subliminal messages </span>do exactly that.</span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">Because your subconscious is paying attention to to all of your physical senses at once, all the time, this range of awareness below the conscious comprehension or detection, but above the lower limits of what the sense can actually pick up, is capable of producing subliminal information through all five of your physical senses. While I am referring to audio subliminals,  when I talk about "subliminals" or "subliminal messages", it is possible to create visual, scent, taste and physical touch based subliminals also. In fact some stores have been known to use audio and scent based subliminals (the faint scent of buttered popcorn, in the case I am talking about) to influence and direct customer choices as to what to buy and when. As far as I know, those practices are illegal and have long since been put to rest at this time.</span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">I create audio subliminals, and the vast majority of subliminal programs are purely auditory in nature. Visual subliminals can also be used and the two can even be combined, but that is much less common. </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">How do subliminals work?</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">As I stated before, subliminals bypass the conscious mind (which is supposed to act as a sort of gatekeeper for the subconscious mind, filtering things out if they don't make sense) by introducing a stimulus – in the case of audio subliminals, this is usually a spoken statement of some sort – directly to the subconscious part of your awareness by either being too faint for the conscious mind to notice or outside its range of sensory ability to make sense of, while remaining within the ability and range of the subconscious to detect and decipher.</span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">The spoken subliminal statement is a communication to the subconscious, which, if worded correctly, will be understood by the subconscious as an instruction. When the instruction is properly understood as such, the natural inclination of the subconscious mind – or at least some parts of it – is to automatically act to as if that instruction is true, which in effect makes it true. The result is what we call execution of the subliminal script, and a change in thoughts, beliefs, emotions, perceptions, behavior and even the physical body.  That change will happen  according to what the instructions of the specific script in question actually are and how well they were phrased in accordance with the cognitive ability of the particular part and or level of the subconscious in question.</span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">The key is to communicate the right instructions that result in the desired outcome correctly.</span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">What proof that subliminals work is there? </span></span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">This all may come as quite a surprise to some of you, and you may be thinking that this seems too good to be true, or perhaps think that it’s some sort of scam or snake oil. After all, if you look on the Internet you can find half the claims being made say that subliminals don’t work, and half claiming they do. </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">To make matters even more confusing, the same is true when you start looking into academic studies done on the subject. Some will say they prove that subliminals don’t work, and roughly the same number directly contradict that claim and say that they do. </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">What to believe?</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">I make and sell subliminals for a living, so my point of view can be claimed to be biased because I benefit if you buy my subliminal messaging products. However, I have been doing this since 1991 when I made my first subliminal, and I have done thousands of experiments and tests, some blind, some double blind. My experience has been borne out by my experiments, but my experiments are not formal science. I am working towards a day when I can perform formal clinical trials with independent researchers to prove the results they give, but that day is not yet here.</span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">So in the interest of honesty, I encourage you to do your own research and think for yourself. Don’t take anyone’s word for it; try it yourself. But keep in mind that not all subliminals creators are knowledgeable about what they’re doing, and some are outright scam artists, only in it to make a quick buck. Some mean well, but don’t really have a very advanced understanding of what they’re doing. Some are convinced they know what they’re doing, but are making assumptions that may or may not be true because they have formal training in psychology or hypnosis or some other discipline and assume that applies to scripting subliminals when it may not. </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">Then there are a small number of us who are trying very hard to do the exhaustive research, development and experimentation to understand how to make subliminals that actually and genuinely achieve their intended goals for the benefit of the user. I classify myself as one of these, and to the best of my knowledge I can honestly say that I can count all of the subliminals producers I know of who do this on one hand and have multiple fingers and a thumb left over. </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">Also in the interest of honesty, my goal has  always been to give people every tool they need to logically conclude that my subliminals actually work without having to trust me or believe any of what I say. To this end, my company, Indigo Mind Labs, offers several full version (but older) subliminals for free for you to try for yourself and see what they do without having to pay for them first. See for yourself. We don’t ask for faith or try to convince you with advertising.</span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">We also have a public forum where you can read about the experiences of others who have purchased and used my subliminals, and their successes and failures are on display for the world to see. We have to keep a tight reign on what we allow on the forum, but if you read our rules, you’ll see that what we’re interested in is preserving the forum as a community where people can come to get help from me and my assistant Ben quickly and directly, as well as help one another and give me fast, direct and honest feedback that I use to know what’s working and what isn’t. I use that feedback to make rapid improvements to my methods and techniques. The result is generations of subliminal build and scripting techniques and technology that have progressively increasing advancement, ability and effectiveness. We are one of the extremely few, and we were the first, to do anything like this.</span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">Let me make one thing abundantly clear: Subliminal audio has amazing potential for making the world a better place, but it also need to be scripted, built and used correctly for that to happen. If we knew everything there was to know, everyone would get perfect results and we would not need to continually work to study the results our customers get and advance the techniques and technologies we use to script and build them. Not everyone will get great results, but that is the way things work when you consider the real world as opposed to an advertisement. We don’t try to hide that, and we have a very generous refund policy to cover you if you purchase something from us and it doesn’t get you the intended results. </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">I hope this discussion has been interesting and informative for you, and I’d like to introduce myself to you now. My name is Shannon Matteson. I am the founder and one of the owners of Indigo Mind Labs, as well as the one who creates the subliminal scripts and builds those scripts into the actual subliminal audio programs we offer. I created my first subliminal back in 1991 when I needed help with my grades in high school but I could not buy a subliminal to help me with that because I didn’t have a job. It worked so well that people began asking me how I was getting those results, and it wasn’t long before people started asking me to make them various programs of their own. Before too long, I realized that I could either work or start a business doing this, but not both. </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">It was 2003 (as best I remember) that I started an eBay store called Ultrasonic Subliminals. In 2008, due to various issues, including endless competition, how long it took and how much it cost to create, label, package and ship a physical CD and eBay getting greedy with insane fees for everything, I had to shut down that store when I realized one day that I had worked from dawn to dusk filling dozens of orders for that day and still made way too little in profits. In 2010 my business partner and I opened Indigo Mind Labs and our forum, Subliminal Talk, and began selling my subliminals as instant downloads. We have been open and serving the public ever since, as I continually advance my methods, techniques and understanding of how to make subliminals better, more effective, faster acting and more powerful.</span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">Some of the things I have contributed to the field of subliminals are:</span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><ul class="mycode_list"><li><span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">I was the first to offer specific detailed instructions on how to use subliminals to achieve the desired goals.</span><br />
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<li><span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">I was the first to realize that the early generation subliminals need to be used much more than an hour a day for 30 days for some people to get noticeable results.</span><br />
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<li><span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">I was the first to introduce dual format subliminals, offering one title with two different build methods (masked and ultrasonic formats). Later, I began offering triple format subliminals, which included masked, ultrasonic and hybrid formats.</span><br />
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<li><span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">I was the one to discover that 17.5 kHz is the best carrier frequency for ultrasonic subliminals.  Before that most ultrasonics were designed to use 14.5 kHz or 15.5 kHz as the carrier frequency.  Now, 17.5 kHz is ubiquitous as the standard carrier frequency for ultrasonics.</span><br />
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<li><span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">I was the first subliminal producer to make subliminals that could achieve noticeable results in less than a month which were demonstrably not placebo effect, first reducing the time to weeks, then days, and finally hours or even minutes or seconds to see real results from my subliminals. (Please note that subliminals designed to cause physical changes to the body still require at least days, weeks or [in the case of changing bone tissue] even months to notice a difference because of how slow the physical body is to make changes.)</span><br />
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<li><span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">I was the first (and may be the only) subliminal audio creator to realize and understand that subconscious fear is the prime reason why subliminals may be resisted and or fail even if they are made, scripted and used properly.</span><br />
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<li><span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">I am the first and (to my knowledge only one) to have developed a solution to that subconscious fear, even if it is not a perfect solution at this writing.</span><br />
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<li><span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">I am the first and to the best of my knowledge the only one to study, record and classify the different ways the subconscious attempts to sabotage the success of a subliminal program.</span><br />
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<li><span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">I was the first to create a subliminal designed to amplify how well and how effectively the immune system works, and to this day, I believe that my Maximum Immune Response subliminal remains the best of it’s kind available anywhere and at any price.</span><br />
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<li><span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">To the best of my knowledge, I was the first to create a functional and effective subliminal pain relief program, which has become our General Pain Relief program, and it is, as far as I know, also the best of its kind. </span><br />
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<li><span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">To the best of my knowledge, Indigo Mind Labs was the first to have a forum dedicated entirely to subliminals, and our Subliminal Talk forum is the longest running active subliminal discussion forum in the world, opening and being active since January of 2010. </span><br />
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<li><span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">I was the first to create “instant on” subliminal technology, allowing a subliminal to start having noticeable non-placebo results in three minutes or less (and in some cases, mere seconds).</span><br />
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<li><span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">I was the first to build subliminals and continue to improve them instead of just building a library of titles, advertising and only answering emails. This started in 2003 when I began selling my subliminals on eBay, and is what resulted in our subliminal technology generations, which I am still improving to this very day.</span><br />
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<li><span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">I was the first to discover that it is possible to, and then develop a subliminal script to achieve what I refer to as TID, or "Temporal Impact Displacement”, which allows you to in some cases begin experiencing the effects of a subliminal <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">before</span> you start using it.</span><br />
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<li><span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">I am the one and only subliminal producer, to the best of my knowledge, to have developed a subliminal designed to remove all fears completely, which actually has a positive successful impact on the user’s fears.</span><br />
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<li><span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">To the best of my knowledge, I am the only subliminals producer to figure out why penis enlargement subliminals don’t work, and how to make them work.</span><br />
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<li><span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">To the best of my knowledge, I was the first subliminal producer to discover that the endocrine system can be manipulated to a high degree of success using subliminals, which allows both hormonal adjustment and pheromonal adjustment to be accomplished with a subliminal audio only.</span><br />
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</ul>
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<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">I tell you this not to brag but so that you can see that I have the experience, skill, knowledge, expertise and understanding to make world class top tier subliminals.  I don't need or want you to "believe in" my subliminals or "have faith" that they work.  If you haven't already tried them, I invite you to see for yourself, and make your own decision about subliminals, and how well my subliminals in particular perform.<br />
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">You are not who or what you think you are.</span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">This will probably come as a big surprise to you, but “you” are not what or who you think you are. </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">It is a very good bet that what you believe to be “you” has grown up believing that every morning, you wake up and every night you go to sleep and while you are asleep, you’re asleep and while you’re awake, you’re awake. </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">But what if that isn’t you? What if that is just a part of you, and not even the biggest, most important, or even the dominant part of you? The fact is, it’s true. What “you” have always thought of as being “you” is just a small part of what and who the whole “you” actually is.</span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">So what and who is the “real you”? Well, first you must understand that “you” exist as not just one awareness, or even one type of awareness, but multiple different awarenesses which each have different parts and levels of awareness within themselves, and sometimes different ways of thinking, experiencing the world and understanding things.</span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">The simplest way to define them is to separate them into the supposedly “conscious” mind, and what we call the “subconscious” mind. Some also posit a “superconscious” mind, but for the our poses of this discussion, we will stick with conscious and subconscious.</span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">What I will be sharing here with you now is what I have learned through working as a subliminals creator since 1991. I’ll explain what subliminals are a little later on in this discussion.</span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">What is the conscious mind?</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">The so-called “conscious” mind in a human being is the part of your awareness that wakes up in the morning, goes to sleep at night, and allows you to function in specific ways during it’s time awake. It has the ability to focus, to rationalize, to use logic. It can do math, understands time as a "point of now", comprehends a "past" and "future" and is capable of critical thinking. It is very limited in its ability to think and remember things, however, needing to focus on just one thing at a time and being able to remember only about seven things at a time at maximum. </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">This is the type and level of awareness you are experiencing right now as being what dominates your awareness.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">What is the subconscious mind?</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">The subconscious, on the other hand, seems to be composed of several levels and parts for each level. You have what I call the “shallow subconscious” and the “deep subconscious”. Unlike the conscious mind, the subconscious (or some part of it) automatically remembers everything you ever experience through all of your senses, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 364.25 days a year, for your whole life. It (or some part of it) never forgets anything, but its memories are not necessarily easily accessed by the conscious mind. (That is why sometimes you can't remember things at the conscious level.)</span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">Also unlike the conscious mind, the subconscious is capable of doing more than one or two things at a time. In fact, it has been estimated by some researchers that just keeping your body alive requires your subconscious to be simultaneously doing hundreds of thousands to possibly a million or more different things simultaneously at all times. This includes regulating the brain’s activity, the heart, the muscles involved in digestion, the nervous system, the circulatory system, the immune system, the body’s digestion, the kidneys, the liver, the lungs, the endocrine system, and all the other systems of the body. Everything that your body seems to do automagically to stay alive is happening because of the actions and governance of one or more parts of your subconscious mind.</span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">On top of all this, your subconscious is capable of doing many more things still, all at the same time. Furthermore, it has a much wider range of sensory awareness than your conscious mind, and it is not always rational in nature. In fact the majority of the subconscious mind, at the least, seems to be focused through emotional awareness, and is irrational, creative and intuitive in nature instead of logical. Parts of it, at least, are illogical and is capable of unquestioningly believing whatever you tell it is true, as long as you communicate that thing in the right way and at the right time. Even if that thing is blatantly, obviously and demonstrably false – which is a big part of why so many people have so many issues that they have trouble solving.  The subconscious awareness disagrees with the conscious mind.</span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">The subconscious has other interesting and amazing differences from the conscious mind as well. It can understand multiple conversations being spoken at the same time, and it does not experience time the way the conscious mind does. The deeper into the subconscious awareness you go, the less your subconscious experiences time as a “point of now” (as the conscious mind does) and the more it experiences "now" as more of a smear. That means that some part of you thinks “now” is what your conscious mind experiences as everything from X units of time into the supposed “past” to Y units of time into the supposed "future". At the deepest levels, time ceases to have any meaning, because all of what we would call the past and future becomes simultaneous with the "now".</span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">Even more interesting, every "version" of you at every age still exists within your subconscious awareness, and certain experiences can cause the crystallization of a particular version of you and cause it to become a static and prominent fixture within your subconscious awareness and decision making process. Such crystalizations of your "past" selves will thereafter influence your conscious self in subtle, but powerful ways that direct your actions, choices, thoughts and feelings, along with all of the other crystallizations and the rest of your subconscious self. This is why I believe that “inner child” work is important and useful, and certainly is not limited to inner children.</span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">The subconscious is the real operating system for the biological supercomputer that is your brain, and it influences and directs the majority of our choices, even while the conscious mind thinks it is making the majority of the choices and decisions. Have you ever seen someone who, in spite of their best conscious efforts, could not prevent themselves from doing some specific thing they wanted to do, or was unable to do some thing they were trying to do? That happens when the subconscious desires conflict with and override the conscious desires. Since the subconscious is so dominant and subtle, and the conscious mind must rest, the subconscious always wins.The conscious usually doesn't even notice what the subconscious is doing to defeat it!</span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">A good example of this would be those people who get fed up with being overweight, so they change their eating and exercise habits and achieve their goal weight, only to have all that weight and more come back afterwards. What happens is that the conscious temporarily takes charge and overrides the subconscious by force of will, directing the person to achieve the goal, which they do; but when the goal is achieved, they (the conscious self) stop trying, because the stated goal has been reached. Then the subconscious takes over in slow, subtle ways and returns the person to what it desires instead. For this reason, the only ways to lose weight and keep it off are to either permanently change your lifestyle, and not your temporary eating and exercise habits, or to change what your subconscious believes to be true that results in the consciously undesirable physical body size and weight.</span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">In other words, "conscious" you must communicate with your subconscious awareness and change what programming it runs on and executes. Parts of your subconscious are absolutely literal, and parts are not; but the majority of, if not all of your subconscious is emotional and irrational in its thinking and comprehension, and is capable of accepting something as valid and true regardless of whether or not it actually is, regardless of the facts and evidence. </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">It is what we accept as true that creates our beliefs, and our beliefs that result in our thoughts and choices. It is our thoughts, beliefs and choices that then result in our lives as we experience them at a conscious level. So it makes sense that to change your life, you must change what you believe to be true at the deepest levels, which is the subconscious.</span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">The methods for doing that are many and varied, and include hypnosis, NLP, affirmations and subliminals, among others. My specialty is making subliminals to help people change their beliefs in the ways that allow them to then change their lives in the ways they want to change their lives and achieve goals they would not or could not have otherwise.</span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">What is a subliminal?</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">While some people know what a subliminal is, most people do not, so I will explain. The word subliminal is composed of the prefix "sub-", the root word "limen", and the suffix "-al".  Sub means “below”. Limen is Latin for limit or threshold, and the suffix “al” means “referring to”. So the word “subliminal” means “referring to that which is below the threshold”. Below the threshold of what? The awareness of your conscious mind, of course.</span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">Remember I said earlier that your subconscious mind has a much wider range of sensory awareness than your conscious mind. That is partly because of the exquisite sensitivity of the subconscious, and partly because the conscious mind has such a limited ability to pay attention to only one or two things at a time. The result is that the conscious mind is much better at paying attention to much more obvious things your senses report, and the subconscious is able to take in everything else that your conscious awareness missed.</span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">But that means that if we have a way of communicating information that the conscious mind either doesn’t notice or cannot comprehend, but the subconscious can and does, then we have successfully bypassed the logical gatekeeper of the mind, the conscious awareness, and can communicate with the subconscious mind directly. </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">Subliminal messages </span>do exactly that.</span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">Because your subconscious is paying attention to to all of your physical senses at once, all the time, this range of awareness below the conscious comprehension or detection, but above the lower limits of what the sense can actually pick up, is capable of producing subliminal information through all five of your physical senses. While I am referring to audio subliminals,  when I talk about "subliminals" or "subliminal messages", it is possible to create visual, scent, taste and physical touch based subliminals also. In fact some stores have been known to use audio and scent based subliminals (the faint scent of buttered popcorn, in the case I am talking about) to influence and direct customer choices as to what to buy and when. As far as I know, those practices are illegal and have long since been put to rest at this time.</span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">I create audio subliminals, and the vast majority of subliminal programs are purely auditory in nature. Visual subliminals can also be used and the two can even be combined, but that is much less common. </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">How do subliminals work?</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">As I stated before, subliminals bypass the conscious mind (which is supposed to act as a sort of gatekeeper for the subconscious mind, filtering things out if they don't make sense) by introducing a stimulus – in the case of audio subliminals, this is usually a spoken statement of some sort – directly to the subconscious part of your awareness by either being too faint for the conscious mind to notice or outside its range of sensory ability to make sense of, while remaining within the ability and range of the subconscious to detect and decipher.</span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">The spoken subliminal statement is a communication to the subconscious, which, if worded correctly, will be understood by the subconscious as an instruction. When the instruction is properly understood as such, the natural inclination of the subconscious mind – or at least some parts of it – is to automatically act to as if that instruction is true, which in effect makes it true. The result is what we call execution of the subliminal script, and a change in thoughts, beliefs, emotions, perceptions, behavior and even the physical body.  That change will happen  according to what the instructions of the specific script in question actually are and how well they were phrased in accordance with the cognitive ability of the particular part and or level of the subconscious in question.</span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">The key is to communicate the right instructions that result in the desired outcome correctly.</span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">What proof that subliminals work is there? </span></span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">This all may come as quite a surprise to some of you, and you may be thinking that this seems too good to be true, or perhaps think that it’s some sort of scam or snake oil. After all, if you look on the Internet you can find half the claims being made say that subliminals don’t work, and half claiming they do. </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">To make matters even more confusing, the same is true when you start looking into academic studies done on the subject. Some will say they prove that subliminals don’t work, and roughly the same number directly contradict that claim and say that they do. </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">What to believe?</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">I make and sell subliminals for a living, so my point of view can be claimed to be biased because I benefit if you buy my subliminal messaging products. However, I have been doing this since 1991 when I made my first subliminal, and I have done thousands of experiments and tests, some blind, some double blind. My experience has been borne out by my experiments, but my experiments are not formal science. I am working towards a day when I can perform formal clinical trials with independent researchers to prove the results they give, but that day is not yet here.</span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">So in the interest of honesty, I encourage you to do your own research and think for yourself. Don’t take anyone’s word for it; try it yourself. But keep in mind that not all subliminals creators are knowledgeable about what they’re doing, and some are outright scam artists, only in it to make a quick buck. Some mean well, but don’t really have a very advanced understanding of what they’re doing. Some are convinced they know what they’re doing, but are making assumptions that may or may not be true because they have formal training in psychology or hypnosis or some other discipline and assume that applies to scripting subliminals when it may not. </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">Then there are a small number of us who are trying very hard to do the exhaustive research, development and experimentation to understand how to make subliminals that actually and genuinely achieve their intended goals for the benefit of the user. I classify myself as one of these, and to the best of my knowledge I can honestly say that I can count all of the subliminals producers I know of who do this on one hand and have multiple fingers and a thumb left over. </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">Also in the interest of honesty, my goal has  always been to give people every tool they need to logically conclude that my subliminals actually work without having to trust me or believe any of what I say. To this end, my company, Indigo Mind Labs, offers several full version (but older) subliminals for free for you to try for yourself and see what they do without having to pay for them first. See for yourself. We don’t ask for faith or try to convince you with advertising.</span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">We also have a public forum where you can read about the experiences of others who have purchased and used my subliminals, and their successes and failures are on display for the world to see. We have to keep a tight reign on what we allow on the forum, but if you read our rules, you’ll see that what we’re interested in is preserving the forum as a community where people can come to get help from me and my assistant Ben quickly and directly, as well as help one another and give me fast, direct and honest feedback that I use to know what’s working and what isn’t. I use that feedback to make rapid improvements to my methods and techniques. The result is generations of subliminal build and scripting techniques and technology that have progressively increasing advancement, ability and effectiveness. We are one of the extremely few, and we were the first, to do anything like this.</span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">Let me make one thing abundantly clear: Subliminal audio has amazing potential for making the world a better place, but it also need to be scripted, built and used correctly for that to happen. If we knew everything there was to know, everyone would get perfect results and we would not need to continually work to study the results our customers get and advance the techniques and technologies we use to script and build them. Not everyone will get great results, but that is the way things work when you consider the real world as opposed to an advertisement. We don’t try to hide that, and we have a very generous refund policy to cover you if you purchase something from us and it doesn’t get you the intended results. </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">I hope this discussion has been interesting and informative for you, and I’d like to introduce myself to you now. My name is Shannon Matteson. I am the founder and one of the owners of Indigo Mind Labs, as well as the one who creates the subliminal scripts and builds those scripts into the actual subliminal audio programs we offer. I created my first subliminal back in 1991 when I needed help with my grades in high school but I could not buy a subliminal to help me with that because I didn’t have a job. It worked so well that people began asking me how I was getting those results, and it wasn’t long before people started asking me to make them various programs of their own. Before too long, I realized that I could either work or start a business doing this, but not both. </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">It was 2003 (as best I remember) that I started an eBay store called Ultrasonic Subliminals. In 2008, due to various issues, including endless competition, how long it took and how much it cost to create, label, package and ship a physical CD and eBay getting greedy with insane fees for everything, I had to shut down that store when I realized one day that I had worked from dawn to dusk filling dozens of orders for that day and still made way too little in profits. In 2010 my business partner and I opened Indigo Mind Labs and our forum, Subliminal Talk, and began selling my subliminals as instant downloads. We have been open and serving the public ever since, as I continually advance my methods, techniques and understanding of how to make subliminals better, more effective, faster acting and more powerful.</span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">Some of the things I have contributed to the field of subliminals are:</span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"> </span><ul class="mycode_list"><li><span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">I was the first to offer specific detailed instructions on how to use subliminals to achieve the desired goals.</span><br />
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<li><span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">I was the first to realize that the early generation subliminals need to be used much more than an hour a day for 30 days for some people to get noticeable results.</span><br />
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<li><span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">I was the first to introduce dual format subliminals, offering one title with two different build methods (masked and ultrasonic formats). Later, I began offering triple format subliminals, which included masked, ultrasonic and hybrid formats.</span><br />
</li>
<li><span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">I was the one to discover that 17.5 kHz is the best carrier frequency for ultrasonic subliminals.  Before that most ultrasonics were designed to use 14.5 kHz or 15.5 kHz as the carrier frequency.  Now, 17.5 kHz is ubiquitous as the standard carrier frequency for ultrasonics.</span><br />
</li>
<li><span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">I was the first subliminal producer to make subliminals that could achieve noticeable results in less than a month which were demonstrably not placebo effect, first reducing the time to weeks, then days, and finally hours or even minutes or seconds to see real results from my subliminals. (Please note that subliminals designed to cause physical changes to the body still require at least days, weeks or [in the case of changing bone tissue] even months to notice a difference because of how slow the physical body is to make changes.)</span><br />
</li>
<li><span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">I was the first (and may be the only) subliminal audio creator to realize and understand that subconscious fear is the prime reason why subliminals may be resisted and or fail even if they are made, scripted and used properly.</span><br />
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<li><span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">I am the first and (to my knowledge only one) to have developed a solution to that subconscious fear, even if it is not a perfect solution at this writing.</span><br />
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<li><span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">I am the first and to the best of my knowledge the only one to study, record and classify the different ways the subconscious attempts to sabotage the success of a subliminal program.</span><br />
</li>
<li><span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">I was the first to create a subliminal designed to amplify how well and how effectively the immune system works, and to this day, I believe that my Maximum Immune Response subliminal remains the best of it’s kind available anywhere and at any price.</span><br />
</li>
<li><span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">To the best of my knowledge, I was the first to create a functional and effective subliminal pain relief program, which has become our General Pain Relief program, and it is, as far as I know, also the best of its kind. </span><br />
</li>
<li><span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">To the best of my knowledge, Indigo Mind Labs was the first to have a forum dedicated entirely to subliminals, and our Subliminal Talk forum is the longest running active subliminal discussion forum in the world, opening and being active since January of 2010. </span><br />
</li>
<li><span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">I was the first to create “instant on” subliminal technology, allowing a subliminal to start having noticeable non-placebo results in three minutes or less (and in some cases, mere seconds).</span><br />
</li>
<li><span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">I was the first to build subliminals and continue to improve them instead of just building a library of titles, advertising and only answering emails. This started in 2003 when I began selling my subliminals on eBay, and is what resulted in our subliminal technology generations, which I am still improving to this very day.</span><br />
</li>
<li><span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">I was the first to discover that it is possible to, and then develop a subliminal script to achieve what I refer to as TID, or "Temporal Impact Displacement”, which allows you to in some cases begin experiencing the effects of a subliminal <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">before</span> you start using it.</span><br />
</li>
<li><span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">I am the one and only subliminal producer, to the best of my knowledge, to have developed a subliminal designed to remove all fears completely, which actually has a positive successful impact on the user’s fears.</span><br />
</li>
<li><span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">To the best of my knowledge, I am the only subliminals producer to figure out why penis enlargement subliminals don’t work, and how to make them work.</span><br />
</li>
<li><span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">To the best of my knowledge, I was the first subliminal producer to discover that the endocrine system can be manipulated to a high degree of success using subliminals, which allows both hormonal adjustment and pheromonal adjustment to be accomplished with a subliminal audio only.</span><br />
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</ul>
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<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color">I tell you this not to brag but so that you can see that I have the experience, skill, knowledge, expertise and understanding to make world class top tier subliminals.  I don't need or want you to "believe in" my subliminals or "have faith" that they work.  If you haven't already tried them, I invite you to see for yourself, and make your own decision about subliminals, and how well my subliminals in particular perform.<br />
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			<title><![CDATA[More power than your body has room for!]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[I recently stumbled across a post on a forum where one of the people posting in the thread stated that they were using subliminals by a producer who had "what may be the most powerful subliminals on earth" because he uses 1 septillion different voices at a time, and they're all adjusted by pitch to allow the subconscious to differentiate and understand them.<br />
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For reference in the rest of this post, I quote: "The affirmations are repeated 1.8×e^4240 times per second." and he says "I made enough different pitches of the voices to attempt to replicate 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (1 septillion) different voices" such that "the subconscious can tell apart the different layers."<br />
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I'm going to give it the benefit of the doubt and say they must have been joking, because it would be so far beyond ludicrous to believe this to be true that you'd have to completely ignore even the smallest hints of logic, reason and common sense.  But in case they weren't, and someone actually believes claims like this, let's look at this with some logic and show why it's so ridiculous that there are no words in the English language that adequately describe how ridiculous, preposterous and flat out insane it actually is...  <br />
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1.8×e^4240 (1.8 to the 4240th power) translates to "Overflow: the result couldn’t be calculated" in the scientific calculator running on my production system.  Each one of those 4,240 represents the original number (1.8) being multiplied by itself as many times as the exponent; that's what a "power" means.  So in this case, 1.8 multiplied by itself again and again, a total of 4,240 times. <br />
<br />
The number that results is so stupendously large that it is absolutely meaningless outside of exponential format, and no human could possibly ever even hope to comprehend it. I suspect that outside of certain niche scientific fields, it is far beyond absurdly useless in it's size.<br />
<br />
In fact it's so large that no computer or calculator I can find will work with it for me to show how preposterous it is.  They all just throw errors when I enter that value.  That's how ridiculously, insanely preposterous it is.  We can't even work with it.<br />
<br />
Let's look at the claim of "a septillion voices all at once", separated by pitch such that all those layers could be told apart by the subconscious.  At least a calculator can represent and work with that number to <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">some</span> degree before it dies of exhaustion!<br />
<br />
According to the experiments I have done, the subconscious mind can usually detect audio between a pitch of about 5-15 cycles per second on the low end and around 27,000 cycles per second on the high end.  These appear to be the limits of audio input through the ears, and they far exceed what the conscious mind can detect through the ears, which is typically 20 cycles per second  on the low end to around 14,500 cycles per second on the high end for most people.  Let's presume this gives us 24,995 different whole number values for cycles per second pitches to use.<br />
<br />
But if we are trying to divide 1 septillion by 24,995, that means that there must be how many different pitches per whole number of the pitches that a human body can perceive at the subconscious level?  Well, my calculator responds to this calculation with the error message, "Malformed expression".  In other words, this calculation is so preposterous that even a desktop scientific calculator app can't handle it.<br />
<br />
According to Google, a septillion divided by 25,000 is 4e+19.  If I recall correctly, that translates to 4 with 19 zeroes after it.  So 40,000,000,000,000,000,000, or 40 quintillion.  That's how many different voices would have to be spread across every hertz (one cycle per second) of difference in pitch frequency, if there were a septillion voices at once.  There would be 40 quintillion different voices, all at different pitches that were 1/40 quintillionth of a cycle per second different, just going from a pitch of 24,995 cycles per second to 24,994 cycles per second.<br />
<br />
Now my question to you is, what digital audio workstation (DAW) can even create two sounds that have that much resolution to their pitch values?  Not a one, because <span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">no such thing exists.</span>  Two sounds that are 1/40 quinitillionth of a second different in pitch simply cannot be created by any modern computer.  No audio recording format has that level of pitch resolution designed into them.  And even if they could, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference, because <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">your ears simply cannot register pitch differences that minute</span>.  Not even close!  <br />
<br />
But let's play around with this for a minute, presuming that your ears and subconscious and physical brain, all of which are different beasts entirely, could all register pitch differences down to 1/40 qunitillionth of a second.  What then?  Then you'd have to be able to differentiate that many different sounds at once.  Once again, <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">your ears and brain simply cannot do that</span>; they just don't have the resolution to even separate or process 10,000 voices at once, never mind 40 quintillion, and they sure as hell cannot differentiate a septillion.<br />
<br />
But wait, there's more!  For you to have a track composed of a septillion voices, you would have to make a mixdown of 1 septillion tracks.  There is no digital audio workstation software <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">in the world</span> that can handle 1 septillion, or even 40 quintillion, tracks at a time. Sorry.<br />
<br />
But if there was, how long would it take just to create the empty tracks, without even loading any audio into them?  If we estimate that a fast DAW on a fast computer can create 10,000 empty tracks per second - I don't know how many it can create, but this seems like at least a plausible maximum number - then it would take 1e+20 seconds - one hundred quintillion seconds - which is 3.17 BILLION years.  Just to create that many empty tracks to hold the audio we want to work with.  If we say it can create 100,000 empty tracks per second, we still have to wait a whopping 31.7 million years!<br />
<br />
Then, there is also no disk file system <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">in the world</span> that can keep track of one septillion files at once, although Google's AI seems to think NTFS could "potentially" do so, as it can handle up to 8 petabytes of disk space.  But, if each "track" were just <span style="text-decoration: underline;" class="mycode_u">one byte</span> (which is one character, like a single X) you'd have a septillion bytes, which translates to one yottabyte of disk space, which is VASTLY bigger than any hard drive or any other storage format on earth. Never heard of a yottabyte?  Neither had I, and I used to work in computers for a decade.  This is what Google tells me in response to the question, "What comes after a terabyte?"<br />
<br />
"Petabytes, exabytes, zettabytes, yottabytes, and brontobytes are all units of measurement that come after terabytes. Each unit is 1,000 times larger than the previous one."  Some people may argue that Google is wrong, because computers work in powers of 2, meaning every one of them is not 1,000 times bigger than the last, but 1,024 times.  Let's use 1024, since that's what the computer will use.<br />
<br />
So to help you comprehend to some small degree how insanely large a yottabyte of disk space is, let's break it down.<br />
<br />
A <span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">byte</span> is one character, like X.<br />
A <span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">kilobyte</span> is 1,024 bytes. (Thousands of bytes.)<br />
A <span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">megabyte</span> is 1,024 kilobytes. (Millions.)<br />
A <span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">gigabyte</span> is 1,024 megabytes. (Billions.)<br />
A <span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">terabyte</span> is 1,024 gigabytes. (Trillions.)<br />
A <span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">petabyte</span> is 1,024 terabytes. (Quadrillions.)<br />
An <span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">exabyte</span> is 1,024 petabytes. (Quintillions.)<br />
A <span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">zettabyte</span> is 1,024 exabytes (Sextillions).<br />
A <span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">yottabyte</span> is 1,024 zettabytes. (Septillions.)<br />
And a <span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">brontobyte</span> is 1,024 yottabytes. (Octillions.)<br />
<br />
Even if each of 1 septillion "tracks" were just <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">one byte</span>, the smallest size of a sector you can store data to in a file system is 512 bytes.  Which means that if we store each "track" as just <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">one byte</span>, that 1 septillion tracks track would not need 1 septillion bytes of storage space to store, it would need 512 times that, or 512 yottabytes!  Again, vastly more than anything on earth.  But according to Google, modern file systems use a <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">minimum</span> sector size of 4,096 bytes, which means at one byte per "track", you would need 4,096 yottabytes, or 4 <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">brontobytes</span>!<br />
<br />
But wait!  <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">It gets even more preposterous!!</span> If we have just 1 second of audio data per track, and we use the current <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">bare minimum</span> audio resolution for audio production, which is 44,100 samples per second, and we say that it requires 1 processor operation to process one of those samples, then how long would it take to mix down a septillion tracks using the fastest supercomputer we currently have?<br />
<br />
According to Google, the fastest supercomputer in the world right now is called Frontier, and it can do more than 1 quintillion calculations per second.  Let's round this to an even 1 quintillion to make it easier to work with.  A septillion tracks divided by 1 quintillion operations per second gives us 1 million seconds of processing time required.  That's "only" 11.5740741 days to theoretically mix that many tracks down, if we ignore a lot of factors that would make it take longer. <br />
<br />
1 septillion tracks of 1 second each at 44,100 sample rate with that processing speed at one operation per sample mixed down is 1 septillion times 44,100 divided by the speed of processing.  1 septillion times the sample rate of 44,100 is 4.41e+28 calculations, and this can be performed at 1 quintillion calculations per second, resulting in a time to process the mixdown of just one second of audio on 1 septillion tacks of 44,100,000,000 seconds, which is 1,397.473368 years.  <br />
<br />
And this is if we <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">completely ignore </span>all the processing power needed at the same time to run the operating system and do all of everything necessary to enable the computer to actually perform this mixdown operation, <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">AND</span> we assume that each sample only needs 1 operation of processing time in the processing of the mixdown. (It would almost certainly need more.)<br />
<br />
Are you beginning to see just how far beyond insanely, ridiculously preposterous it is for anyone to say that they made a single track that consists of a septillion different voices at once?  Or say that any supercomputer or software could create or process it?  Or any hard drive could store the data necessary to make it?  Or that anyone has access to a computer that could do this in a single human lifetime?  We didn't even take into consideration how long it would take to <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">save</span> that mixdown, or how much RAM would be required to perform the calculations necessary to do the mixdown!<br />
I'm really hoping the original poster of that statement was joking.  <br />
<br />
Oh, and just for your information... I do NOT use 1 septillion voices at a time in my subliminals, and I do NOT use 1.8^4240 repetitions per second... Not even close.  Why?  Because that would take longer than 60 million years to make if I had the most powerful supercomputer in the world, more disk space than humankind has ever created, more electricity than is available in the entire world and somehow could mix down that many tracks at once. And the result would just be... white noise.  Which you can generate for yourself, in seconds, for free.<br />
<br />
For comparison, I use a very specific number of voices (which doesn't end in a 0 or a 5!) that has been carefully calculated to work with the limits of what your ears, your brain and your subconscious can actually input, decode, decipher and execute.  It took me more than a decade to work out what that value was based on real research and real live experimentation.  And as for repetitions per second, there is no realistic way for me to calculate that.  That's the truth, and those are the facts.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[I recently stumbled across a post on a forum where one of the people posting in the thread stated that they were using subliminals by a producer who had "what may be the most powerful subliminals on earth" because he uses 1 septillion different voices at a time, and they're all adjusted by pitch to allow the subconscious to differentiate and understand them.<br />
<br />
For reference in the rest of this post, I quote: "The affirmations are repeated 1.8×e^4240 times per second." and he says "I made enough different pitches of the voices to attempt to replicate 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (1 septillion) different voices" such that "the subconscious can tell apart the different layers."<br />
<br />
I'm going to give it the benefit of the doubt and say they must have been joking, because it would be so far beyond ludicrous to believe this to be true that you'd have to completely ignore even the smallest hints of logic, reason and common sense.  But in case they weren't, and someone actually believes claims like this, let's look at this with some logic and show why it's so ridiculous that there are no words in the English language that adequately describe how ridiculous, preposterous and flat out insane it actually is...  <br />
<br />
1.8×e^4240 (1.8 to the 4240th power) translates to "Overflow: the result couldn’t be calculated" in the scientific calculator running on my production system.  Each one of those 4,240 represents the original number (1.8) being multiplied by itself as many times as the exponent; that's what a "power" means.  So in this case, 1.8 multiplied by itself again and again, a total of 4,240 times. <br />
<br />
The number that results is so stupendously large that it is absolutely meaningless outside of exponential format, and no human could possibly ever even hope to comprehend it. I suspect that outside of certain niche scientific fields, it is far beyond absurdly useless in it's size.<br />
<br />
In fact it's so large that no computer or calculator I can find will work with it for me to show how preposterous it is.  They all just throw errors when I enter that value.  That's how ridiculously, insanely preposterous it is.  We can't even work with it.<br />
<br />
Let's look at the claim of "a septillion voices all at once", separated by pitch such that all those layers could be told apart by the subconscious.  At least a calculator can represent and work with that number to <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">some</span> degree before it dies of exhaustion!<br />
<br />
According to the experiments I have done, the subconscious mind can usually detect audio between a pitch of about 5-15 cycles per second on the low end and around 27,000 cycles per second on the high end.  These appear to be the limits of audio input through the ears, and they far exceed what the conscious mind can detect through the ears, which is typically 20 cycles per second  on the low end to around 14,500 cycles per second on the high end for most people.  Let's presume this gives us 24,995 different whole number values for cycles per second pitches to use.<br />
<br />
But if we are trying to divide 1 septillion by 24,995, that means that there must be how many different pitches per whole number of the pitches that a human body can perceive at the subconscious level?  Well, my calculator responds to this calculation with the error message, "Malformed expression".  In other words, this calculation is so preposterous that even a desktop scientific calculator app can't handle it.<br />
<br />
According to Google, a septillion divided by 25,000 is 4e+19.  If I recall correctly, that translates to 4 with 19 zeroes after it.  So 40,000,000,000,000,000,000, or 40 quintillion.  That's how many different voices would have to be spread across every hertz (one cycle per second) of difference in pitch frequency, if there were a septillion voices at once.  There would be 40 quintillion different voices, all at different pitches that were 1/40 quintillionth of a cycle per second different, just going from a pitch of 24,995 cycles per second to 24,994 cycles per second.<br />
<br />
Now my question to you is, what digital audio workstation (DAW) can even create two sounds that have that much resolution to their pitch values?  Not a one, because <span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">no such thing exists.</span>  Two sounds that are 1/40 quinitillionth of a second different in pitch simply cannot be created by any modern computer.  No audio recording format has that level of pitch resolution designed into them.  And even if they could, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference, because <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">your ears simply cannot register pitch differences that minute</span>.  Not even close!  <br />
<br />
But let's play around with this for a minute, presuming that your ears and subconscious and physical brain, all of which are different beasts entirely, could all register pitch differences down to 1/40 qunitillionth of a second.  What then?  Then you'd have to be able to differentiate that many different sounds at once.  Once again, <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">your ears and brain simply cannot do that</span>; they just don't have the resolution to even separate or process 10,000 voices at once, never mind 40 quintillion, and they sure as hell cannot differentiate a septillion.<br />
<br />
But wait, there's more!  For you to have a track composed of a septillion voices, you would have to make a mixdown of 1 septillion tracks.  There is no digital audio workstation software <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">in the world</span> that can handle 1 septillion, or even 40 quintillion, tracks at a time. Sorry.<br />
<br />
But if there was, how long would it take just to create the empty tracks, without even loading any audio into them?  If we estimate that a fast DAW on a fast computer can create 10,000 empty tracks per second - I don't know how many it can create, but this seems like at least a plausible maximum number - then it would take 1e+20 seconds - one hundred quintillion seconds - which is 3.17 BILLION years.  Just to create that many empty tracks to hold the audio we want to work with.  If we say it can create 100,000 empty tracks per second, we still have to wait a whopping 31.7 million years!<br />
<br />
Then, there is also no disk file system <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">in the world</span> that can keep track of one septillion files at once, although Google's AI seems to think NTFS could "potentially" do so, as it can handle up to 8 petabytes of disk space.  But, if each "track" were just <span style="text-decoration: underline;" class="mycode_u">one byte</span> (which is one character, like a single X) you'd have a septillion bytes, which translates to one yottabyte of disk space, which is VASTLY bigger than any hard drive or any other storage format on earth. Never heard of a yottabyte?  Neither had I, and I used to work in computers for a decade.  This is what Google tells me in response to the question, "What comes after a terabyte?"<br />
<br />
"Petabytes, exabytes, zettabytes, yottabytes, and brontobytes are all units of measurement that come after terabytes. Each unit is 1,000 times larger than the previous one."  Some people may argue that Google is wrong, because computers work in powers of 2, meaning every one of them is not 1,000 times bigger than the last, but 1,024 times.  Let's use 1024, since that's what the computer will use.<br />
<br />
So to help you comprehend to some small degree how insanely large a yottabyte of disk space is, let's break it down.<br />
<br />
A <span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">byte</span> is one character, like X.<br />
A <span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">kilobyte</span> is 1,024 bytes. (Thousands of bytes.)<br />
A <span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">megabyte</span> is 1,024 kilobytes. (Millions.)<br />
A <span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">gigabyte</span> is 1,024 megabytes. (Billions.)<br />
A <span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">terabyte</span> is 1,024 gigabytes. (Trillions.)<br />
A <span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">petabyte</span> is 1,024 terabytes. (Quadrillions.)<br />
An <span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">exabyte</span> is 1,024 petabytes. (Quintillions.)<br />
A <span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">zettabyte</span> is 1,024 exabytes (Sextillions).<br />
A <span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">yottabyte</span> is 1,024 zettabytes. (Septillions.)<br />
And a <span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">brontobyte</span> is 1,024 yottabytes. (Octillions.)<br />
<br />
Even if each of 1 septillion "tracks" were just <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">one byte</span>, the smallest size of a sector you can store data to in a file system is 512 bytes.  Which means that if we store each "track" as just <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">one byte</span>, that 1 septillion tracks track would not need 1 septillion bytes of storage space to store, it would need 512 times that, or 512 yottabytes!  Again, vastly more than anything on earth.  But according to Google, modern file systems use a <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">minimum</span> sector size of 4,096 bytes, which means at one byte per "track", you would need 4,096 yottabytes, or 4 <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">brontobytes</span>!<br />
<br />
But wait!  <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">It gets even more preposterous!!</span> If we have just 1 second of audio data per track, and we use the current <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">bare minimum</span> audio resolution for audio production, which is 44,100 samples per second, and we say that it requires 1 processor operation to process one of those samples, then how long would it take to mix down a septillion tracks using the fastest supercomputer we currently have?<br />
<br />
According to Google, the fastest supercomputer in the world right now is called Frontier, and it can do more than 1 quintillion calculations per second.  Let's round this to an even 1 quintillion to make it easier to work with.  A septillion tracks divided by 1 quintillion operations per second gives us 1 million seconds of processing time required.  That's "only" 11.5740741 days to theoretically mix that many tracks down, if we ignore a lot of factors that would make it take longer. <br />
<br />
1 septillion tracks of 1 second each at 44,100 sample rate with that processing speed at one operation per sample mixed down is 1 septillion times 44,100 divided by the speed of processing.  1 septillion times the sample rate of 44,100 is 4.41e+28 calculations, and this can be performed at 1 quintillion calculations per second, resulting in a time to process the mixdown of just one second of audio on 1 septillion tacks of 44,100,000,000 seconds, which is 1,397.473368 years.  <br />
<br />
And this is if we <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">completely ignore </span>all the processing power needed at the same time to run the operating system and do all of everything necessary to enable the computer to actually perform this mixdown operation, <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">AND</span> we assume that each sample only needs 1 operation of processing time in the processing of the mixdown. (It would almost certainly need more.)<br />
<br />
Are you beginning to see just how far beyond insanely, ridiculously preposterous it is for anyone to say that they made a single track that consists of a septillion different voices at once?  Or say that any supercomputer or software could create or process it?  Or any hard drive could store the data necessary to make it?  Or that anyone has access to a computer that could do this in a single human lifetime?  We didn't even take into consideration how long it would take to <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">save</span> that mixdown, or how much RAM would be required to perform the calculations necessary to do the mixdown!<br />
I'm really hoping the original poster of that statement was joking.  <br />
<br />
Oh, and just for your information... I do NOT use 1 septillion voices at a time in my subliminals, and I do NOT use 1.8^4240 repetitions per second... Not even close.  Why?  Because that would take longer than 60 million years to make if I had the most powerful supercomputer in the world, more disk space than humankind has ever created, more electricity than is available in the entire world and somehow could mix down that many tracks at once. And the result would just be... white noise.  Which you can generate for yourself, in seconds, for free.<br />
<br />
For comparison, I use a very specific number of voices (which doesn't end in a 0 or a 5!) that has been carefully calculated to work with the limits of what your ears, your brain and your subconscious can actually input, decode, decipher and execute.  It took me more than a decade to work out what that value was based on real research and real live experimentation.  And as for repetitions per second, there is no realistic way for me to calculate that.  That's the truth, and those are the facts.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Bluetooth's glass ceiling]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 10 Mar 2024 18:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[So it's come to my attention that Bluetooth headphones can really mangle up a good quality audio file. How do you know if it's happening to you? You need to check the codec your phone is using. This determines the bit rate of the audio that is transferred over the Bluetooth connection.<br />
<br />
On an Android, this means navigating to Settings &gt; About Phone &gt; Software Information. Then tap on Build Number seven times in a row. You'll be prompted to enter your password and this activates Developer Options.<br />
<br />
Go to Developer Options, and from there you can navigate to Bluetooth Audio Codec. For almost all devices, the default the low-quality codec, SBC. AAC is slightly better and is apparently the default for iPhones. I've read that AAC is the best that Apple will offer.<br />
<br />
Both these defaults are low quality audio; they use less power and have greater range. Both are going to mangle your subs.<br />
<br />
So you'll want to upgrade. The trick is finding a device that supports a high-res codec that's also compatible with your headphones.<br />
<br />
As usual, your best audio option is probably Sony. As to their Bluetooth codec, LDAC, WhatHifi says, "LDAC allows you to stream high-resolution audio up to 32-bit/96kHz over Bluetooth at up to 990kbps." <br />
<br />
The only one better is aptX lossless, which apparently reaches 1,200kbps (a CD plays at 1,400kbps). "While it does use compression, aptX lossless produces results akin to FLAC." <br />
<br />
The problem is that the big players (Apple, Samsung, Google) don't think this is worth the investment. So you'll only find it in niche products (e.g. Sony, Sharp, ASUS, Nubia, etc.). <br />
<br />
Lastly, there is Samsung's Seamless codec. I found a Verge review where Samsung claim 2,300kbps quality. The fact that the figure is so much higher than the competitors had the reviewer skeptical and I think that's fair.<br />
<br />
I am comparing kbps, but once you get into your phone's Developer Options there is more to it: audio sample rate, audio bits per sample. I couldn't tell you if that matters or not.<br />
<br />
@<a id="mention_2" href="User-Shannon" class="mentionme_mention" title="Shannon's profile"><span style="color: red;"><strong><em>Shannon</em></strong></span></a> will have the last word, but what I took from it is either use wired headphones or, if you're committed to Bluetooth, do your research and buy the latest gear.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[So it's come to my attention that Bluetooth headphones can really mangle up a good quality audio file. How do you know if it's happening to you? You need to check the codec your phone is using. This determines the bit rate of the audio that is transferred over the Bluetooth connection.<br />
<br />
On an Android, this means navigating to Settings &gt; About Phone &gt; Software Information. Then tap on Build Number seven times in a row. You'll be prompted to enter your password and this activates Developer Options.<br />
<br />
Go to Developer Options, and from there you can navigate to Bluetooth Audio Codec. For almost all devices, the default the low-quality codec, SBC. AAC is slightly better and is apparently the default for iPhones. I've read that AAC is the best that Apple will offer.<br />
<br />
Both these defaults are low quality audio; they use less power and have greater range. Both are going to mangle your subs.<br />
<br />
So you'll want to upgrade. The trick is finding a device that supports a high-res codec that's also compatible with your headphones.<br />
<br />
As usual, your best audio option is probably Sony. As to their Bluetooth codec, LDAC, WhatHifi says, "LDAC allows you to stream high-resolution audio up to 32-bit/96kHz over Bluetooth at up to 990kbps." <br />
<br />
The only one better is aptX lossless, which apparently reaches 1,200kbps (a CD plays at 1,400kbps). "While it does use compression, aptX lossless produces results akin to FLAC." <br />
<br />
The problem is that the big players (Apple, Samsung, Google) don't think this is worth the investment. So you'll only find it in niche products (e.g. Sony, Sharp, ASUS, Nubia, etc.). <br />
<br />
Lastly, there is Samsung's Seamless codec. I found a Verge review where Samsung claim 2,300kbps quality. The fact that the figure is so much higher than the competitors had the reviewer skeptical and I think that's fair.<br />
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I am comparing kbps, but once you get into your phone's Developer Options there is more to it: audio sample rate, audio bits per sample. I couldn't tell you if that matters or not.<br />
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@<a id="mention_2" href="User-Shannon" class="mentionme_mention" title="Shannon's profile"><span style="color: red;"><strong><em>Shannon</em></strong></span></a> will have the last word, but what I took from it is either use wired headphones or, if you're committed to Bluetooth, do your research and buy the latest gear.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[What Is "placebo", and is that how subliminals work?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div style="text-align: center;" class="mycode_align"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">What is "placebo"?  Is placebo how and why subliminals work?</span></div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">To really understand what is what in the world of subliminal mind programming, one must first understand what "placebo" and "placebo effect" are.  </div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">Most people think "placebo" and "placebo effect" either mean something other than what they mean, or are synonymous.  They are not.</div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">A <span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">placebo</span> is something to which is attributed a result, but that something is actually inert, doing none of what it is attributed to be doing.  The <span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">placebo effect</span> is the thing a placebo is believed to be doing, which is actually being done by the person experiencing it, and not the placebo.</div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">A simple example.  If I want to know whether an aspirin pill has an effect on pain, I can perform an experiment in which I create three groups of people who I will be observing.  </div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">Group 1 will get no pill at all; they are the "control group".  They will show me what happens when there is nothing done. Group 2 will get a single aspirin pill under a specific set of circumstances.  Group 3 will get a pill made of compressed sugar under those same circumstances, and will be told it is an aspirin pill.</div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">When the specific set of circumstances happens (let's say all groups are subjected to a stimulus that causes a headache), they will all be observed to see how they feel during the course of the headache, and how bad the headache is and how long it lasts.</div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">Group 1 will show us what happens if we do nothing about the headache.  Group 2 will show us what happens if we take an aspirin pill to alleviate the pain.  Group 3 will show us what happens when we take a placebo.</div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">The control group experiences what would happen if no aspirin is taken.  Let us presume for the sake of example that they rate their headaches a 5 out of 10 on a 10 point scale, and on average they have a headache for 90 minutes.</div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">Group 2 shows us what happens as a result of the acetylsalicylic acid (aspirin) they ingested, a chemical, having a physical effect on their body.  Let us say that on average they report that after 20 minutes they start feeling pain lessen from a 5, and it ends up at a 2.  </div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">Group 3 shows us what happens when no aspirin is ingested, but the person <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">believes</span> that it was.  Let us say that on average they report that after 25 minutes they start feeling pain lessen from a 5, and it ends up at a 3.</div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">Now Group 3 has a better result than Group 1, even though they both had no aspirin, and if we know for a fact that what the pill they were given is made of cannot cause pain relief, the only way to explain this is that Group 3 has had a <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">placebo effect</span>.  In other words, they caused themselves to experience less pain at about the same rate and to what degree is possible, because they <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">believed</span> they had an aspirin.  </div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">So placebo effect is <span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">a measurable influence, either positive or negative, that results purely from the expectation of that result based on the conscious beliefs of the individual having that result</span>.  </div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">Placebos are useful in science because they help scientists differentiate what is doing what during an experiment, and understand what is and is not actually happening.  They are used to compare to what is known to achieve the desired effect, or what is being tested to see what it actually does, as in the example above.  In some cases, no discernible placebo effect results; in some cases, a placebo effect may result that is mild, moderate or strong.  It is possible for a placebo effect to actually be stronger than the real effect caused by the thing being tested.</div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">With regards to subliminal audio mind programming, placebo effect is a serious concern because the subliminal audio mind programming is, by its very nature, not discernible to the conscious mind.  So to see what a subliminal audio mind program actually does, it can be tested in a manner similar to the above example.</div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">Early subliminal mind programs (1990's and earlier) were very weak because the understanding of how to make them was very low.  They attempted to use what we knew about how to program the mind using hypnosis and NLP, as well as what we understood about the subconscious mind.  Those things were limited by the assumptions we had at the time as to the differences between the conscious and subconscious minds and what they are capable of doing.  As a result, early subliminals - if they were scripted, built and used properly - could produce a genuine result in <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">some</span> people, but it typically required 3 to 5 <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">weeks</span> of use to begin noticing any effects <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">at all</span>.</div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">Because the results were so hit or miss back then, many people suspected placebo effect was the real reason for the "results", not the subliminal audio mind programming.  Some experiments were done to test this hypothesis.  In one of them, some commercially produced subliminal audio tapes (back in the ancient days of audio tapes) were purchased.  Group 1 was given no stimulus.  Group 2 was given the actual tape.  Group 3 was given a subliminal tape that was labeled incorrectly.  The result showed that groups 2 and 3 predominantly got the same results from a tape with the same label, regardless of what was actually on it.  This led to the conclusion that "it's all just placebo effect" and "subliminals don't actually do anything".</div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">Unfortunately, this conclusion was based on misunderstanding and faulty logic.  While it is true that the placebo group demonstrably experienced the placebo effect (listening to a subliminal designed for weight loss that was labeled as stop smoking had about the same effect as a stop smoking subliminal labeled as such, for example), that does not mean that subliminals are only effective because of placebo effect and that there is nothing to subliminals.  Such thinking is black and white, which is almost invariably wrong.</div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">In this case, the factors not taken into effect were such things as:</div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align"><ul class="mycode_list"><li>Was the subliminal scripted properly?<br />
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<li>Were multiple brands of subliminals tested?<br />
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<li>Was the subliminal used for enough exposure time per day, for enough days, and at an effective volume to trigger the intended result?<br />
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<li>Can a subliminal be scripted that is superior in functionality to those tested?<br />
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<li>Were there enough examples of enough different personality types to explain the result as being simply a response by a personality type that was more or less affected by the program?<br />
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In other words, due to a lack of understanding of the subject - and quite possibly a pre-existing desire to prove that subliminals do not work - the experiment result was interpreted in a way that oversimplifies the conclusion, thus rendering it incorrect.  <br />
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To the bullet points above, we can answer as follows:<br />
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<ol type="1" class="mycode_list"><li>The subliminals tested were very primitive, and certainly did not represent the highest potential of effectiveness a subliminal can have.<br />
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<li>Only one brand of subliminals was tested, leaving the door open for the results to be fatally flawed because that particular brand of subliminals may have been exceptionally poorly or improperly made.<br />
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<li>The typical usage instructions for the day were, "Use this program for 1 hour per day for 30 days.", which we now know is a very inaccurate instruction to achieve the best possible results.  <br />
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<li>Over time, new ideas, methods, techniques and technologies have been applied to subliminals, and the ones that produced superior results were kept and refined.  Thus, it is in fact possible, and did in fact happen, that the methods used in creating those tested subliminals were improved upon and thus did not represent the effectiveness of all subliminals, as the tester would have us believe by their conclusion.<br />
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<li>The "personality type" has a big impact on how the person will respond to a subliminal script and audio, just as it does for hypnosis.  Some personality types can be affected successfully using multiple different phrasings of a single goal statement, while others must have one specific phrasing to be willing to cooperate and execute.  Furthermore, different personality types are more or less prone to fear, and fear is always the reason for a properly scripted, built and used subliminal to fail, either producing some effect with resistance signs; no effect at all; or reverse results. There are also differences in the perceptions, focus into and balance of emotion vs logic, interpretations of experiences, and willingness to change of different personality types, all of which affects the outcome.  These are not all the factors that must be considered, either.<br />
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It is important to be aware that even in double blind clinical trials, a sufficient lack of understanding of the subject can result in experiments that are faulty and the interpretations of which are also faulty.  Likewise, it is still possible to cause the result to be what you want it to be through subtle manipulation of the methods, variables and choice of words and grammar used, which is why experiments must be documented completely and peer reviewed.  In this way, the conscious or unconscious bias of one tester or group of testers can be revealed by the inability pf others to replicate the same results.<br />
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Unfortunately, the average person never actually reads the studies, and never takes the time to see what replications have been done of the studies and what their results were.  They simply accept that "a study was done", which to their mind automatically makes it "scientific", which they have been taught to believe is "always right".  The result is that it is easy to mislead the general public by claiming that a scientific study was done, when in fact that study may not actually have been done; may have been done incorrectly to achieve a valid result; may not be repeatable; or may not have been interpreted accurately because of either bias on the part of the experimenter, or the lack of sufficient understanding, education or information to interpret it correctly.<br />
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The placebo effect definitely exists, and in the case of subliminals, can definitely influence one's experiences with them.  Both positive and negative placebo effects are possible, as well.<br />
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For example, if someone is given a placebo, and told that it is actually a subliminal that will force them to overcome procrastination, the results will tend to be heavily skewed towards negative placebo effect.  Those who do not want to be "forced" to do something will tend to respond with resistance, which will typically result in either a prevention of any effect (stonewalling response) or a reversal of the desired result (reverse resistance) even when the actual subliminal is used. Those who would prefer to be told what to do, or who don't mind being "forced", will tend to get more of a positive placebo result than they would have if they had simply been told that the placebo is a subliminal designed to get them to stop procrastinating.<br />
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I use procrastination as an example because it allows me to show the interesting effects that we can get from placebo and from the real deal that are not necessarily different.  People who procrastinate are doing so out of <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">resistance</span> to doing whatever is being procrastinated.  This means that this group, by their very nature, is resisting something (resistant by nature).  It is my belief that they also strongly tend as a group to resist whatever they conclude is "being told what to do".  In other words, they hate being controlled, which I conclude is because it makes them feel unsafe or insecure to not have that control.<br />
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In the case of a real subliminal that is designed to get people to stop procrastinating, it can be observed that much the same result is achieved by the people using it as the placebo would achieve: some will get positive results, but the majority get either no result, or they start procrastinating even more as a reverse resistance tactic, which is intended to assure that nobody can be controlling them.<br />
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In such a case, it would be the conclusion of the average person that if the placebo and the "real deal" are achieving essentially the same results, then the "real deal" must be operating on placebo effect.  And again, this would not necessarily be correct as a conclusion, however logical it may at first glance seem to be.<br />
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Why?  Because in the case of subliminals, the placebo effect shows us what the person responds with when they consciously believe they are being exposed to the "real deal".  If they are exposed to the "real deal" they should in fact respond the same as if they are exposed to a placebo, only with more obvious, concrete results.  So if they hate being told what to do, and the subliminal is interpreted by them as "being told what to do", they will resist it the same with nearly identical results whether they are listening to a placebo or not!  The difference would lie in how powerful the subliminal is.  The exception would be a subliminal that is capable of bypassing or overcoming that resistance response.<br />
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As you can see, there are a variety of variables to consider, and determining the actual validity of subliminal mind programming is not a binary operation.  It requires deeper understanding and knowledge, and more complex experiments.<br />
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To really see what is placebo and what is not, the above example for procrastination would necessarily have to be designed similarly to the following example:<br />
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Group 1 is the control group.  They are exposed to nothing and told nothing.<br />
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Group 2 is exposed to the Overcoming Procrastination subliminal, and told that they are being exposed to the Overcoming Procrastination subliminal.  <br />
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Group 3 is given a placebo of a subliminalized recording of the ocean surf, and told they are being exposed to the Overcoming Procrastination subliminal.<br />
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Group 4 is exposed to a weight loss subliminal, and told they are being exposed to the Overcoming Procrastination subliminal.<br />
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Group 5 is exposed to the Overcoming Procrastination subliminal, and told that they are the control group, and are being exposed to nothing.<br />
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Group 6 is given a placebo of a subliminalized recording of the ocean surf, and told that they are the control group, and are being exposed to nothing.<br />
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Group 7 is exposed to a weight loss subliminal, and told that they are the control group, and are being exposed to nothing.<br />
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Now if the above experiment uses enough people per test group, and it is double blind, we have an experiment that can show us what is really going on.  <br />
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Group 1 will show us what happens when nothing is done or suggested.  We should see no change.  <br />
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Group 2 will show us what happens when people use the actual subliminal, and they consciously know they are using it.  This can reveal conscious <span style="text-decoration: underline;" class="mycode_u">and</span> subconscious responses.  <br />
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Group 3 will show us what happens when the person believes they are using a subliminal to stop prograstination, but they are listening to the ocean surf instead.  The expected result would be either a placebo effect or the result of listening to the ocean surf, which would either be relaxation (if it is being enjoyed), annoyance (if it is not being enjoyed) or a desire to pee (as listening to the sounds of water often trigger bladder contractions by association with the sounds of urination).  <br />
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Group 4 will show us what happens when a person consciously believes they are using an anti-procrastination subliminal, when in fact they are using a weight loss subliminal.  One of the following results should be observed:  placebo response (procrastination detectably increases or decreases), weight is lost (or gained, if the script is being resisted), or both at once.<br />
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Group 5 shows us what happens when the person is exposed to the actual subliminal, but consciously does not know they are being exposed to it.  This is the group we are most interested in observing, because if they achieve a positive or negative response, it cannot be placebo.  The only way they can fail to achieve any result is if the script is ineffective, or they stonewall the program's execution, which can be interpreted as a form of resistance, or a placebo effect overriding the real effect, which (in a properly made subliminal of sufficient power) should not be possible; therefore, this result would most likely be classified as a stonewalling resistance result, especially if they tended to procrastinate a lot and showed other signs of being a personality resistant to "being told what to do".  An ineffective script can be ruled out if ANY of the members of this group get a positive or negative result that is in line with the goal of the script.<br />
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Group 6 will show us what happens when they are exposed to the ocean surf, while thinking they are being exposed to nothing.  <br />
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Group 7 will show us what happens when they are exposed to the weight loss subliminal, while thinking they are being exposed to nothing.  This is another group we want to pay attention to, because a result of weight loss or gain would show the subliminal was having an effect, while a "no result" response would again have to either be interpreted as stonewalling resistance, ineffective script or placebo effect.  And again, an ineffective script can be ruled out if ANY of the members of this group get a positive or negative result that is in line with the goal of the script.<br />
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With all of these seven groups in play, we can have a very good overview of what is really going on, and have comparative data to use for interpretation of the results as well.</div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">I have done many, many experiments over the years since 1991 concerning subliminals.  Some have been on myself, and some have been on others.  Some have been blind, and some have been double blind.  What I have noted consistently is that it is easy to spot those who will have the strongest and most obvious placebo effect, because they are what we call "true believers".  They don't just have a neutral open mind without expectation, they <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">want</span> to believe that the program will work, whether consciously or subconsciously, and this desire, expectation and enthusiasm produces placebo effect.  </div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">Likewise, there are those who consistently get a reverse placebo effect, actively resisting the effects and results, even if they don't know they are being exposed.  (I always obtain consent from testers before exposing them to a subliminal for experimental purposes, but they may be exposed days, weeks or even months after giving their consent, and they may encounter me several times in the interim without being exposed.  This assures consent, and removes the chance of expectation of exposure producing a false positive result.)  If a person is exposed to a subliminal that is known to have a successful result on a majority of users who are not aware they are being exposed, and this person has a reversal of or negation of that result, then we can conclude that they are resisting the effects of the subliminal.</div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">In the end, the answer to the question we posed at the top is not as simple as just a yes or no.  I have seen people respond to subliminals that work, and subliminals that don't work, by exhibiting a placebo response, under the right conditions.  If the advertising is sufficiently exciting or interesting, a placebo response can boost the actual results for a time in some cases.</div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">Subliminal programming, however, does have its own effect and works well when the program is scripted built and used properly.  How well depends on a large number of variables, including the personality of the person using it, what their beliefs are and what their previous experiences are.  Even when a subliminal is scripted, built and used properly, not everyone will get the same level of results from it.  My goal is to achieve the best that can be done with a subliminal, so that everyone gets the most possible results from it.</div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">During what has become decades of experiments, I have devised a number of ways to quickly and accurately know whether a subliminal is having an effect or not.  I developed a specific type of subliminal that I use for performing experiments (whenever it is effective for testing whatever I am trying to test) and this will give me very accurate information that is relatively easily discerned and quite rapid in onset and impact.  In many cases, I can start observing results in between a couple minutes and tens of minutes.  </div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">What I have found, repeatedly and consistently, is that in fact subliminal audio can be sensed by the subconscious mind through both masked and ultrasonic formats.  Further, many things can be accomplished through a subliminal set of instructions, as long as the instructions are understood and executed.  Cases where placebo effect is literally impossible still produce positive, repeatable, predictable and consistent  results, time and time again.  So it is clear that placebo is not how subliminals by themselves work.</div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">However, we should consider that <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">placebo is the effect of the expectation of the conscious mind, and how this influences parts of the subconscious mind</span>.  In fact, placebo is the result of nothing less that a simple form of self hypnosis!  It is the conscious mind forming a desire and/or expectation, which is somehow translated by the subconscious mind into an active result that is measurable.  This result shows the power and ability of the subconscious mind.</div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">When we use hypnosis, we are working with the conscious mind to cause the subconscious mind to act and react in specific, desirable ways.  When we use subliminals, we are working directly with the subconscious mind to accomplish the same thing.  The difference is in the involvement, or lack thereof, of the conscious mind.  And when we experience placebo, the expectation and desire - and sometimes fears - of the conscious mind influence the subconscious in the same ways as if the person were being hypnotically influenced.  As I said before, <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">the placebo effect is really a form of self hypnosis and autosuggestion</span>.</div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">The interesting thing to consider here is that the subliminal that actually works without the conscious mind knowing that it is being exposed to a subliminal is triggering the subconscious to respond in a way that is not placebo.  The placebo effect only works because the conscious expectations, fears and or desires influence the same subconscious to produce a result.</div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">Thus we can conclude that placebo effect is impossible if the person is not also hypnotizable, since it is just a form of self hypnosis.  </div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">The lay person does not understand placebo.  The way it is used and misused by the lay public, and the media, means that its definition has changed from what it is to something else.  The lay public believes that "placebo" means "fake, false, imaginary, not real, in error".  What it really means is... we have a lot more power and ability than we realize, and in order to know what is doing what, sometimes we need to prevent the conscious mind from being influenced by the subconscious mind.</div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">Subliminals, properly built, scripted and used, can and do work.</div>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div style="text-align: center;" class="mycode_align"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">What is "placebo"?  Is placebo how and why subliminals work?</span></div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">To really understand what is what in the world of subliminal mind programming, one must first understand what "placebo" and "placebo effect" are.  </div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">Most people think "placebo" and "placebo effect" either mean something other than what they mean, or are synonymous.  They are not.</div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">A <span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">placebo</span> is something to which is attributed a result, but that something is actually inert, doing none of what it is attributed to be doing.  The <span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">placebo effect</span> is the thing a placebo is believed to be doing, which is actually being done by the person experiencing it, and not the placebo.</div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">A simple example.  If I want to know whether an aspirin pill has an effect on pain, I can perform an experiment in which I create three groups of people who I will be observing.  </div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">Group 1 will get no pill at all; they are the "control group".  They will show me what happens when there is nothing done. Group 2 will get a single aspirin pill under a specific set of circumstances.  Group 3 will get a pill made of compressed sugar under those same circumstances, and will be told it is an aspirin pill.</div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">When the specific set of circumstances happens (let's say all groups are subjected to a stimulus that causes a headache), they will all be observed to see how they feel during the course of the headache, and how bad the headache is and how long it lasts.</div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">Group 1 will show us what happens if we do nothing about the headache.  Group 2 will show us what happens if we take an aspirin pill to alleviate the pain.  Group 3 will show us what happens when we take a placebo.</div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">The control group experiences what would happen if no aspirin is taken.  Let us presume for the sake of example that they rate their headaches a 5 out of 10 on a 10 point scale, and on average they have a headache for 90 minutes.</div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">Group 2 shows us what happens as a result of the acetylsalicylic acid (aspirin) they ingested, a chemical, having a physical effect on their body.  Let us say that on average they report that after 20 minutes they start feeling pain lessen from a 5, and it ends up at a 2.  </div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">Group 3 shows us what happens when no aspirin is ingested, but the person <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">believes</span> that it was.  Let us say that on average they report that after 25 minutes they start feeling pain lessen from a 5, and it ends up at a 3.</div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">Now Group 3 has a better result than Group 1, even though they both had no aspirin, and if we know for a fact that what the pill they were given is made of cannot cause pain relief, the only way to explain this is that Group 3 has had a <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">placebo effect</span>.  In other words, they caused themselves to experience less pain at about the same rate and to what degree is possible, because they <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">believed</span> they had an aspirin.  </div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">So placebo effect is <span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">a measurable influence, either positive or negative, that results purely from the expectation of that result based on the conscious beliefs of the individual having that result</span>.  </div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">Placebos are useful in science because they help scientists differentiate what is doing what during an experiment, and understand what is and is not actually happening.  They are used to compare to what is known to achieve the desired effect, or what is being tested to see what it actually does, as in the example above.  In some cases, no discernible placebo effect results; in some cases, a placebo effect may result that is mild, moderate or strong.  It is possible for a placebo effect to actually be stronger than the real effect caused by the thing being tested.</div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">With regards to subliminal audio mind programming, placebo effect is a serious concern because the subliminal audio mind programming is, by its very nature, not discernible to the conscious mind.  So to see what a subliminal audio mind program actually does, it can be tested in a manner similar to the above example.</div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">Early subliminal mind programs (1990's and earlier) were very weak because the understanding of how to make them was very low.  They attempted to use what we knew about how to program the mind using hypnosis and NLP, as well as what we understood about the subconscious mind.  Those things were limited by the assumptions we had at the time as to the differences between the conscious and subconscious minds and what they are capable of doing.  As a result, early subliminals - if they were scripted, built and used properly - could produce a genuine result in <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">some</span> people, but it typically required 3 to 5 <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">weeks</span> of use to begin noticing any effects <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">at all</span>.</div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">Because the results were so hit or miss back then, many people suspected placebo effect was the real reason for the "results", not the subliminal audio mind programming.  Some experiments were done to test this hypothesis.  In one of them, some commercially produced subliminal audio tapes (back in the ancient days of audio tapes) were purchased.  Group 1 was given no stimulus.  Group 2 was given the actual tape.  Group 3 was given a subliminal tape that was labeled incorrectly.  The result showed that groups 2 and 3 predominantly got the same results from a tape with the same label, regardless of what was actually on it.  This led to the conclusion that "it's all just placebo effect" and "subliminals don't actually do anything".</div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">Unfortunately, this conclusion was based on misunderstanding and faulty logic.  While it is true that the placebo group demonstrably experienced the placebo effect (listening to a subliminal designed for weight loss that was labeled as stop smoking had about the same effect as a stop smoking subliminal labeled as such, for example), that does not mean that subliminals are only effective because of placebo effect and that there is nothing to subliminals.  Such thinking is black and white, which is almost invariably wrong.</div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">In this case, the factors not taken into effect were such things as:</div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align"><ul class="mycode_list"><li>Was the subliminal scripted properly?<br />
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<li>Were multiple brands of subliminals tested?<br />
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<li>Was the subliminal used for enough exposure time per day, for enough days, and at an effective volume to trigger the intended result?<br />
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<li>Can a subliminal be scripted that is superior in functionality to those tested?<br />
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<li>Were there enough examples of enough different personality types to explain the result as being simply a response by a personality type that was more or less affected by the program?<br />
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In other words, due to a lack of understanding of the subject - and quite possibly a pre-existing desire to prove that subliminals do not work - the experiment result was interpreted in a way that oversimplifies the conclusion, thus rendering it incorrect.  <br />
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To the bullet points above, we can answer as follows:<br />
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<ol type="1" class="mycode_list"><li>The subliminals tested were very primitive, and certainly did not represent the highest potential of effectiveness a subliminal can have.<br />
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<li>Only one brand of subliminals was tested, leaving the door open for the results to be fatally flawed because that particular brand of subliminals may have been exceptionally poorly or improperly made.<br />
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<li>The typical usage instructions for the day were, "Use this program for 1 hour per day for 30 days.", which we now know is a very inaccurate instruction to achieve the best possible results.  <br />
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<li>Over time, new ideas, methods, techniques and technologies have been applied to subliminals, and the ones that produced superior results were kept and refined.  Thus, it is in fact possible, and did in fact happen, that the methods used in creating those tested subliminals were improved upon and thus did not represent the effectiveness of all subliminals, as the tester would have us believe by their conclusion.<br />
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<li>The "personality type" has a big impact on how the person will respond to a subliminal script and audio, just as it does for hypnosis.  Some personality types can be affected successfully using multiple different phrasings of a single goal statement, while others must have one specific phrasing to be willing to cooperate and execute.  Furthermore, different personality types are more or less prone to fear, and fear is always the reason for a properly scripted, built and used subliminal to fail, either producing some effect with resistance signs; no effect at all; or reverse results. There are also differences in the perceptions, focus into and balance of emotion vs logic, interpretations of experiences, and willingness to change of different personality types, all of which affects the outcome.  These are not all the factors that must be considered, either.<br />
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It is important to be aware that even in double blind clinical trials, a sufficient lack of understanding of the subject can result in experiments that are faulty and the interpretations of which are also faulty.  Likewise, it is still possible to cause the result to be what you want it to be through subtle manipulation of the methods, variables and choice of words and grammar used, which is why experiments must be documented completely and peer reviewed.  In this way, the conscious or unconscious bias of one tester or group of testers can be revealed by the inability pf others to replicate the same results.<br />
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Unfortunately, the average person never actually reads the studies, and never takes the time to see what replications have been done of the studies and what their results were.  They simply accept that "a study was done", which to their mind automatically makes it "scientific", which they have been taught to believe is "always right".  The result is that it is easy to mislead the general public by claiming that a scientific study was done, when in fact that study may not actually have been done; may have been done incorrectly to achieve a valid result; may not be repeatable; or may not have been interpreted accurately because of either bias on the part of the experimenter, or the lack of sufficient understanding, education or information to interpret it correctly.<br />
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The placebo effect definitely exists, and in the case of subliminals, can definitely influence one's experiences with them.  Both positive and negative placebo effects are possible, as well.<br />
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For example, if someone is given a placebo, and told that it is actually a subliminal that will force them to overcome procrastination, the results will tend to be heavily skewed towards negative placebo effect.  Those who do not want to be "forced" to do something will tend to respond with resistance, which will typically result in either a prevention of any effect (stonewalling response) or a reversal of the desired result (reverse resistance) even when the actual subliminal is used. Those who would prefer to be told what to do, or who don't mind being "forced", will tend to get more of a positive placebo result than they would have if they had simply been told that the placebo is a subliminal designed to get them to stop procrastinating.<br />
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I use procrastination as an example because it allows me to show the interesting effects that we can get from placebo and from the real deal that are not necessarily different.  People who procrastinate are doing so out of <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">resistance</span> to doing whatever is being procrastinated.  This means that this group, by their very nature, is resisting something (resistant by nature).  It is my belief that they also strongly tend as a group to resist whatever they conclude is "being told what to do".  In other words, they hate being controlled, which I conclude is because it makes them feel unsafe or insecure to not have that control.<br />
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In the case of a real subliminal that is designed to get people to stop procrastinating, it can be observed that much the same result is achieved by the people using it as the placebo would achieve: some will get positive results, but the majority get either no result, or they start procrastinating even more as a reverse resistance tactic, which is intended to assure that nobody can be controlling them.<br />
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In such a case, it would be the conclusion of the average person that if the placebo and the "real deal" are achieving essentially the same results, then the "real deal" must be operating on placebo effect.  And again, this would not necessarily be correct as a conclusion, however logical it may at first glance seem to be.<br />
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Why?  Because in the case of subliminals, the placebo effect shows us what the person responds with when they consciously believe they are being exposed to the "real deal".  If they are exposed to the "real deal" they should in fact respond the same as if they are exposed to a placebo, only with more obvious, concrete results.  So if they hate being told what to do, and the subliminal is interpreted by them as "being told what to do", they will resist it the same with nearly identical results whether they are listening to a placebo or not!  The difference would lie in how powerful the subliminal is.  The exception would be a subliminal that is capable of bypassing or overcoming that resistance response.<br />
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As you can see, there are a variety of variables to consider, and determining the actual validity of subliminal mind programming is not a binary operation.  It requires deeper understanding and knowledge, and more complex experiments.<br />
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To really see what is placebo and what is not, the above example for procrastination would necessarily have to be designed similarly to the following example:<br />
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Group 1 is the control group.  They are exposed to nothing and told nothing.<br />
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Group 2 is exposed to the Overcoming Procrastination subliminal, and told that they are being exposed to the Overcoming Procrastination subliminal.  <br />
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Group 3 is given a placebo of a subliminalized recording of the ocean surf, and told they are being exposed to the Overcoming Procrastination subliminal.<br />
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Group 4 is exposed to a weight loss subliminal, and told they are being exposed to the Overcoming Procrastination subliminal.<br />
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Group 5 is exposed to the Overcoming Procrastination subliminal, and told that they are the control group, and are being exposed to nothing.<br />
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Group 6 is given a placebo of a subliminalized recording of the ocean surf, and told that they are the control group, and are being exposed to nothing.<br />
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Group 7 is exposed to a weight loss subliminal, and told that they are the control group, and are being exposed to nothing.<br />
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Now if the above experiment uses enough people per test group, and it is double blind, we have an experiment that can show us what is really going on.  <br />
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Group 1 will show us what happens when nothing is done or suggested.  We should see no change.  <br />
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Group 2 will show us what happens when people use the actual subliminal, and they consciously know they are using it.  This can reveal conscious <span style="text-decoration: underline;" class="mycode_u">and</span> subconscious responses.  <br />
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Group 3 will show us what happens when the person believes they are using a subliminal to stop prograstination, but they are listening to the ocean surf instead.  The expected result would be either a placebo effect or the result of listening to the ocean surf, which would either be relaxation (if it is being enjoyed), annoyance (if it is not being enjoyed) or a desire to pee (as listening to the sounds of water often trigger bladder contractions by association with the sounds of urination).  <br />
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Group 4 will show us what happens when a person consciously believes they are using an anti-procrastination subliminal, when in fact they are using a weight loss subliminal.  One of the following results should be observed:  placebo response (procrastination detectably increases or decreases), weight is lost (or gained, if the script is being resisted), or both at once.<br />
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Group 5 shows us what happens when the person is exposed to the actual subliminal, but consciously does not know they are being exposed to it.  This is the group we are most interested in observing, because if they achieve a positive or negative response, it cannot be placebo.  The only way they can fail to achieve any result is if the script is ineffective, or they stonewall the program's execution, which can be interpreted as a form of resistance, or a placebo effect overriding the real effect, which (in a properly made subliminal of sufficient power) should not be possible; therefore, this result would most likely be classified as a stonewalling resistance result, especially if they tended to procrastinate a lot and showed other signs of being a personality resistant to "being told what to do".  An ineffective script can be ruled out if ANY of the members of this group get a positive or negative result that is in line with the goal of the script.<br />
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Group 6 will show us what happens when they are exposed to the ocean surf, while thinking they are being exposed to nothing.  <br />
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Group 7 will show us what happens when they are exposed to the weight loss subliminal, while thinking they are being exposed to nothing.  This is another group we want to pay attention to, because a result of weight loss or gain would show the subliminal was having an effect, while a "no result" response would again have to either be interpreted as stonewalling resistance, ineffective script or placebo effect.  And again, an ineffective script can be ruled out if ANY of the members of this group get a positive or negative result that is in line with the goal of the script.<br />
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With all of these seven groups in play, we can have a very good overview of what is really going on, and have comparative data to use for interpretation of the results as well.</div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">I have done many, many experiments over the years since 1991 concerning subliminals.  Some have been on myself, and some have been on others.  Some have been blind, and some have been double blind.  What I have noted consistently is that it is easy to spot those who will have the strongest and most obvious placebo effect, because they are what we call "true believers".  They don't just have a neutral open mind without expectation, they <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">want</span> to believe that the program will work, whether consciously or subconsciously, and this desire, expectation and enthusiasm produces placebo effect.  </div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">Likewise, there are those who consistently get a reverse placebo effect, actively resisting the effects and results, even if they don't know they are being exposed.  (I always obtain consent from testers before exposing them to a subliminal for experimental purposes, but they may be exposed days, weeks or even months after giving their consent, and they may encounter me several times in the interim without being exposed.  This assures consent, and removes the chance of expectation of exposure producing a false positive result.)  If a person is exposed to a subliminal that is known to have a successful result on a majority of users who are not aware they are being exposed, and this person has a reversal of or negation of that result, then we can conclude that they are resisting the effects of the subliminal.</div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">In the end, the answer to the question we posed at the top is not as simple as just a yes or no.  I have seen people respond to subliminals that work, and subliminals that don't work, by exhibiting a placebo response, under the right conditions.  If the advertising is sufficiently exciting or interesting, a placebo response can boost the actual results for a time in some cases.</div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">Subliminal programming, however, does have its own effect and works well when the program is scripted built and used properly.  How well depends on a large number of variables, including the personality of the person using it, what their beliefs are and what their previous experiences are.  Even when a subliminal is scripted, built and used properly, not everyone will get the same level of results from it.  My goal is to achieve the best that can be done with a subliminal, so that everyone gets the most possible results from it.</div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">During what has become decades of experiments, I have devised a number of ways to quickly and accurately know whether a subliminal is having an effect or not.  I developed a specific type of subliminal that I use for performing experiments (whenever it is effective for testing whatever I am trying to test) and this will give me very accurate information that is relatively easily discerned and quite rapid in onset and impact.  In many cases, I can start observing results in between a couple minutes and tens of minutes.  </div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">What I have found, repeatedly and consistently, is that in fact subliminal audio can be sensed by the subconscious mind through both masked and ultrasonic formats.  Further, many things can be accomplished through a subliminal set of instructions, as long as the instructions are understood and executed.  Cases where placebo effect is literally impossible still produce positive, repeatable, predictable and consistent  results, time and time again.  So it is clear that placebo is not how subliminals by themselves work.</div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">However, we should consider that <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">placebo is the effect of the expectation of the conscious mind, and how this influences parts of the subconscious mind</span>.  In fact, placebo is the result of nothing less that a simple form of self hypnosis!  It is the conscious mind forming a desire and/or expectation, which is somehow translated by the subconscious mind into an active result that is measurable.  This result shows the power and ability of the subconscious mind.</div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">When we use hypnosis, we are working with the conscious mind to cause the subconscious mind to act and react in specific, desirable ways.  When we use subliminals, we are working directly with the subconscious mind to accomplish the same thing.  The difference is in the involvement, or lack thereof, of the conscious mind.  And when we experience placebo, the expectation and desire - and sometimes fears - of the conscious mind influence the subconscious in the same ways as if the person were being hypnotically influenced.  As I said before, <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">the placebo effect is really a form of self hypnosis and autosuggestion</span>.</div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">The interesting thing to consider here is that the subliminal that actually works without the conscious mind knowing that it is being exposed to a subliminal is triggering the subconscious to respond in a way that is not placebo.  The placebo effect only works because the conscious expectations, fears and or desires influence the same subconscious to produce a result.</div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">Thus we can conclude that placebo effect is impossible if the person is not also hypnotizable, since it is just a form of self hypnosis.  </div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">The lay person does not understand placebo.  The way it is used and misused by the lay public, and the media, means that its definition has changed from what it is to something else.  The lay public believes that "placebo" means "fake, false, imaginary, not real, in error".  What it really means is... we have a lot more power and ability than we realize, and in order to know what is doing what, sometimes we need to prevent the conscious mind from being influenced by the subconscious mind.</div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;" class="mycode_align">Subliminals, properly built, scripted and used, can and do work.</div>]]></content:encoded>
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