12-31-2020, 11:22 AM
(12-31-2020, 09:36 AM)London1 Wrote:(12-31-2020, 03:47 AM)callie Wrote:(12-24-2020, 10:22 PM)London1 Wrote: A while ago I was deciding between E4, LTU6 and possibly OF. I decided to go with E4 as I decided emotional healing was my main priority and E4 was directly geared to that.
But now that an even newer version of OF 5.75g has been released, im being tempted towards it especially after seeing all the life changing results on v1 so far.
Question is, are my issues more FEAR based? Or more emotionally instability based?
My issues again are lots of deep fears, moderate to severe social anxiety, shyness, very low confidence and self esteem, softness - easily upset. Strong avoidance behaviours, unable to make and keep friends, social awkwardness, difficulty thinking abd speaking in social situations.
Stuttering...which causes the above to happen more, and that in turn causes more stuttering...negative cycle.
Would it really be a good idea to run E4 in that case instead of OF?
Or are those E4 issues? Thats what im confused about. They really can be confused between OF and E4 issues.
Its important to note that most people do not have that level social anxiety and confidence issues that I do.
Also a thought Ive had, what does a person who has fear but emotionally healthy look like and vice versa, fearless but not emotionally healthy.
Due to the extent of my issues i would probably have to run one of those for 16 months. But if I do that id want to pick the best one for my issues to not waste time and effort.
Or I was thinking of starting with OF for 8 months, then switch to E4 for 8 months, then switch back to OF if needed or continue with E4.
Not sure what to do.
Ive been on OF for 2,5 months. And as you I struggle with social anxiety which hasnt really changed too much on OF. I believe that in my case my social anxiety is 99% rooted in shame and a lack of self compassion. OF in my experience doesnt really deal with that, atleast so far it hasnt. It has absolutely given me more of a idgaf attitude and a less fearful approach to things in general. But it is my belief that most issues around low self esteem and social anxiety stems from lack of self compassion, and fear is the symptom to that rather than the cause. As I havent tried E4 I cannot speak for how well it will work, but given the information about it, it sure sounds like it is more directed to deal with that.
I was going to say damn, you got me confused again! But then I remembered a post from shannon that said that those issues mostly stem from fear so I intend to do an OF run first then possibly switch to E4 because I believe my SA may be from shame and lack of self compassion too.
Besides, E4 may work better after a run of OF.
If you remove fear you dont really resolve the issue of self esteem imo. In short we lack self esteem because we have been conditioned by our upbringing, society and culture to not value and like ourselves. If you remove the fear you have only taken away the symptom. To heal self esteem we need to cultivate acceptance and compassion toward ourselves.
OF is good and its not a bad choice, but only removing fear wont really fix your relationship with yourself (low self esteem). Not my intention to confuse you but this is my experience atleast.