06-08-2018, 02:34 PM
(06-06-2018, 11:51 PM)JackOfHearts Wrote:(06-06-2018, 05:00 PM)Voytek Wrote:(06-06-2018, 11:53 AM)JackOfHearts Wrote: My point here is that we don't know what's in there so the "trust" factor isn't the same, among other things.
But does this factor even matter? Many people who didn't believe and trust in Shannon's subliminals have gotten their results.
In hypnosis it does matter for sure, in subs I don't know. I think it does too though I can't test it. In hypnosis as long as you haven't convinced the guy in front of you that it's safe and you know what you are doing it's probably not going to work or work only partialy.
I think it's not a switch either. It's not like you trust everything blindly at first glance thought the first encounter is very important. And it's the same in hypnosis you can lose the trust factor every time you do something stupid and irrelevant or they think what you do is stupid and irrelevant. With people who are very impatient and stressed or opinionated it's not on easy task.
I tend to think recently that the reason subs doesn't seem to work as much is that we don't work enough with the conscious mind. We let all the work to the subs and expect everything from it. With AM5 for example there was a book recommended as a guideline so that the conscious mind actually had something to play with.
Regarding your question it's hard to know if the people who tried didn't believe at all, if they tried it means they had some hope that it's possible to begin with. Some people doesn't need much work as they are very open to new experience, they don't have a big barrier between the world and them, so their doubt are easily switched. From my experience as an hypnotist some people are so open that even if you come off as untrustworthy to some extent they still try and are open to see what it is that you can offer. I have a "friend" who is a very bad hypnotist and he still can hypnotise the people who are the easiest to do, some are so easy that you don't need to do anything, they just follow the instructions.
If subliminal and hypnosis played by the same rules, we wouldn't need to spend decades teasing out the secrets of how to word subliminal scripts. The conscious mind can't read the script, but the subconscious can. That means it knows what is in the script.
This leaves us with one or both of the following possibilities:
1. The conscious mind is resisting because it doesn't trust the script. Although, why would you run the program in the first damned place if this was the case?
2. The subconscious is defining as "unsafe" whatever it fears. This makes sense. Given the current safety config, this turns out to be a high likelihood.
Trusting the script isn't an issue for the subconscious mind, it can see the whole thing.
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The scientist has a question to find an answer for. The pseudo-scientist has an answer to find a question for. ~ "Failure is the path of least persistence." - Chinese Fortune Cookie ~ Logic left. Emotion right. But thinking, straight ahead. ~ Sperate supra omnia in valorem. (The value of trust is above all else.) ~ Meowsomeness!