Shannon's Journal Discussion

[Shannon]

Bought OGSF. @Shannon - nothing jumps out at me in the write-up... would OGSF get rid of reasonable fears as well? I mean, I don't want to be so fearless that I pick fights with bouncers or pet sharks!!

So, some fears are needed (and keep us safe)...

The program script is designed to transfer the job of keeping you safe to your cognitive thinking mind, instead of your irrational and instinctual emotional self. It says that in the description, I believe. But it's designed to help you overcome and outgrow ALL fears. Even the fear that you're not capable of thinking well enough to avoid a fight when it would be undesirable, if you have no fear. By definition, there's no such thing as a "reasonable" fear, as fear is an emotion and therefore irrational and unreasonable by nature.

[cfact]

Thanks Shannon - your explanation makes sense - yes, I read that in the description - but wasn't sure what it meant and just wanted to confirm that the program won't make me recklessly fearless!

[Shawn]

One thing I believe AM needs in the next version is to have the lead in to SM removed. The next version is going to be 100% focus on AM, and nothing else. Not socializing, not females, AM.

Socializing and SM Lead-In were for sure great ideas, but looking back I am wondering if this could be the reason why many people had so great results with SM and WM after doing AM5 but not with AM6. Because AM5 was pure AM, and maybe the people had better foundation there.

[Shannon]

AM5 had the lead in too. If they had better results from AM5 then they were almost certainly resisting hard on AM6 because it was pushing them to grow more than they could deal with.

[ffaux]

The next version is going to be 100% focus on AM, and nothing else. Not socializing, not females, AM.

Based on my personal experience I think this would be a partial mistake. I think the internal beliefs around these topics would need to change to deal with self-image and insecurities that listeners might perceive as making them not alpha male. E.g. overcoming insecurities about being attractive to women, or overcoming insecurities about social status, or overcoming the self-image as being unpopular/uncool/etc.

I'm conflicted about the idea of removing socialising because I believe a wide social circle is important for mental health and status. And thinking about where I was when I started and where some people seem to be when they come to IML perhaps leaving out the social aspects would focus the program to their (my) overall detriment.

But all of this I'm saying from the perspective of still caring about social status and external validation so I'm not sure how things look from the other side.

[Dzemoo]

FrostedFake I think the result you get is more due to your personality that the product itself.

But I agree about your idea overall. In that AM5/6 can make you less social but it's more in the first stage.

I'm on AM6 stage 6 right now and on stage 4 and 5 I couldn't stay at home, I went out everyday I could. Interest in women is there a lot, though it's balanced.

I also think there is a process going on when you do AM6. Exactly like when you lose a fear about doing something. Like when you lose a motivation based on fear for example, doing a job, etc. What I mean is that there is a shift regarding women when you do subs like AM6. So at first you just don't care about women anymore but at some point you can discover a new motivation, a genuine motivation not based on neediness.

Regarding WM vs SM3 I have seen both case. Some guys when doing SM3 had their focus on money/wealth/work. So I will have to disagree on that, SM3 is not more about "chasing pussy".
The result vary a lot depending on who run the subliminal.

You are basically asking for a more social AM version. On that I agree with you there could be a more social AM version. But I would advise this version only for the guys who already did the normal AM at least once. It would be more like level 2 AM which was already proposed when Shannon started to work on AM6.

There is also the problem that we can't really use AM6 long term due the unbalancing programming. You are not really stable when doing the AM sub. Due to that some users lost their girl friend or it was more easy to upset their girlfriend or friend or your general stability in life. This is a setback that is required at first when you are not alpha yet, to push you out of your comfort zone.
But once you have mastered AM enough I don't think it's really needed, could still be useful though but on a term basis not really. It would be more stable like WM2 which doesn't have the unbalancing in each stage.

So what I would want, would be an AM version build in a way similar to WM2:
- no unbalancing
- programming that help to keep a girlfriend is the user wants it, or marriage if at all possible
- more social than AM6 currently is or as the social as the stage 4,5,6 during the whole set.
- still focus on getting you alpha (will be less focus than AM6 but still more than WM2)

Another idea if time is lacking or if it's not profitable to build a new AM version:
-Create an AM version based on the last stage of AM6, stage 4,5,6 with no unbalancing
-requirement would be that you used AM6 whole version at least once.
- The set could a 3 stage or a 6 stage.

PS: AM6 stage 5 seems to be where people noticed more success with women according to various testimonials, a single stage based on this stage could be useful.

alpha gets it, i like the idea

[Shannon]

Dzmoo, if the first three stages were shit for you, they did something good for your life because they would only have been shot because you were dealing with stuff that was needing to be dealt with, which is frequently not a fun thing to deal with. That's partly why I created the program.

But I never said I was going to remove socializing. I said the focus would be on AM only. Which is to say, whatever leads to becoming an alpha, is what it would focus on. Some aspects of socializing need to be dealt with, but I want it to be a natural outgrowth of the focus of the program, not an effort going from the outside in.

[CatMan]

Hence why SM3 was awful for me, and I was exhausted/depressed most of the time...makes complete sense. If a subject is one where you need A LOT of work, then it will likely be a bumpy ride until the script starts being internalised.

I've said that to people so many times, Shannon. Hopefully you'll have greater effect. I think guys need to either give the programs, themselves, or both, more credit.

We're making massive progress here with these, guys.

[CatMan]

"Only AM6" haha, it's still amazing.

Honestly dude, he barely knows what he can do with 6G. It'll be awhile before even ASC 6G is reality, never mind a massive program like AM7, which is only conceptual at this point.

AM6 is insane. I'm more of the opinion it's fear itself holding back magnet results. That's written about in the FAQ in fact about why guys tend to fail on a magnet as well. Running OF5G for like 192 days, and then rerunning AM6 should make you MORE than capable of getting epic results from a magnet.

[Spareness]

FrostedFake I think the result you get is more due to your personality that the product itself.

But I agree about your idea overall. In that AM5/6 can make you less social but it's more in the first stage.

I'm on AM6 stage 6 right now and on stage 4 and 5 I couldn't stay at home, I went out everyday I could. Interest in women is there a lot, though it's balanced.

I also think there is a process going on when you do AM6. Exactly like when you lose a fear about doing something. Like when you lose a motivation based on fear for example, doing a job, etc. What I mean is that there is a shift regarding women when you do subs like AM6. So at first you just don't care about women anymore but at some point you can discover a new motivation, a genuine motivation not based on neediness.

Regarding WM vs SM3 I have seen both case. Some guys when doing SM3 had their focus on money/wealth/work. So I will have to disagree on that, SM3 is not more about "chasing pussy".
The result vary a lot depending on who run the subliminal.

You are basically asking for a more social AM version. On that I agree with you there could be a more social AM version. But I would advise this version only for the guys who already did the normal AM at least once. It would be more like level 2 AM which was already proposed when Shannon started to work on AM6.

There is also the problem that we can't really use AM6 long term due the unbalancing programming. You are not really stable when doing the AM sub. Due to that some users lost their girl friend or it was more easy to upset their girlfriend or friend or your general stability in life. This is a setback that is required at first when you are not alpha yet, to push you out of your comfort zone.
But once you have mastered AM enough I don't think it's really needed, could still be useful though but on a term basis not really. It would be more stable like WM2 which doesn't have the unbalancing in each stage.

So what I would want, would be an AM version build in a way similar to WM2:
- no unbalancing
- programming that help to keep a girlfriend is the user wants it, or marriage if at all possible
- more social than AM6 currently is or as the social as the stage 4,5,6 during the whole set.
- still focus on getting you alpha (will be less focus than AM6 but still more than WM2)

Another idea if time is lacking or if it's not profitable to build a new AM version:
-Create an AM version based on the last stage of AM6, stage 4,5,6 with no unbalancing
-requirement would be that you used AM6 whole version at least once.
- The set could a 3 stage or a 6 stage.

PS: AM6 stage 5 seems to be where people noticed more success with women according to various testimonials, a single stage based on this stage could be useful.

It really explain what is in my mind. I've wondered for a long time LOL.

[sushi521]

Bought OGSF. @Shannon - nothing jumps out at me in the write-up... would OGSF get rid of reasonable fears as well? I mean, I don't want to be so fearless that I pick fights with bouncers or pet sharks!!

So, some fears are needed (and keep us safe)...

The program script is designed to transfer the job of keeping you safe to your cognitive thinking mind, instead of your irrational and instinctual emotional self. It says that in the description, I believe. But it's designed to help you overcome and outgrow ALL fears. Even the fear that you're not capable of thinking well enough to avoid a fight when it would be undesirable, if you have no fear. By definition, there's no such thing as a "reasonable" fear, as fear is an emotion and therefore irrational and unreasonable by nature.

Hi, I just have a question. If all fears are gone, what about the fight of flight response induced by fear that gives you extra energy to react when in dangerous situation?

[Shawn]

AM5 had the lead in too. If they had better results from AM5 then they were almost certainly resisting hard on AM6 because it was pushing them to grow more than they could deal with.

I didn't know. I thought AM5 has just AoS inside. Will AoS be also removed?

[Blink]

One thing I believe AM needs in the next version is to have the lead in to SM removed. The next version is going to be 100% focus on AM, and nothing else. Not socializing, not females, AM.

Great idea!

But maybe have these extra stuff as add-ons? Or different versions of the program? I would go for the plain one. But it seems some of us like to still have them in there. Just a thought.

[Spiritman]

Hi, I just have a question. If all fears are gone, what about the fight of flight response induced by fear that gives you extra energy to react when in dangerous situation?

That is an inborn trait, which will always be there no matter what.