Longer break from Subs

[Life]

You could be the first. It's in the store so you have a money back guarentee

I'm going to beat you all to it yeah it is commitment though *we need it in 5G*

There was a journal on AYPG but it ends without a result and I'm sure there must have been people who may have not registered but got the results, who knows?

Right, but after reading all the shit about just being a player this guy described I'm sure AYP lover 5g would suffice for the time being. I'm not one to say, but the fact that a lot of the AYP's are still in 4g greatly impacts my decision

[Dzemoo]

I also think about rerunning am5 I am not sure

[JackOfHearts]

I also thought about AM5 too but since stage 4 I think AM6 is greater, it just need more time to kick in but when it's there it's as awesome and even better than AM5.
At least 1/3 guys that I encounter love and respect me instantly after 5/10 seconds. Girls melt the same way. Awesome time.

[Dzemoo]

I also thought about AM5 too but since stage 4 I think AM6 is greater, it just need more time to kick in but when it's there it's as awesome and even better than AM5.
At least 1/3 guys that I encounter love and respect me instantly after 5/10 seconds. Girls melt the same way. Awesome time.

yeah its potentially stronger but the results are very short term and not constant like on am5

did you ever see anyone report getting a gf or hooking up on am6? no but on am5 many reported this

what i noticed is only that people are more likely to get in fight with you on am5 than am6 ... since am6 very few poeple were intersted in provoking me into fights but i constantly hear from family and friends that i look very aggressive, angry or in a bad mood, some girl i used to fuck during wm and who loved me during wm was very weird to me on am6 she asked me if everything is alrigth, or if i am drunk then at the end she said i see it something is bothering you

thats what i actually dislike on 5 g its very dependent on your mood and situation

we talked about the great effects of am6 alpha but as we mentioned it you cant enjoye it if you are constantly annoyed by everything

another thing i dont like about the multistages is you always have to be congruent to the programming on wm2 you always have to be playful and in good mood on am you always have to be dominant otherwise they lose interst very fast like my current gf

i met her by the end of stage 5 and it lasted till yesterday

she asked me do you want to meet otherwise i go to sleep
i said do you want?
she said i dont care its up to you
i said i dont care either
she said ok so thats it
i said yes

and that was it wow i had a gf for like 3-4 weeks

i dont have to mention that i rejected 5 women during this time that wanted to hook up with me just because i wanted to stay loyal


on the other hand all of my gfs for the last 1,5 years did let me do anal and deepthroat with them after a week or two , some from the beginning, while my friend had to wait a year before his girl allowed him to fuck her without a condom and suck his dick, and thats what shannons subs are all about they give you super powers for a short period of time but then it burns down very fast

[JackOfHearts]

I agree about the bad mood, on this stage 5 when I'm in a bad mood people notice it and tell me about it. It's very noticeable it seems. I mostly get into a bad mood when there is a lot of drinking involved or when I'm bored.

It seems I'm about to get a girlfriend since yesterday lol, not sure yet but with all the attraction I'm getting if it's not her it will be another girl.
Since stage 3 I have this aura that I'm very dominant but I'm also very calm, charming, loving, kind.

On the conversation maybe she wanted you to be kind to her, show her some love. Otherwise she is just a piece of meat. I don't know the whole story though. It seems she wanted you to take the decision about the relationship within this text. And you said "I don't care" which she would have translated in her mind " I don't care about the relationship"
So to me you ended the relationship. I think at some point it's ok to care for a girl, showing that you don't care at all whether she is there or not isn't going to help. At the beginning yes because you don't know her. But after 1 month if you doesn't find any purpose in her presence, if she doesn't feel loved or appreciated she is going ask if you care for her. That's how I see it.
If there is no manipulation involved.

Maybe it's the stage switching, I feel like I'm a different person each time I switch stage. So she surely noticed a big different if you switch stage.

Edit: I could even go further:
"do you want to meet otherwise i go to sleep" --- That's her telling you, do you care for me, do you love me?
" i said do you want?" --- that's you asking the same question, so taking the female role. Asking if she love you. You are not supposed to ask her that.

[JackOfHearts]

Only someone who has run a program 3 times and then at least a month pause could tell you that.
I don't see any on this forum. They are all sub junkie, they never stop doing it

But if you notice girl are still running after Dzemoo so it's not all bad. It's just a limitation regarding having a long term girlfriend and the sub wasn't made on that purpose, quiet the opposite in fact.

[Vincent_Vega]

thats what shannons subs are all about they give you super powers for a short period of time but then it burns down very fast

So you think these subs aren't a long term solution? Cause if not I'm lost. How am I supposed to achieve my goals now... I had trouble changing by myself, I wouldn't be where I'm at now probably even in 3 years. But it won't last or is shaky? Maybe its because you haven't run any programs more than once?

Are subs a gimmick, a short time high like a drug? Or are they a real solution and path to growth?

I think not permanent in terms of if you don't run subs for 10 years, you will lose the effects. But I don't really see a problem in maintaining the effects by running the subs (or the refresher) for a few hours every day.

[Dzemoo]

@ alpha she said i dont care first, i have no problem taking the female role because i dont want to be the strong man caring all the huge weight of a relationship on my shoulders i said her several times that we both are responsible for this relationship i dont validate her if she doesnt validate me, i would fight for the relationship if she would said it different straight to the point but saying i dont care is very disrespectful, if she would say "i am afraid that i will loose you " i would react differently like i did in the past, but yeah i dont take the role of the white knight who is ready to solve every problem she comes up, and its the stage switching like you said which makes me doubt the logic of the multistages because you are like you say a different person on every stage

@Frosted fake it depends what your long term goal is, for me i fear they are not that what i expected it to be, because it seems that you can never master them because you will always have something to struggle with, but yes if you want to attract random women and have random short time sexual experiences with them then they are a solution for you but its like alpha said we wont know if nobody did atleast 3 runs and a month break

thats what i said here multiple times its really not hard to have a girlfriend if you do everything for her, i would be in a relationship with an uglier girl i dont love if she would do everything for me, pay and buy me stuff, pay for my holidays and say and text me 20 times a day that she loves me, thats why all the ugly guys that serve their girls and think they are better than me or other alphas misconcept, its not about having a girl its about having a girl that is sensitive to your needs, if its the opposite she will have the need to use and abuse you and thats not what would make me happy even if its the hottest girl on the planet if i have to serve her and lick her pussy and asshole for 30 mins everytime we have sex (like my friend does) than that means nothing to me


edit: i also noticed that i hate it how loud she breaths when she sleeps because it doesnt let me sleep thats when i had to think back about my ex and how i loved to listen to her breathing while she sleeps

[Life]

Frosted I can't believe how you're talking as if you haven't noticed change. I'm going to be running subs until I die but even if I stopped now I would still have what AM6 gave me and I can't imagine that going away but it's irrelevant

[Dzemoo]

But if you notice girl are still running after Dzemoo so it's not all bad. It's just a limitation regarding having a long term girlfriend and the sub wasn't made on that purpose, quiet the opposite in fact.

and whats shit too is that until stage 4 nothing regarding girls happened so i had to wait 3 months to have a time window of 3 months were girls are attracted to me, i sometimes think it would be more useful to just rerun the last 3 stages of the programm

becasue in the first 3 i saw only regress

and thats sad we need a relationship magnet or girlfirend magnet like ryan said

[Dzemoo]

Guider of course I noticed change but how am I supposed to know if it lasts. That's why I'm asking someone that has ran subs longer than me, and has mentioned something that I interpreted as "subs work half the time amazing and the other half not at all. and also the changes don't last".

I guess I just missread what you wrote Dzemoo. Even without subs, you will never reach "there" you can only become closer and closer. I thought you meant that either the sub worked amazing or not at all. Unless that is what you're saying? :p

different subs works under different enviorements

am6 for example works perfectly for me when i am in a bad and shitty mood thats when i made my girl cry every second day and tell me she will never leave ?

but how i got into this shitty mood? by taking huge doses of progestine derivates like trenbolone, i was constantly in a mood of fuck it i cant do this anymore and she sensed it and fought for the relationship

since i switched to dht-derivates my mood changed from pissed to good and i couldnt get that angry anymore and thats when she lost her attraction


on wm it was the opposite i had to be in a state of good mood to attract women
so yes its what i say they either work amazing or not at all

what depresses me is that noone accepts you for who you really are its all about your state thats what i realized during this years of subs, i could never enjoy or love this women because i always thought she only likes me because of wm2 stage 5 or she only likes me because of sm3 stage 3 and so on thats fucked up and by the end of the month you are afraid to switch to the next stage because you know it will all change

will alpha be able to hold his girl during stage 5 ? sure will he be able to hold her during stage 6 maybe? but after ? for how long?


over the years i dated maybe 100 women but what is left from this? some reputation, some photos and thoughts about how it felt to be inside them thats all, i am not the guy i was 5 years ago who is just looking for to get laid and loose his virginity i expect more from life and subs thats why i cant feel positive about this all

i know i will us every new multistage shannons comes up with and will listen to subs my whole life just like i will use performance enhancing drugs my whole life why? because its better to listen to them than not to listen to them without them i wouldnt have met these women in the first place but will i find happiness through subs i dont think so

[Darkness]

I've been thinking about this dzemo.

[Life]

I'm going to give you the honest straight to the point perspective. AM6 is purging you of negativity. I know you are aware that this whole entire time you are being yourself, and the sub is helping improvement. So how would you feel a person isn't giving affection to the real you? It's not only you, even I can feel like shit sometimes listening to these subs, but I don't resist where it takes me. It's MY subconcious carrying out the instructions. It's you that is making use of performance enhancing drugs. You're being hard on yourself but you deserve women's love, because you are being yourself. The world is not over, life goes on. However if you keep up with this self depreciating attitude, I know of many cases where guys predicted that they wouldn't live past 21 and that was their reality. We know better than that though. Don't we?

[Breeze]

From what I interpret, Dzemoo...

1. It is obvious that you want a relationship. But from what you have seen of friends and guys in general, you do not want to end up like them, kissing the girl's ass.

2. Different subs give you different vibes. If the girls weren't attracted to you for who you really are, but only due to sub's influence, everybody must have the same results! Subs do not change us, they break us, build us, refine and polish us, but do not "change" us. You are still you. You always were. So give yourself more credit!

3. Everything doesn't have to fall under two broad categories of alpha or beta. For example, when she said, "I don't care it's up to you". You do not have to reply a brick with a stone. You could have said, "Okay then, meet me tomorrow at 6 PM and tell me how much you don't care. "