Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8

[Shannon]

Keep in mind that AM6 attempts to do healing and clearing, to a degree, but is 12 years old and built in 5G.  In the last 12 years, and sometimes directly as a result of what AM6 could not accomplish, a lot has changed and I have learned a great deal. 

Generally speaking it is a very good idea to use EHPRA and/or (depending on your time, needs and patience) OGSF before running AM6.  It will significantly speed up the success rate of AM6.

I think Frosted is asking about a scenario where all tech is equal (i.e. 6g).

I cannot answer hypotheticals because I don't know how the 6G programs are designed scripturally yet.

[Frosted]

I think Frosted is asking about a scenario where all tech is equal (i.e. 6g).

I cannot answer hypotheticals because I don't know how the 6G programs are designed scripturally yet.

Dang, I half expected this answer but was hoping I was wrong. Guess we will see.

[callie]

Will you ever upgrade UH do you think? A very underrated sub imo

I had actually concluded that UH was not worth upgrading because it wasn't flexible enough.  To achieve certain goals with physical healing, there was the possibility of too much emotional healing focus, and vice versa.  But I can consider it if it is something you think is worth while.

I thought it was great. It’s one of the subs I was able to stay consistent with. It didn’t overwhelm me too much. However, perhaps it’s not worthwhile for you to upgrade it, as I seem to be one of the few who really appreciated it.

[Shannon]

I had actually concluded that UH was not worth upgrading because it wasn't flexible enough.  To achieve certain goals with physical healing, there was the possibility of too much emotional healing focus, and vice versa.  But I can consider it if it is something you think is worth while.

I thought it was great. It’s one of the subs I was able to stay consistent with. It didn’t overwhelm me too much. However, perhaps it’s not worthwhile for you to upgrade it, as I seem to be one of the few who really appreciated it.

I hadn't gotten this kind of feedback on it from anyone, which is what led me to conclude this.  Tell me more about your experience with it.

[Ampersnd]

Inevitable question, but can Extreme Social Proof Aphrodisiac be used with the longer subliminals?
For example, I want to run OGSF, but also give ESPA a try here or there.
Is that feasible?

[Shannon]

Inevitable question, but can Extreme Social Proof Aphrodisiac be used with the longer subliminals?
For example, I want to run OGSF, but also give ESPA a try here or there.
Is that feasible?

As far as I know so far it should be possible, if you keep your own exposure to ESPA sufficiently minimal.  I don't have specifics yet.

[Shannon]

As a continuation, without unduly using someone's journal inappropriately, I will continue the conversation here.

AM and SM are six stage sets, which are actually 7 stages.  That's 7 subliminals for $500.  Now, a single stage or title is $450.  The price has never changed from when I created it in 2012.  You assume that it should go down over time, and I see that it should go up because of inflation, and it's not losing value over time because it still is the same thing.  That it is still $500 a copy, instead of roughly $1500 because of inflation, sounds to me like you are already getting a reduced price.



Also, I'd like to point out that everything you're doing is failing because you're not following the advice you're given, and/or you're not following the instructions.  Instead you're trying to do things your way.  You obviously have something to work through, and instead of doing that you keep going off and doing other things, hoping you somehow magically won't have to work through that core foundational issue.



If you're not willing to get that core issue handled, then you're wasting your time.  Everything else is going to be influenced by it.  As I understand it, your core issue stems from not having the finances to have the autonomy you need to take some of these progressions and steps. Is your core issue finances or pussy?  Because chasing after pussy will reduce your finances, and chasing after money will increase your options with sex.  It looks to me like you keep trying to chase after pussy instead of handling the core of the issue.

I don't see why a man can't do both

For example running SM and taking new action to better his finance issues.

Also I don't see how that has anything to do with the auras.



Not sure if you're really concerned,

I'll assume you do so I'll share,

I'm going to start a 1 year long professional course in the university to change my situation and to work in a big corporation.



To your question,

Pussy is one of my main issues as it affects my life.

A man who cannot attract women is by definition sterile.

It does effect my productivity.



About expenses I'm not sure what you did it go in your life, women and gf I had never were a burden to my finances.

To the contrary, hanging out too much with the guys can costs more.



Even if I spent money on gf it was never a lot and never needed to be a lot.

Again I'm not sure what you guys do there in the USA because it's not the first time you brought this up.



When I had a gf I was actually more focused on achieving goals than anything else.



Nevermind, going down this rabbit hole and arguing here is not my intention...

A man cannot sail East and West at the same time.  Neither can he focus himself on becoming financially successful and chasing women successfully at the same time.  One or the other - or most likely both - will suffer.  Pursuing women is the antithesis of pursuing wealth and success.  If you don't understand that yet, it would certainly help explain why you've made the choices you have so far.

Pussy is one of my main issues as it affects my life.
A man who cannot attract women is by definition sterile.
It does effect my productivity.

Firstly, a man who cannot attract women is not, "by definition", sterile.  Sterile means he cannot impregnate a woman because he does not have sufficient numbers of sperm, or sufficiently healthy sperm.  This definition you have is not just faulty, but very damaging for you, as you will discover if you don't change it. 

Secondly, choosing to pursue wealth and success instead of women does not say anything about your ability to attract them, except that you understand that you will never be truly successful with them until you can fully assume the role they expect of you as a man, which is to be successful and financially stable.  Which would be why the smart man chases wealth and success, and allows women to be the natural side effect of that endeavor.

I'm not sure how it affects your productivity.

About expenses I'm not sure what you did it go in your life, women and gf I had never were a burden to my finances.

To the contrary, hanging out too much with the guys can costs more.

Whether or not the women cost you financially more than hanging out with your male friends is only part of the equation.  The fact is, spending time on women before wealth and success still costs you TIME, which is your most valuable asset, and you cannot ever get that time back.  That time is est spent achieving the wealth and success that will make you self sufficient, and give you your own home, your freedom, and your ability to be your own man and the master of your own fate.

I'm sure there is a cultural difference, and I cannot know what it is, but I'm just trying to give you the benefit of my years on this planet and what I have learned from the mistakes I have made.

Ps
About price and inflation talk:
I didn't want to talk about the prices of certain programs you actually brought up the specifics.
So I'll say firstly:


$500 in 2012 is equivalent in purchasing power to about $684.20 today, an increase of $184.20 over 12 years. The dollar had an average inflation rate of 2.65% per year between 2012 and today, producing a cumulative price increase of 36.84%.

Moreover if the programs give the user much less that what E6 should and btw E6 is $450? Which should be 1 part of a 6 stager....
Than that would make E6 expensive.
However if it works and it's a new technologies one can argue that's the value.

I did however think the details on the page should be updated. To give customers better understandings.

Claiming AM6 today should be $1500 because of inflation is first not accurate as I've mentioned.

Secondly an old technology usually goes for less as time goes by.
So that is an outrageous claim all together.



I just want to mention, read again my precious reply that you quoted me,
I didn't tell you how to price your products that's your call not mine.
Once you brought up inflation and claiming it should be $1500, plus stating your opinion that old tech should cost the same. Then I did say my opinion as well.

Again I'm not fighting with you man, I see you as someone who can help me therefore to fight with you would be counterproductive.

I had stated $1,500 because I thought it would be an excessive enough amount that you would not take it literally.  The point being that the price should have gone up, not down.

You believe that the price should go down over time because certain other things have their price go down over time.  Not everything works the same way when it comes to pricing.

The price of the programs is determined by the generation of technology and where the majority of customers find that its price is balanced by the value they gain from it.  Not everyone gets the results, which is why we have a refund policy, but the majority will get that level of value or greater than that value.  In current tech, if I were to rebuild AM6 as a 5.11G with no changes at all to the script, the resulting set would be 6 x $450 or $2,700 for the set.  The difference being that 5.11G is vastly more powerful, high impact, capable and better at achieving execution, even in the face of even heavy resistance.  It is also vastly better at achieving execution without triggering resistance.  You would expect that 12 years of research and development would do that.

One thing you may not be aware of is that part of why I charge what I do is that I personally fund all of the research and development that results in these technology and scripting advances.  It is not cheap.  In fact it's so expensive that even though I am the sole owner of the business, I haven't had a budget for advertising in quite some time.  When 6G comes about, we then have to do formal clinical trials to scientifically prove what the programs are capable of doing, and that will be even more expensive. 

Ultimately, I and many other men have used and had great success with AM6.  And SM, and many other 5G subliminals.  The value is there, for the vast majority of those who use them.  In your case, you aren't in a position to be able to execute, as far as I can tell, partly because you have a financial barrier, and partly as a result of certain beliefs you seem to hold which are likely cultural in origin, which are apparently interfering, as well as the fact that you do not yet have your freedom because you don't have your financial situation handled fully.  

I don't know what your culture is, and it wouldn't matter if I did because I am unfamiliar with it to a large degree, so my efforts to help you seem to be hitting a barrier of either translation by language or by culture.  But ultimately, I cannot see how you're going to succeed ultimately with women if you don't have yourself handled first.  Maybe I'm wrong, maybe that doesn't apply in your culture.  And if that is the case, then I am wrong.  But my experience has shown me that of all the various factors that makes a man successful with women, it is MONEY that rules them all.  Not because you need to have money to pay her or because you want what we would call "gold diggers".  It's because the only way to have the full potential of a man be present is to have handled your fiances well enough to have your own freedom.  That typically means having no dependence on anyone in your family, and being able to either afford to travel or owning a home of your own.  You must have the money to take care of yourself sufficiently to free yourself to actually be able to have the time, freedom and resources to cover the logistics that you need to cover when you're looking for a woman, or even just sex. 

And this is a mistake I see guys making constantly, pursuing sex instead of developing themselves and their success sufficiently to be able to have the freedom and options that naturally result in interest from women.  I don't know about your culture, but in my culture here in the USA, no woman would have a man who still lived with his parents at 30+.  And I know this first hand, because I was forced to live with my mother in my 30's to take care of her in her old age until she died.  I had no trouble attracting women, but the moment they found out that I lived with my mother - regardless of why - they lost interest and walked away.  It wasn't until I owned a house and did not live with my mother after she died that I again started succeeding with women.  For several years I was forced to choose between women and caring for my elderly mother his way, and I chose to repay her for when she took care of me when I had cancer by taking care of her.  But there wasn't a woman in my life for more than a couple dates during that time because of it.  Even though I was doing the right thing, the honorable thing, proving I cared about my family and sacrificing my own sex life and relationships to take care of my mother.

And it wasn't until I had sufficient financial success that I found myself able to sufficiently take care of myself and attract a woman who was worth keeping.

Ultimately I don't know if things are so different in your culture that this doesn't matter or if you simply don't understand yet what I am trying to get across, but through all this, my goal is to help you as much as I can because you're a paying customer and I want you to get what you paid for.  And to that end,m my advice stands: I suggest you focus fully on getting yourself financially sorted so you can have your own home and your own freedom to be your own man and your own leader.  That will make a HUGE difference in your life, not just in executing AM and SM, but in attracting women otherwise as well.

[Topaz]

Firstly, thank you for helping me understand your points better.
I truly appreciate your advice and effort to assist me!

As mentioned, I don't want to delve into the pricing of your products because I don't understand the complexities and costs involved in their development.
And it's not my place to talk about.
I've always paid for your products without hesitation because I value their potential benefits. 
And I would like to experience those benefits.

Regarding my living situation, it's a bit more complex than I initially mentioned, and I prefer not to go into too many details here. 
I'm starting a very expensive one-year professional course at the university soon, aiming for a high-paying job, which I hope of getting.

And I've made some changes to improve my finances as well. 
I believe it might be AM6 that played a role in motivating me to pursue these improvements.

I need your guidance on what to do next. 
Should I run AM6 again now, or do you have other suggestions?
I understood from you that I should run AM6 again soon. 
Given my less satisfactory results with SM3 and the resulting frustration, I considered running DMSI for a month or two to hopefully gain some success that could positively impact and bleed into my AM6 run or whatever else run.
Having some women in my AM6 can really help as well.

Regarding women, my current issue is that I can't even get a date, so living with my parents doesn't seem to be the primary obstacle. 
Unless I talk to non local girls then it can be easier.
You might be surprised but even some high quality girls from Switzerland wanted me to move there with them. I want to date girls from my own culture even I might end up changing my mind.

Most girls I've encountered aren't high value.
 If I meet a high-quality girl, we could easily move out together, which most women here would accept. Just by splitting rent.

I've saved money on rent for years to buy a small apartment, I didn't finish to pay for it and the construction stage will require a lot of money from me. That's why I should save or improve my income.
I could sell my part right now and rent a very expensive place instead but I don't see it as a smart move.

This place should enable me to move to a better high demand place in a few years, presenting myself as a high-value male.as well.

I've had three serious girlfriends who understood my situation and we're impressed, one I almost moved out with her before I ended up broke up due to her manipulative behaviors. 
Currently I have some privacy at home it's not a small place I live in, and my parents are supportive when needed in a new relationship.
Actually just the fact that I live in the place that I do contract some women because it's not a small place...


It might sound less appealing to women when I live with my parents, but they don't care once I am willing to move out with them or they understand I used to live outside and needed to come back in because of a financial move.

Many high-quality women here date low-quality guys who don't have a fraction of what I do (looks skills and abilities include). 
These women often end up with someone low-quality because they met in a social circle, like a coffee place where he works. 
He might live with roommates in a bad part of the city, yet she would have his babies despite the financial instability. 
If I try to approach her outside her social circle, she would likely ignore me or say she has a boyfriend.

I hope this explains my perspective better.

I hope I'm not wrong trying to cut SM3 run shorter this way I can give DMSI a chance to bleed in to another maybe AM6 run.

I still don't get one thing.
SM3 should have attracted women I mean at least in my vacation abroad as well.
I think the lack of results may has to do with subconscious unwillingness to execute rather than where I live.
I still don't really understand the subconscious fear that you talk about because I don't have this fear if I consciously try to manifest or do affirmations for example. 
Just a week or two of visualizing can really bring things in many areas for me. 
And don't you understand the subconscious thing when you listen to a subliminal so then you have a subconscious resistance for it to execute it's so weird to me because it's sex magnet should work anyway even if a person is not in the best place in the world or had the best round of alpha male again I'm not aware of all the moving parts here and I'm not sure why is as it is. 

Thank you

[GreekGod22]

My 2 cents on focusing on building money/ wealth vs focusing on getting women.

Shannon is definitely right in the sense that making more money will open up more possibilities with women. I also agree that one can't really excel/ focus in 2 areas at the same time.
I think it depends on what you're willing to sacrifice.  It's great to be ambitious about making more money and making sacrifices towards this purpose. But at what cost? If it costs you exciting memories and life experiences that you miss because you need to focus on work/ business, is it really worth it?
And realistically, most men are not going to make it big financially, to hit the jackpot. So you can make all those sacrifices towards this purpose, but you won't have any guarantee that you're going to make it.

Also, I don't agree with the concept of |monk mode|. I think it's best to pick a goal that is your main focus for the next 6-12months, dedicate a lot of time to it, but also don't completely neglect other areas of your life (dating life). So never completely isolate yourself from women.
It's always a good idea to keep your dating life somewhat active. Going on dates every now and then, having a friends with benefits situation will make you less desperate for sex, and will allow you to better focus on your work/ business.
Never let your social and dating skills get rusty. Plenty of rich men that have bad experiences with women, getting cheated on or divorced because they don't understand female psychology and seduction.

Not realistically doable: building money/ wealth and going out multiple nights per week (to do nightgame, daygame)
Realistically doable: building money/ wealth and having a friend with benefits relationship, going on a date once a week.

[Topaz]

My 2 cents on focusing on building money/ wealth vs focusing on getting women.

Shannon is definitely right in the sense that making more money will open up more possibilities with women. I also agree that one can't really excel/ focus in 2 areas at the same time.
I think it depends on what you're willing to sacrifice.  It's great to be ambitious about making more money and making sacrifices towards this purpose. But at what cost? If it costs you exciting memories and life experiences that you miss because you need to focus on work/ business, is it really worth it?
And realistically, most men are not going to make it big financially, to hit the jackpot. So you can make all those sacrifices towards this purpose, but you won't have any guarantee that you're going to make it.

Also, I don't agree with the concept of |monk mode|. I think it's best to pick a goal that is your main focus for the next 6-12months, dedicate a lot of time to it, but also don't completely neglect other areas of your life (dating life). So never completely isolate yourself from women.
It's always a good idea to keep your dating life somewhat active. Going on dates every now and then, having a friends with benefits situation will make you less desperate for sex, and will allow you to better focus on your work/ business.
Never let your social and dating skills get rusty. Plenty of rich men that have bad experiences with women, getting cheated on or divorced because they don't understand female psychology and seduction.

Not realistically doable: building money/ wealth and going out multiple nights per week (to do nightgame, daygame)
Realistically doable: building money/ wealth and having a friend with benefits relationship, going on a date once a week.

About going on dates once a week:
I agree I don't even need it be once a week
Even once in 3/4 weeks is fine
I did neglect for 50-65% of my AM6 my going outs with friends and obviously it affected my dating life which were almost non existent.
I felt I needed to sacrifice and I did.
However it affected my mental health as you can see.
I therefore need to find the balance.

Moreover through SM3 I mostly continued to focus on myself I only went on 3 dates when on vacation.
Think about it...
It means 3 days in one week on a vacation after approaching 20 women and having some free time.

Other than that for 2 stages and few days in stage 3 no dates.
It's not like I just chat women everyday and not working on my goals and my career

SM3 seem to help me I think and not sure with building myself...
Not complaining in that aspect

Thank you for writing your opinion as well
It does help clarify what I mean

[4Kingdoms]

...here in the USA, no woman would have a man who still lived with his parents at 30+.  
And I know this first hand, because I was forced to live with my mother in my 30's to take care of her in her old age until she died.  
I had no trouble attracting women, but the moment they found out that I lived with my mother - regardless of why - they lost interest and walked away

I am a caregiver. I take care of my 80 y/o completely blind Mom. 
I'm 58 y/o. Yes, we live together.
@Shannon is correct. Women don't want to compete with Mom. 

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Realistically doable: building money/ wealth and having a friend-with-benefits relationship, going on a date once a week.

@GreekGod22 describes the life path I decided to go on.
I work 60 hours a week. Go out once a week with a "friend w/benefits".
I have more than one "friend w/benefits" because of my work schedule and days off.

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I know a lot of single men & women. 
They live alone and have no one they have to care for.
All they do is complain about is how life sucks.

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Anything is possible.
Everyone's situation is different.
Decide what path you want to follow and make the best of your situation.

[Topaz]

I've spoken with a friend over the phone
He used AM6 once and he's a customer (not on the forum)

He told me I should give SM3 a try even though he totally understands me and my frustrations.
Because we both were on a different program in the past manifesting a lifestyle using affirmations and visualizations.

He told me I wouldn't know what it could do if I don't finish it and anyway even if I'm not satisfied to at least give it a chance.

So even though I've subscribed to DMSI and used it for one day (btw the flood of energy is very uncomfortable I don't see why it should use bodily resources like food and sexual energy instead of the universe energy to manifest women)
I'll stop

I'll continue with SM3...
Thank you for encouraging me to continue that's why I've spoken with him about it...
I'll take at least one day off and continue with stage 3 as intended.

[Shannon]

I've spoken with a friend over the phone
He used AM6 once and he's a customer (not on the forum)

He told me I should give SM3 a try even though he totally understands me and my frustrations.
Because we both were on a different program in the past manifesting a lifestyle using affirmations and visualizations.

He told me I wouldn't know what it could do if I don't finish it and anyway even if I'm not satisfied to at least give it a chance.

So even though I've subscribed to DMSI and used it for one day (btw the flood of energy is very uncomfortable I don't see why it should use bodily resources like food and sexual energy instead of the universe energy to manifest women)
I'll stop

I'll continue with SM3...
Thank you for encouraging me to continue that's why I've spoken with him about it...
I'll take at least one day off and continue with stage 3 as intended.

Did you read the instructions for SM?  IIRC, Both AM and SM are designed such that they require that you finish what you start.  They use a special unbalancing method that pushes you out of your normal state of balance/comfort zone in a specific direction in each stage, which is then balanced and adjusted in the next stage to push you out of balance in a different direction in the pursuit of growth.  This is continued until Stage 6, which re-balances you.  For this reason, you must finish what you start with these programs unless there is a genuinely life threatening reason to stop, or unless you happen to be someone who shouldn't be using the program in the first place (diagnosed with or have some sort of psychological disease, disorder or form of insanity).

So even though I've subscribed to DMSI and used it for one day (btw the flood of energy is very uncomfortable I don't see why it should use bodily resources like food and sexual energy instead of the universe energy to manifest women)

You are the only person I have ever had report that the energy flooding in DMSI is "uncomfortable".  That should tell you something.

DMSI is basically causing you to project an energy aura that is much, MUCH more powerful than your normal aura would be.  That requires plentiful energy sources, and it turns out that it needs both physical and non-physical energy sources.  The physical comes from food, which makes perfect sense.  The non-physical is used to fuel the sexual attraction of the women you affect.  You have to spend even more energy transmuting "universal energy" into something that will trigger sexual attraction (which must be sexual in nature itself).  So why wouldn't you just use sexual energy in the first place?

This makes me think you may have some sort of subconscious aversion to sex.  Is there a negative association to sex in your culture or religion?

As for getting results with affirmations... did you know that affirmations only affect your conscious and what I call the "shallow" subconscious?  The median and deep subconscious aren't affected by those much if at all without very long term use, like years and longer.  So one of the things my subliminals do is seek the cooperation and help of the shallow, median and deep subconscious to achieve their goals.  If you have a blocking belief at the median or deep subconscious level, then affirmations might work without triggering that.  But that belief at the deeper levels will be why you needed affirmations in the first place.

If you're going to continue using SM, I'll have Ben cancel your subscription and give you a pro-rated refund.

[callie]

I thought it was great. It’s one of the subs I was able to stay consistent with. It didn’t overwhelm me too much. However, perhaps it’s not worthwhile for you to upgrade it, as I seem to be one of the few who really appreciated it.

I hadn't gotten this kind of feedback on it from anyone, which is what led me to conclude this.  Tell me more about your experience with it.

When I wasn't resisting, I genuinely felt good about myself and my depression lifted. However, I found that I couldn't keep up with the 9 consecutive days of listening as the instructions suggested so I did something like 5-6 days which helped to avoid overload or intense resistance. Overall I experienced some cool shifts, better energy flow, less body tension and my depression improved considerably. Had I kept going maybe I would have healed some very deep issues I have from childhood. However, I got sidetracked and switched to OFv4 when it was released. It was very rough for me to run and UH never worked the way it used to after my episode with OFv4.