Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3

[Theron]

My first attempt at 6 loops today and my brain was actually hurting by the end of loop 5. and I was feeling nausea. Not sure if it was resistance or overload by the front part of my head and upper jaw wanted to go outside my head!!!
It is also very hard to focus and work when playing the US. Never had this problem till now.
I had to stop listening to the loops overnight as it messes very badly with sleep.

[Fluffy]

Shannon my latest experiences proves without doubt dmsi in its current creation does work sorry if i doubted you.

Because you hugged a woman?

[thor2014]

Shannon my latest experiences proves without doubt dmsi in its current creation does work sorry if i doubted you.

Because you hugged a woman?

Yes and I am seeing her tomorrow night for drinks. A girl that you hardly know wouldn't hug you and offer to come for drinks after the end of her shift. I had only spoken to her previously weeks ago. She even felt my hardon and kept pulling
me close in.

I got the feeling that she wanted to hug me because she wanted to bath in my sexual energy. That's my theory I might be wrong Shannon or others might have more water tight theories.

[Fluffy]

Shannon my latest experiences proves without doubt dmsi in its current creation does work sorry if i doubted you.

Because you hugged a woman?

Yes and I am seeing her tomorrow night for drinks. A girl that you hardly know wouldn't hug you and offer to come for drinks after the end of her shift. I had only spoken to her previously weeks ago. She even felt my hardon and kept pulling
me close in.

I got the feeling that she wanted to hug me because she wanted to bath in my sexual energy. That's my theory I might be wrong Shannon or others might have more water tight theories.

I beg to differ. A promiscuous woman would.

Cool, here's to many more like this and better

[SargeMaximus]

Shannon my latest experiences proves without doubt dmsi in its current creation does work sorry if i doubted you.

Because you hugged a woman?

Yes and I am seeing her tomorrow night for drinks. A girl that you hardly know wouldn't hug you and offer to come for drinks after the end of her shift. I had only spoken to her previously weeks ago. She even felt my hardon and kept pulling
me close in.

I got the feeling that she wanted to hug me because she wanted to bath in my sexual energy. That's my theory I might be wrong Shannon or others might have more water tight theories.

I beg to differ. A promiscuous woman would.

Cool, here's to many more like this and better

Agreed. I've gone from coffee to woman's house in less than an hour. It's possible. And I totally agree: hopefully DMSI makes this more and more common with hotter and hotter girls.

[Shannon]

Shannon do you believe an ascendant alpha is an alpha who is enlightened? Can you be enlightened but not alpha?

Ascendant alpha is a type of enlightenment, but not the type that is commonly discussed religiously. To be an ascendant alpha, you must know and master yourself.

Enlightenment in the religious sense is different in a number of ways.

It is possible to be both at once, and it is possible for them to be experienced separately. Enlightenment in the religious or spiritual sense will often produce behaviors that are extremely alpha, but appear to be extremely beta because those observing do not understand what is happening. True enlightenment is among other things a very high degree of self mastery in a broad sense.

The higher you go on the scale of understanding, by nature, the fewer people around you will understand what you do. And, as a consequence, they will progressively fail to understand what you do because they do not understand the thoughts, understandings, point of view and beliefs that produced those actions.

This is why it is said that "there is a fine line between genius and insanity", because true genius can appear to be insanity to someone who cannot understand the "why" behind the resulting choices and actions.

Self mastery is alphaness, in its own sense, and as with anything, the higher you go on the scale, the less the masses will recognize what they are seeing as being what it actually is.

So for example, the typical image of the "alpha male" is akin to the silverback gorilla. Big, strong, loud and intimidating physically. But this is actually the lowest form of alpha expression possible. The highest form is so far beyond the need to prove anything to anyone that they go completely unnoticed most of the time, unless they want to be noticed. They may, in fact, appear to be betas to those who only understand the silverback style of alpha. To most people, they will simply appear to be lone wolves or relatively nondescript. The only thing that gives them away, usually, is the fact that they do as they please and believe what they do regardless of what others think or say or do. And even that may not be obvious at first glance.

The highest levels of alpha never say that they are alpha. They never do the things that everyone is looking for in a "silverback alpha type". They have mastered themselves to a degree that they do not need that sort of display or recognition because they do not have the insecurities that drive it. Zen alpha is a good way to put it.

Some of the greatest and most recognized names in history who taught peace were this type of alpha. And many people consider them "enlightened" in the religious and/or spiritual sense.

It is possible to achieve a state where "alpha" and "beta" and "sigma" and all the rest cease to apply because the person either has transcended labels or because they have become so highly evolved within themselves that they become something beyond that.

There is no competition for the highest levels of alpha, because they simply decline to compete. They don't need to; they have what they need and want regardless.

Hope that helps explain it a bit.

[Shannon]

Shannon do you believe an ascendant alpha is an alpha who is enlightened? Can you be enlightened but not alpha?

Alpha has nothing to do with enlightenment, but if youre enlightened you will be an alpha by default

Which logically and by definition means they have something to do with one another.

[Shannon]

So.. 2 days of 7 loops of A and I feel like I have had enough lol. I went out to get some food at the super market and I actually noticed less IOI than before which made me feel like all this is silly looking to see if DMSI is doing anything, felt like looking for validation and I do not want to be that guy.

I feel moments of dizziness during the day from doing 2 nights of 7 loops.

After the first night of 7 loops, I felt quite a lot of guilt during the day with certain memories of how I acted with my ex girlfriend and when I went to bed that night I felt it even more and I felt like a bad person and felt like I wanted to make things right...but I realised I can't.

Today I felt like I am not "muscular enough" and it made me think why do I have to be more muscular to feel good about my self! Why!?? If women only find me more attractive because I am more muscular... then I don't even want to be apart of that ***** of game...which society has programmed into me and others. I hate it.

Today after getting my food, I felt like giving up, I just want to get completely off the topic of women and focus on myself. I want to just focus on what I want out of life that is not related to women. I felt relief in that.

Right now I feel dizzy. I am thinking about just letting it bloom and move on.

I feel silly for even thinking this will even make a difference, as if women will magically seduce me. I believe the reason 3.1 was good was because it had "Meet them half way", I felt that it made a lot of difference. Waiting to be seduced 100% seems kinda needy and very passive, I know others will disagree as it is not what DMSI is about, but I feel DMSI is programming that mindset into me and it don't feel productive on the seduction side.

For example... these attractive women I got IOI from, imagine if the programming was 100% for us to take action, and seduce them! I am sure we would have more results by now, because we can then take 100% responsibility. When the ball is in there court we can't take 100% responsibility because we can't control other people, we just have to wait.

I know this is not what DMSI is about, I just don't like the ball being in the other persons court, it feels too passive for me for some reason, I don't like it.

Resistance rant over.

What you are experiencing is the result of "going to boot camp". It takes a lot more energy, and it requires a lot more, faster and deeper processing of the H&C script. That's why you feel the way you do.

And your response seems to be a very subtle subconscious effort to get you to stop by telling you that

I feel silly for even thinking this will even make a difference, as if women will magically seduce me. I believe the reason 3.1 was good was because it had "Meet them half way", I felt that it made a lot of difference. Waiting to be seduced 100% seems kinda needy and very passive, I know others will disagree as it is not what DMSI is about, but I feel DMSI is programming that mindset into me and it don't feel productive on the seduction side.

In other words, it is now clashing directly with your subconscious belief that has held you back from true success so far, which boils down to "man must hunt!". You are defining it as "man must hunt, or he is not a man!", and that leads to the convenient excuse that "Waiting to be seduced 100% seems kinda needy and very passive". Casting it in a negative light. An excuse to stop.

Now the problem with your excuse, here, is that nowhere in DMSI do I tell you to be passive in seduction, stop trying to approach or seduce them, or anything along those lines. Your passivity is YOUR CHOICE, and has nothing to do with DMSI. It's designed to give you maximum freedom and diversity of choice and action. Seduce when you like, and let them come to you when you like. In other words, your excuse is, to put it simply, bullshit.

Your subconscious wants you to stop using it because it's clashing with previously accepted beliefs and definitions about what and who you are, basically making you the prize that is hunted and competed for instead of being the "man" who does the hunting and competition.

But it is false to say that DMSI is stopping you from hunting or seducing. That's your subconscious looking for an excuse - any excuse - to get you to stop.

You will have to understand that a man hunts and seduces because he must. But a high value man only hunts and seduces if and when he wants to - because it is fun, not because he must.

This boils down to your subconscious knows DMSI is going to win if you keep going. It's afraid, so it's trying to find ways and reasons to convince you to stop.

I told you this would happen. Long time ago, before I released 3.2. Guys would start finding really creative and valid sounding "reasons" to stop. The truth is, it's an effort to resist by escape. In other words, it's working.

So I suggest you keep going with 7 loops.

[Zane]

Shannon u should save every post u post here.. On Notepad or something.. You could compile a book and earn a fortune...

[Shannon]

So Shannon, just talking specifically about the anti-resistance tech and measures that will be in place in "DMSI final", will there any upgrades between the "3.x final" and 4.x line?

I'm not even sure there will be a 4.x line yet, and if there is, I am fully planning for 4.0 to be the "end of the line" for DMSI development.

If there is a 4.x line, as you put it, then of course there will be upgrades. Otherwise, how could I consider it a new version number?

Pretty much, if the "final" version for the 3.x line doesn't work for someone, is there any chance the 4.x line would? And for those people are you still going to charge them?

If 3.4 doesn't work for someone and a 4.0 is created, it is very likely that it will work for them. And I haven't really set in stone how I would work charging for the hypothetical version 4.0 yet. I of course want to make it fair. So while I am developing to the last version I am contemplating how to do this. I don't have it worked out just yet.

I've had some dreams since being on 3.2A like the ones other members posted about a few pages earlier, but that's it. No noticeable depression. Maybe playing video games more (while still being productive, but not max productive). I just don't want to have invested so much time into this program and not get the results.

How many loops are you using?

[Shannon]

@Shannon I am sharing and tagging you as this might be useful for you.

I am always exhausting myself reading and studying about self-development and self-improvement. When I started with my first subliminal (AM6.0) I realized that it was really hard for me to continue reading with the same pace. I went from 6-8 hours of reading a day to half an hour. After giving it some thought I did realize this happened because of the subliminal.

Then when I finished the AM6 program, after like 5-7 days my thirst for reading came back really strong. And I was processing information so quickly and not getting tired. I ended up listening to audio books at 1.75-2x speed. In a month I listened to 30 or so audio books.

A month or two later I continued with ARA 5.5G. I again couldn't read that much and in this case, not at all. When I finished I knew that I need to take a 21 days break before moving to another program I don't remember after the break how this urge was. I started with DMSI 3.2.

Fast forward after stopping DMSI 3.2 on 4th of June. It's been almost 20 days and this desire to read came back. I am also aware that DMSI 3.2 needs a 35 day break and my experience from the last programs breaks made me post this.

That is likely a measure of when your subconscious was "very busy processing" the subconscious instructions and trying to execute them enough to focus on something else more than reading. Thanks for the info.

[Shannon]

@Shannon

I have a question that I posted in my daily Journal, maybe you could look into this?:

My question is: does lucid dreaming interfere with the program? I think this falls under the category mind shifting.

Lucid dreaming is not going to interfere with the program unless you are directing your dreams to contradict the instructions it is giving you. It is also done while you sleep, meaning that interrupting state shifting from the program isn't a concern.

I also practiced Astral Projection.

Not a concern.

Also a mind shifting state... Can I still practice this or should I completely stop and wait until the program is over? I did not achieved a lucid dream or astral projection during the program. But I was practicing it before I started this program on monday june 18th.

State shifting while conscious should be avoided while you are in a situation in which the instruction set can or otherwise would be executing.

Could somebody give me advice? Shannon perhaps? I quit meditating because of the mind shifting thing I want to follow the exact instructions. No substance abuse, no cigarettes, no alcohol, just me and my program. 1 loop per day.

Thanks in advance !

We have opened it up to whatever number of loops per day you like. The result is that many have found that 6-7 loops a day is much better for them in breaking through their resistance. One loop per day is what the models gave me as being best because it is a significantly powerful program, and not everyone will be able to handle, or needs, more than that. For the general populace, 1-2 loops should suffice. For the rest, most of you here for example, 1-2 loops a day is going to be what you use to prepare yourself to be ready for more loops. Most people here are here because they're exceptions to the general populace in some way; not getting the results they want, or not getting all the results yet. It skews the way things look, but you guys are not the general populace. So don't get the idea that the models were wrong; they're giving me data for the majority and over long periods of time to give me an accurate view of the Big Picture. You guys tend strongly to be outliers, not the "average person".

So feel free to try upping your loops one per week until you start seeing changes. And keep in mind, sometimes the first signs of success are a very strong desire to quit, and/or a very clever "argument" as to why you should. Don't.

[Shannon]

@Shannon

Hey Buddy hope youre good and alls well.

Exams nearly over then I will get back to DMSI and many loops lol - as usual im procrastinating a lot even though last minute cramming is getting me over the proverbial finishing line. haha

I think many loops are seeming to help those doing it....so my question is simple, if many loops indeed is more effective than the 1 loop regime, then how does this knowledge help you in improving 3.3 or will you use it to improve 3.4?

What number of loops is effective depends on the person. The majority will see best results at 1-2 loops a day. But you guys usually are not part of "the majority". You guys who post here are usually part of the outliers group, who are coming back to post because you aren't getting the results and you want to understand why and know what to do about it.

Jumping straight to ~7 loops a day/etc. would be rather a shock to the average person, even a resistant person, because they would have either never been exposed before or because they weren't prepared for it. So starting at 1 loop and working your way up as necessary is still a good idea.

This does not help me improve 3.3+, really. The things that I was planning to do to lower this value for everyone are still going to be done. This really only gives me an idea how much I need to reduce it at this time for those of you who are unusually resistant.

I feel from what im reading in the journals, that track A and track B seem to be providing the same effects/results is that the case and thus is there a need to have 2 tracks going forward?

thanks in advance bro!

I do not get anything like that from reading the journals. I see a clear and obvious distinction and I see that each has it's strengths, and both are beneficial, especially when used correctly and in concert. Until and unless I see otherwise, we will have A and B sides.

[Shannon]

Shannon my latest experiences proves without doubt dmsi in its current creation does work sorry if i doubted you.

You need not apologize, everyone doubts me. And only with proof do we come to change that doubt into acceptance. So keep proving it to yourself, and I will keep working to make it more obvious in how well it works. Doubting me does not hurt me. Skepticism, reasonable skepticism, is a good thing. It's when you shut your mind down so hard that nothing can persuade you to change, that is not so good.