(10-11-2018, 05:32 AM)RTBoss Wrote: I know I wouldn't give some person I've never met my home address based on online convo. Maybe they'll be more likely to meet up somewhere public first, to make sure you're not a psycho. You may also have to pony up for a hotel.

Unfortunately, I'd bet a lot of chicks are just on there to get off on the dirty talk.

(10-12-2018, 10:04 AM)lano1106 Wrote: Sarge, I'm curious to know if you agree that when they say DMSI will get you success while being yourself implies implicitly that you are going to change.

Most subliminals programs are for changing your behavior to something that you desire. The new person that the program makes you become is now you. (ie: being yourself)

I'm not sure that you can NOT change and get the desired result....

The script is just a training wheel. Once, you fully integrate the underneath principles inside the script, you won't need it anymore. I'm not sure if you have sales experience that relate to that idea. ie: you have been selling something for so long that you know exactly what the script is and it allows you to focus on the people that you are talking to and adjust your delivery accordingly for better result than simply focusing on the script itself..

(10-12-2018, 10:21 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote:

(10-12-2018, 10:04 AM)lano1106 Wrote: Sarge, I'm curious to know if you agree that when they say DMSI will get you success while being yourself implies implicitly that you are going to change.

Most subliminals programs are for changing your behavior to something that you desire. The new person that the program makes you become is now you. (ie: being yourself)

I'm not sure that you can NOT change and get the desired result....

The script is just a training wheel. Once, you fully integrate the underneath principles inside the script, you won't need it anymore. I'm not sure if you have sales experience that relate to that idea. ie: you have been selling something for so long that you know exactly what the script is and it allows you to focus on the people that you are talking to and adjust your delivery accordingly for better result than simply focusing on the script itself..

I'm not sure what you're getting at. In sales I use scripts, I'm not "myself" (tho sometimes I am and I can still sell, but that's because I'm a natural salesman)

To give an example of what I mean:

In sales I learned that if you use a certain tonality you get better results. It's literally night and day. When using that tonality, I am not being myself because I don't normally use it. I can still get sales without it, but I get more with it, it is a technology/technique/trick/manipulation whatever you want to call it. It is not natural for me to talk that way so it is not "me".

Now, over time of course I talk like that more and it has become more "me" to be that way than not, but fact remains it is a technique I consciously decided to use.

Again, not sure what you're getting at but that's what came to mind as a response.

The reason I keep coming back to the "be myself vs. PUA" argument is because people like thor and Ben who hate on PUA so much and say "you can just be yourself". I want to dispel that notion to anyone who is serious about improving with women to show them that no, you DO have toi use techniques and you CANNOT be the way you are because, like you said, you wouldn't get success if you did.

Finally, if DMSI is just a training wheel it is unfortunate because it doesn't provide any direction. I've made more progress with women in the brief moments I used PUA tactics than the years I've used subs.

And so, like I said, I implore Shannon to find a way to make his products superior otherwise PUA is gonna rule the day. I already got women chasing me online because of my script. Never happened just using DMSI.

EDIT: Also, it is literally a race because I'm getting serious about PUA now, and once I have reliable results from PUA I will be dropping subs entirely. UNLESS, of course, the 50% that I am myself starts to get results, then I'll drop PUA. Whatever works is what I'll do. What I mean by that is this: 50% of the time I use a PUA script (so far it's working, but it could be better). 50% of the time I'm just saying whatever the f*ck I feel like (i.e. "Being myself) Whichever method gets me more sex wins.

(10-12-2018, 11:52 AM)lano1106 Wrote:

(10-12-2018, 10:21 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote:

(10-12-2018, 10:04 AM)lano1106 Wrote: Sarge, I'm curious to know if you agree that when they say DMSI will get you success while being yourself implies implicitly that you are going to change.

Most subliminals programs are for changing your behavior to something that you desire. The new person that the program makes you become is now you. (ie: being yourself)

I'm not sure that you can NOT change and get the desired result....

The script is just a training wheel. Once, you fully integrate the underneath principles inside the script, you won't need it anymore. I'm not sure if you have sales experience that relate to that idea. ie: you have been selling something for so long that you know exactly what the script is and it allows you to focus on the people that you are talking to and adjust your delivery accordingly for better result than simply focusing on the script itself..

I'm not sure what you're getting at. In sales I use scripts, I'm not "myself" (tho sometimes I am and I can still sell, but that's because I'm a natural salesman)

To give an example of what I mean:

In sales I learned that if you use a certain tonality you get better results. It's literally night and day. When using that tonality, I am not being myself because I don't normally use it. I can still get sales without it, but I get more with it, it is a technology/technique/trick/manipulation whatever you want to call it. It is not natural for me to talk that way so it is not "me".

Now, over time of course I talk like that more and it has become more "me" to be that way than not, but fact remains it is a technique I consciously decided to use.

Again, not sure what you're getting at but that's what came to mind as a response.

The reason I keep coming back to the "be myself vs. PUA" argument is because people like thor and Ben who hate on PUA so much and say "you can just be yourself". I want to dispel that notion to anyone who is serious about improving with women to show them that no, you DO have toi use techniques and you CANNOT be the way you are because, like you said, you wouldn't get success if you did.

Finally, if DMSI is just a training wheel it is unfortunate because it doesn't provide any direction. I've made more progress with women in the brief moments I used PUA tactics than the years I've used subs.

And so, like I said, I implore Shannon to find a way to make his products superior otherwise PUA is gonna rule the day. I already got women chasing me online because of my script. Never happened just using DMSI.

EDIT: Also, it is literally a race because I'm getting serious about PUA now, and once I have reliable results from PUA I will be dropping subs entirely. UNLESS, of course, the 50% that I am myself starts to get results, then I'll drop PUA. Whatever works is what I'll do. What I mean by that is this: 50% of the time I use a PUA script (so far it's working, but it could be better). 50% of the time I'm just saying whatever the f*ck I feel like (i.e. "Being myself) Whichever method gets me more sex wins.

Sarge, I was talking about PUA being training wheels not DMSI ;-)

seduce while being just you are assume that you change yourself until you become attractive. I suspect that this is one of the thing that DMSI is doing for you under the hood.

Your tonality switch is a good example. This is a technique but if you decide to take the habit of always using that tonality after some time, you would stop to consciously think about talking that way and you would do it naturally. OTOH, you would become a more effective salesman.

I believe that the same can be done with PUA techniques!